Wrest education from the Liberals....

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....who've ruined it!

1. Capitalism protects individual liberty at a fundamental level. It is a free market system in which each of us chooses the purpose and rewards of our labor, and determines his own best vocation.

2. Conservative proposals for education include private school vouchers, charter schools, high-stakes testing, No Child Left Behind, high mandatory standards, moral education and proposals for educating religious students in secular public schools. A close inspection will reveal the thread of capitalism running through all of the proposals, the free market of resources and ideas.





3. The current system is rife with a lack of choice for parents, and the lack of accountability for schools and for teachers. And, provably, a lack of learning by students.

4. The one aspect of capitalism is the funding, meaning that they receive funding based on the average attendance. This is the argument against vouchers: if a student leaves, the school receives less in funding.

a. Proponents of performance-based funding recognize this reallocation from a poorly performing school to a thriving one as a good thing!

b. Voucher programs across the country aer consistenly oversubscribed, as parents are eager to gain this choice for their children. The message is clear.

5. Schools should not only compete on educational quality, but also on content. Parents who wish to send their children to religious schools or to ensure that their children are taught certain moral values, should also have choices in the educational system. Parochial schools should be on an equal footing with secular schools in term of access to resources- and, in fact, secular schools themselves should not be forced to adopt the moral values of bureaucrats simply because someone in Washington thinks that a belief that God created the world is quaint.

a. The price for being poor should not be a mandatory abandonment of one's family values once a child sets foot outside her home.





6. Rejection of accountability has led to many of the injustices inherent in our current system, including a persistent racial achievement gap. Accountability in education begins and ends with standards! And this refers to both student teacher performance. Standards ensure that student learn to read, to write, to do math, and to understand our national history.

7. Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances. In the same way, federalism should inform our educational policy.

a. States must be allowed both to identify standards, and to determine for themselves the pace of progress toward higher standards.





8. Capitalist principles can help us overhaul our education system at the systemic level, but capitalist incentives at the level of the individual student have also met with success. "At the end of every five-week marking period, Green for Grades participants can earn $50 for every A, $35 for every B, and $20 for each C they receive in English, math, science, social studies, and physical education." Giving Students Cash for Grades - US News and World Report

a. The opposite approach is to deemphasize quantitative, competitive grading scale. This is what has been done for decades. The result is evident.
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right," p. 163-173.


Capitalism, federalism, and accountability......the very antithesis of Liberalism.
 
while I agree that some sort of capitalist influence would be good for schools, the unfortunate reality is that neighbourhoods need schools with a stability that can only come from public financing.

I hope this does not get taken as misogynistic but one important factor in the decline in schools has been the opening up of more prestigious and well paying jobs for smart and competent women who in the past became teachers almost by default.
 
Yes, let private corporations write propaganda textbooks, rewrite history to their world view like they are doing in Texas and Louisiana and raise another generation of ignorant, apathetic, materialistic and shallow "consumers" with not-so-subliminal marketing. That'll work really well. Morons.
 
Yes, let private corporations write propaganda textbooks, rewrite history to their world view like they are doing in Texas and Louisiana and raise another generation of ignorant, apathetic, materialistic and shallow "consumers" with not-so-subliminal marketing. That'll work really well. Morons.



Every pejorative you've used applies to the public-government education system.

And you,of course, as the poster child of same.
 
Richard Feynman was asked to be an auditor of science texbook quality back in the 80's. when he made a lot of commonsense suggestions he was politely ignored and not invited back. there is too much money to be made.
 
Richard Feynman was asked to be an auditor of science texbook quality back in the 80's. when he made a lot of commonsense suggestions he was politely ignored and not invited back. there is too much money to be made.

You're way off target on this one. Leftists control curriculum to the detriment of this nation.

