WTF is wrong with the GOP leadership in Virginia?

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    First they exclude EVERYONE from the ballot except Romney and Paul. And now they have approved a pledge that people voting in the GOP primary to sign saying they will support the nominee of the GOP.

    Can they not see this biting them in the ass? Talk about blatant interference with the voting process. The loss of candidates could be debated despite the fact that Newt still leads in many national polls, but having people sign a pledge? Voter intimidation anyone?

    Whoever is in charge of the GOP in Virginia should quickly be removed from his position. Period
     
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    Missed the point. Romney sent in 16,000 signatures, Paul about 14,000, the others barely 10,000 so tough nuts when a few get scratched. If the morons can't manage a campaign then go home. Mitt got it done, Newt & Perry flunked. Welcome to the major leagues and not the bullshit league.
     
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    Come on guys. If we are to have any credibility when calling out Holder and the left we need to denounce the BS our side tries to pull when we see it. The silence of each prospective party only encourages this kind of nonsense to continue.
     
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    1. The GOP didn't EXCLUDE anyone. Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman didn't even submit to be on the ballot - they excluded themselves. Perry and Gingrich didn't submit the legally required signatures from qualified voters required under Virginia Law (IIRC Virginia Statute section 24.2-545 "Presidential Primaries") - they excluded themselves.

    2. As to the loyalty oath, that is optional to cast a primary ballot and is up to the discretion of the party leadership (Democratic or GOP) and not a legal requirement. I agree it sounds pretty dumb and if challenged in court I can easily see it as being found unconstitutional under the Virginia Constitution and if not, under the United States Constitution. For those not politically aware, it could be viewed as a form of voter intimidation. The pledge has no legal weight to it, and merely indicates an "intent" to vote for the eventual Republican (or Democrat) candidate. Such "intent" would be measured on the date of signing, since it is an "intent" on that day - and the general election is 8 months later, then over time a persons "intent" can change. In a legal sense there is no legal repercussion and no way to even try to prosecute it. The real "intent" of the pledge is an attempt a voter intimidation because if people are unwilling to sign the pledge the party will then disenfranchise them from voting in the primary. I could see this section of the law being stricken as an infringement on free speech by requiring speech as a condition of voting.


    With that said there are things that I personally disagree with concerning Virginia's election law. I'm fine with the 10,000/400 signature requirement. If a candidate can't finance such a gathering or if they don't a volunteer network willing to gather the signatures I don't see how they will be a serious candidate on the national level. What I disagree with concerning the law is the evaluation of the signature process. Currently that is left up to the individual parties, providing different procedures (i.e. unequal treatment under the law). I would recommend that the law be revised after this election such that signatures are counted by officials of the Commonwealth. Signatuers are gathered and submitted to the State Board of Election and it becomes the responsibility of the SBE to apply consistent rules (laid out in the law) as to the voters qualifications to sign the petition.


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    This thread was mostly about the pledge. I probably should have left the other issue out of it. But seeing as I didn't I will contribute this to it.

    For the office of POTUS the rules should be the same in every state. The outcome of this primary will effect all of us and as such the requirements should be the same in every state.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    You don't get the siggies you don't get on the ballot. Thems da rules. If we don't follow the rules, we are no better than the dems.

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    What's this commie shit about a pledge? Anybody try to get me to sign some horseshit like that and I will make an ass out of myself on the spot.

    and I will not half ass it, I will make the WHOLE ass out of my self.:eek:
     
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    The GOP has always acted as if they commanded the loyalties of their voters because up until now they did.
     
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    I gotta agree. The majority of Va. GOP state leadership are tidewater semi-rinos. They mismanaged popular George Allen's senate campaign so badly that he lost to a liberal who claimed to be a Reagan democrat. Maybe that's what they wanted. Now they have layalty oaths on the brain when radical libs are fighting voter ID.
     
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    Then you may want to contact your Congressional representatives in the House and Senate and suggest a Constitutional Amendment. Currently the United States Constitution (Article I Section 4) specifies that the times, places, and manner for the election of the Congress shall be prescribed by the State Legislatures and not by Congress. The imposition of a national standard by the Federal government would require a change to the Constitution.



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    I just sent in my resignation from the Republican Party of Virginia b/c I have had enough of the RPV's heavy-handed games, tricks and gimmicks to keep control. I got interested in politics as a Tea Partier but believed one needed to work within the 2 party system after seeing what the candidacy of Ross Perot did back in the 90's. 2 years of experience has left me sick at my stomach! The 'pledge' of loyalty without a chance to write-in a candidate put me over the edge.

    Mitt Romney and George Allen have been chosen for us... Anyone who doesn't realize they are being played like a fiddle by the Ruling Class of either party is a fool!
     

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