WT? Is this what we pay these democrats for! (idiots)

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    Democrats ready for unofficial wiretap hearings Friday
    RAW STORY
    Published: January 18, 2006

    House Democrats, led by liberal Michigan Congressmen John Conyers, will hold unofficial hearings on the legality of President Bush's warantless wiretap programs Friday, and have added additional witnesses and congressmembers to their retinue, RAW STORY can report.

    Democrats are holding the hearings, they say, because a request for hearings from the Republican-led Judiciary Committee have fallen on deaf ears. In the Senate, Republican Judiciary chairman Arlen Specter (R-PA) has said he will hold formal hearings to examine the ramifications of the taps.

    A spokesman for the Republican-led Judiciary Committee declined to comment; he said that because the House was in recess nothing was currently planned.yea, under his breath he say's let them make a fool out of themselves.

    At least seven Democratic members are scheduled to attend the hearings: Reps. John Conyers, Jr., Bobby Scott, Chris Van Hollen, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerrold Nadler and Maurice Hinchey.

    Among the more prominent witnesses include Bruce Fein, an Associate Deputy Attorney General under President Ronald Reagan, and James Bamford, an intelligence expert who has revealed details about the NSA spying project.

    Also attending: George Washington Law School Professor Jonathan Turley, the American Civil Liberties Union's Washington Legislative Director Caroline Frederickson, Director of the Center for National Security Studies Kate Martin, and the Truth Project's Richard Hersh.

    "Last month all 17 House Judiciary Democrats called on Chairman Sensenbrenner to convene hearings to investigate the President's use of the National Security Agency to conduct surveillance involving U.S. citizens on U.S. soil," Conyers said in a statement. "As our request has since been ignored, it is our job, as Members of Congress, to review the program and consider whether our criminal laws have been violated and our citizen's constitutional rights trampled upon.

    He added: "We simply cannot tolerate a situation where the Administration is operating as prosecutor, judge and jury and excluding Congress and the courts from providing any meaningful check or balance to the process."

    The hearings are open to the public and will be held Friday, Jan. 20 at 11:00am in room B339 at the Rayburn House Office Building in Washington.
    There taking their lead from the DUunderground. Oh goody. :laugh: :laugh:
    http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrats_ready_for_unofficial_wiretap_hearings_0118.html
     
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    They’ve been reduced to playing “Lets Pretend”.
    Coming soon, “Lets Pretend” we’re holding impeachment hearings.
     
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    Bet money the Dems and other lefty's act as if these are official hearings and treat them as gospel. Matter of fact, with their "Bush is guilty first never mind the facts mentality," the only point i can see to this the poltical circus they can create.
     
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    Yes, it's exactly what we pay these people to do. It's the congress' job to perform executive branch oversight. That the GOP has all but abandoned this responsibility when a party member is in the WH is a bad thing. A very bad thing. ESPECIALLY in a time of war.
     
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    Could you possibly point out where in the Constitution Congress has oversight of the Executive Branch? You see whenever I read it I get the idea that the legislative and executive areas of government are separate and equal branches of government. How does an equal have oversight?
     
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    You are joking, of course.

    Right?

    Seperate and equal by it's very structure forces oversight. The division of power is the underpinning of democracy. I can't believe you would sincerely question the existance of an oversight role of any of the branches of government over the other.

    If you really aren't joking, start here for a general overview...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States#Legislative_branch
    The Congress has the responsibility to monitor and influence aspects of the executive branch. Congressional oversight prevents waste and fraud, protects civil liberties and individual rights, ensures executive compliance with the law, gathers information for making laws and educating the public, and evaluates executive performance. It applies to cabinet departments, executive agencies, regulatory commissions, and the presidency. Congress's oversight function takes many forms:

    Committee inquiries and hearings;
    • Formal consultations with and reports from the President;
    • Senate advice and consent for presidential nominations and for treaties;
    • House impeachment proceedings and subsequent Senate trials;
    • House and Senate proceedings under the 25th Amendment in the event that the President becomes disabled, or the office of the Vice President falls vacant;
    • Informal meetings between legislators and executive officials;
    • Congressional membership on governmental commissions;
    • Studies by congressional committees and support agencies such as the
    • Congressional Budget Office, and the Government Accountability Office, both of which are arms of Congress.


    Also read:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary-and-proper_clause
    To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.​

    And:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
    Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. ​
     
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    The operative word being unreasonable. It is not unreasonable to seek out information of possible intelligence value to thwart the plans of those who would do harm to American citizens.
     
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    Because he's Bush and a Republican. Now if it was Clinton and the evil Republican Congress, they were meddling in his affairs (literally :laugh: ) and usurping his authority as Chief Executive.
     
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    Nice! Just ignore whatever language gets in the way of successfully scoring (or deflecting in this case) a political point?

    "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched"
     

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