Here's a primer:

1. During the 1990’s, the American “peoples” found their way into academic standards and curricula. The NY State social studies curriculum was called “One Nation, Many Peoples: A Declaration of Cultural Interdependence.”

a. Before the Left took over the Democrat Party, even liberals understood and objected. Arthur Schlesinger, jr.:” The attack on the common American identity is the culmination of the cult of ethnicity. That attack was mounted in the first instance by European Americans of non-British origin (“unmeltable ethnics”) against the British foundations of American culture; then, latterly and massively, by Americans of non-European origin against the European foundations of that culture.” Untitled Document


2. The indoctrination by ‘educators’ was intensified via the National History Standards. The document, supposed to examine what was most important for students to learn about America did not mention Daniel Webster, Robert E. Lee, Thomas Edison, or Albert Einstein.

a. “The federally funded “National History Standards” for elementary schools were released in 1994, cemented a revisionist view of American Communism for schoolteachers, as the guide mentions McCarthy over twenty times, while Edison and the Wright Brothers got no mention. “It …repeatedly condemns McCarthyism as an unmitigated evil…[but] the Hiss-Chambers and Rosenberg cases, the two dominant controversies of the anticommunist era, are described with bland, neutral language crafted to keep from implying guilt while not being quite so foolhardy as to actually assert innocence..’National Standards’…implies that the cases are part and parcel of the McCartyite horror.” From “In Denial,” by Haynes and Klehr, pg. 151

b. Issues of race, ethnicity and gender were emphasized nearly three times as much as political liberty and democracy.

c. In fact, the term “Left” refers to the values associated with the Western welfare state, secularism, and the vast array of attitudes and positions identified as Left from Karl Marx to contemporary socialist democrat parties and today’s Democratic Party in the United States. The Left-wing ‘trinity’ is race, gender, class. Prager, Op.Cit.



3. The multicultural project and the National History Standards were major ideological assaults on our nation’s mission. Besides an emphasis on group consciousness over individual citizenship, and on ethnic subcultures over national identity, the standards described the Cold War in terms of moral equivalence (e.g., the “sword play of the US and the USSR”) and actually reversed our history (“Americans believed in the perfectibility of man”). They rejected, and indoctrinated our children in beliefs inimical to the design of our nation. Where was the belief and emphasis on equality of individual citizenship, strong American identity, anticommunism, and they faith of the Fathers of our Nation?

4. Substituted was the progressive utopianism of the Soviet-leaning Vice-President Henry Wallace. No wonder sentient Liberals such as Arthur Schlesinger, jr. launched vigorous attacks on multiculturalism in his book “The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society.”
Fonte, “Sovereignty of Submission,” p.79


5. 'At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.
This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.

a. Freire isn’t interested in the Western tradition’s leading education thinkers—not Rousseau, not Piaget, not John Dewey, not Horace Mann, not Maria Montessori. He cites a rather different set of figures: Marx, Lenin, Mao, Che Guevara, and Fidel Castro, as well as the radical intellectuals Frantz Fanon, Régis Debray, Herbert Marcuse, Jean-Paul Sartre, Louis Althusser, and Georg Lukács. And no wonder, since Freire’s main idea is that the central contradiction of every society is between the “oppressors” and the “oppressed” and that revolution should resolve their conflict. The “oppressed” are, moreover, destined to develop a “pedagogy” that leads them to their own liberation.'
Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern, City Journal Spring 2009
 
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The Federal and state governments set requirements and of course in many school district the school administration and the school boards set the curriculum. So we're talking about locally elected officials and the people they hire have a great influence with the set curriculum. Teachers do have a say however.
 
The Federal and state governments set requirements and of course in many school district the school administration and the school boards set the curriculum. So we're talking about locally elected officials and the people they hire have a great influence with the set curriculum. Teachers do have a say however.

Imagine how different the world would look to you if you actually knew anything about the subject.


Revisionist views are found, for example, in the work of Ellen Wolf Schrecker, Ph.D., a professor of American history at Yeshiva University, who states “ whatever threat to the United States such espionage [by US citizens working for Soviet intelligence] may have posed, it was gone by the time the main justification for the McCarthy-era purges.” The revisionists claim that the greater sin was not the betrayal of the country by American Communists, but anticommunists using that betrayal as “a rationalization for the most widespread and the longest-lasting episode of political repression in our nation’s history.”

Once you understand that standards for national curricula stem from the work of folks like Schrecker, you'll begin to realize the depth of your indoctrination.


Here's a suggestion.....do a little research.
 
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Capitalism is an abstraction it does not protect a damn thing.

