WTF is a Neocon?

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    I've been thinking about that for a long time. Basically, it's been slung around as a derogatory term for anyone siding with the Republicans. It sounds negative, especially since, with the prefix "Neo," people think "Neo-Nazi." However, a neocon is an otherwise conservative person who believes in big government. George Bush is a neocon. I, however, am not a neocon. So now that we have that out of the way, can we start using that word for what it really means?
     
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    Neoconservatism refers to the political movement, ideology, and public policy goals of "new conservatives" in the United States, who are mainly characterized by their relatively interventionist and hawkish views on foreign policy, and their lack of support for the "small government" principles and restrictions on social spending, when compared with other American conservatives such as traditional or paleoconservatives.

    In the context of U.S. foreign policy, neoconservative has another, narrower definition: one who advocates the use of military force, unilaterally if necessary, to replace autocratic regimes with democratic ones. This view competes with liberal internationalism, realism, and non-interventionism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative
     
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    Agreed, often more liberal on social/moral issues. Many were Democrats that had always been stronger on defense than the party, thus 'new' conservatives.
     
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    Then there's the whole JEW issue. Many feel neocons have put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the u.s. I disagree with this. I see the interests of the US and Israel to be allied on the points regarding security in the middle east.
     
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    A "Reagan Democrat" would be a good example of a neocon.

    I think it's use as a derogatory term probably comes from the fact that a lot of people didn't know what it meant. It was most likely used by someone in an editorial and picked up by people who wanted to sling it around as a counter. The word Liberal had pretty much become a dirty word starting with the '88 campaign, and some thought they finally had something to use.
     
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    Im not certain that BIG GOVERNMENT is a real plank of any neocon agenda. It's just the usual corruption that comes with power.
     
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    the only person I ever met that called themselves a neocon was Jewish
    and ran around in a Israeli Defense Forces T-shirt. He supported the war on
    terror but didnt care about abortion and works for the conservatives here
    in the state legislature in Idaho. He didnt feel neocon was an insult obbiously.
     
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    You're not the only one.

    Here's a thoughtful treatment of the Jewish motivations of "neocons":

    http://www.vdare.com/misc/macdonald_neoconservatism.htm

    Neocons are hawkish on foreign policy because they want Israel's interests advanced. They are for big government and liberalism on social issues because they never were conservatives and never cared for that anyway. In fact, many neocons trace their lineage to the socialist/Jewish intellectual scene in New York City back in the 50's, which was hardly "conservative." But many of these once-socialist Jews became disenchanted with socialist governments when they became friendly to Arab governments in the years between the 50's and the 70's.

    If someone wants to advance Israel's interests, OK, BUT --- don't do it on my dime, don't tell me that "we" are fighting a "war on terror," and don't you fucking dare send American soliders to die in the sands of the Middle East in the name of "spreading democracy" and wrap yourself in the American flag when the only flag you care about has a six-pointed star.
     
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    THe tax cuts are conservative. Health Savings Accounts are conservative. WE also have an interest in fighting islamofascism. Get a new routine.
     
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    I figure instead of worrying about NeoCon (it was first coined in the 80s and they were people who left the Dem Party because of Reagan.). Just take a page from them and call them NeoProgs...
     

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