Before 1900 "planned obsolescence" on a significant scale was not possible because the technology was not productive enough. Now we can wreck the planet for all practical purposes and people want to keep blathering about capitalism.

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The Federal and state governments set requirements and of course in many school district the school administration and the school boards set the curriculum. So we're talking about locally elected officials and the people they hire have a great influence with the set curriculum. Teachers do have a say however.

Imagine how different the world would look to you if you actually knew anything about the subject.


Revisionist views are found, for example, in the work of Ellen Wolf Schrecker, Ph.D., a professor of American history at Yeshiva University, who states “ whatever threat to the United States such espionage [by US citizens working for Soviet intelligence] may have posed, it was gone by the time the main justification for the McCarthy-era purges.” The revisionists claim that the greater sin was not the betrayal of the country by American Communists, but anticommunists using that betrayal as “a rationalization for the most widespread and the longest-lasting episode of political repression in our nation’s history.”

Once you understand that standards for national curricula stem from the work of folks like Schrecker, you'll begin to realize the depth of your indoctrination.


Here's a suggestion.....do a little research.

The American School/The Forces That Shape Curricula
The American School/The Forces That Shape Curricula - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

Standards & Curriculum Overview
EdSource | Standards & Curriculum Overview

My first wife was also a school board member of a large school district for 10 years. Not listening to her was not a reason we got divorced! :cool:
 
....who've ruined it!

1. Capitalism protects individual liberty at a fundamental level. It is a free market system in which each of us chooses the purpose and rewards of our labor, and determines his own best vocation.

2. Conservative proposals for education include private school vouchers, charter schools, high-stakes testing, No Child Left Behind, high mandatory standards, moral education and proposals for educating religious students in secular public schools. A close inspection will reveal the thread of capitalism running through all of the proposals, the free market of resources and ideas.





3. The current system is rife with a lack of choice for parents, and the lack of accountability for schools and for teachers. And, provably, a lack of learning by students.

4. The one aspect of capitalism is the funding, meaning that they receive funding based on the average attendance. This is the argument against vouchers: if a student leaves, the school receives less in funding.

a. Proponents of performance-based funding recognize this reallocation from a poorly performing school to a thriving one as a good thing!

b. Voucher programs across the country aer consistenly oversubscribed, as parents are eager to gain this choice for their children. The message is clear.

5. Schools should not only compete on educational quality, but also on content. Parents who wish to send their children to religious schools or to ensure that their children are taught certain moral values, should also have choices in the educational system. Parochial schools should be on an equal footing with secular schools in term of access to resources- and, in fact, secular schools themselves should not be forced to adopt the moral values of bureaucrats simply because someone in Washington thinks that a belief that God created the world is quaint.

a. The price for being poor should not be a mandatory abandonment of one's family values once a child sets foot outside her home.





6. Rejection of accountability has led to many of the injustices inherent in our current system, including a persistent racial achievement gap. Accountability in education begins and ends with standards! And this refers to both student teacher performance. Standards ensure that student learn to read, to write, to do math, and to understand our national history.

7. Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances. In the same way, federalism should inform our educational policy.

a. States must be allowed both to identify standards, and to determine for themselves the pace of progress toward higher standards.





8. Capitalist principles can help us overhaul our education system at the systemic level, but capitalist incentives at the level of the individual student have also met with success. "At the end of every five-week marking period, Green for Grades participants can earn $50 for every A, $35 for every B, and $20 for each C they receive in English, math, science, social studies, and physical education." Giving Students Cash for Grades - US News and World Report

a. The opposite approach is to deemphasize quantitative, competitive grading scale. This is what has been done for decades. The result is evident.
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right," p. 163-173.


Capitalism, federalism, and accountability......the very antithesis of Liberalism.

How are you going to wrest education from the 'liberals' when there are so few educated 'Conservatives'? When we had the likes of Buckley, we had real conservative intellectuals. Today, we have the Teabaggers delighting in displaying how willfully ignorant they are on every subject. And they are presently running the GOP and the conservative movement, much to the disgust of educated conservatives. The 'Conservatives', like you, PC, have made the American conservatives the laughing stock of politics the world over, as well as in this nation.
 
....who've ruined it!

1. Capitalism protects individual liberty at a fundamental level. It is a free market system in which each of us chooses the purpose and rewards of our labor, and determines his own best vocation.

2. Conservative proposals for education include private school vouchers, charter schools, high-stakes testing, No Child Left Behind, high mandatory standards, moral education and proposals for educating religious students in secular public schools. A close inspection will reveal the thread of capitalism running through all of the proposals, the free market of resources and ideas.





3. The current system is rife with a lack of choice for parents, and the lack of accountability for schools and for teachers. And, provably, a lack of learning by students.

4. The one aspect of capitalism is the funding, meaning that they receive funding based on the average attendance. This is the argument against vouchers: if a student leaves, the school receives less in funding.

a. Proponents of performance-based funding recognize this reallocation from a poorly performing school to a thriving one as a good thing!

b. Voucher programs across the country aer consistenly oversubscribed, as parents are eager to gain this choice for their children. The message is clear.

5. Schools should not only compete on educational quality, but also on content. Parents who wish to send their children to religious schools or to ensure that their children are taught certain moral values, should also have choices in the educational system. Parochial schools should be on an equal footing with secular schools in term of access to resources- and, in fact, secular schools themselves should not be forced to adopt the moral values of bureaucrats simply because someone in Washington thinks that a belief that God created the world is quaint.

a. The price for being poor should not be a mandatory abandonment of one's family values once a child sets foot outside her home.





6. Rejection of accountability has led to many of the injustices inherent in our current system, including a persistent racial achievement gap. Accountability in education begins and ends with standards! And this refers to both student teacher performance. Standards ensure that student learn to read, to write, to do math, and to understand our national history.

7. Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances. In the same way, federalism should inform our educational policy.

a. States must be allowed both to identify standards, and to determine for themselves the pace of progress toward higher standards.





8. Capitalist principles can help us overhaul our education system at the systemic level, but capitalist incentives at the level of the individual student have also met with success. "At the end of every five-week marking period, Green for Grades participants can earn $50 for every A, $35 for every B, and $20 for each C they receive in English, math, science, social studies, and physical education." Giving Students Cash for Grades - US News and World Report

a. The opposite approach is to deemphasize quantitative, competitive grading scale. This is what has been done for decades. The result is evident.
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right," p. 163-173.


Capitalism, federalism, and accountability......the very antithesis of Liberalism.

How are you going to wrest education from the 'liberals' when there are so few educated 'Conservatives'? When we had the likes of Buckley, we had real conservative intellectuals. Today, we have the Teabaggers delighting in displaying how willfully ignorant they are on every subject. And they are presently running the GOP and the conservative movement, much to the disgust of educated conservatives. The 'Conservatives', like you, PC, have made the American conservatives the laughing stock of politics the world over, as well as in this nation.


Poor Rocks....


Obviously you aren't able to differentiate between those intellectuals who are educated....and those folks with whom you disagree....i.e., conservatives.


We are educated.

We are intelligent.

We have the facts.


The proof is that you rely on ad hominem, and can't win it the marketplace of ideas.
Notice, you weren't able to discuss the OP....only me.

In truth, there hardly anything I like more than discussing me.....especially when it skewers your post.
 
A liberal education is anathema to the right wing followers of capitalism. Reasoning has no place for believers. It is curious how simple life is for PC, blame liberals - the liberal as she sees this bogeyman is the cause of just about anything at all she finds wrong. These libs are sure a powerful bunch, one wonders why they haven't converted her or maybe her beliefs are so set in stone no other thought enters?

I just started this book and already one sees the complexity of issues the right finds so simple. Ideas change meanings, check it out.

"So traditionalists end up defending that ceaseless engine for change, capitalism. They portray the free market as spontaneous. giving a chance to the amateur inventor or aspiring amateur, when it imposes specialization and rewards expertise. They think of it as provincial, enriching a locale or the nation, when it is cosmopolitan, going wherever profit takes it. Thus big government and big business. which are partners more often than foes. are seen through distorting lenses, with preachers like Pat Robertson damning the former as heartily as they praise the latter. These confusions are not the result of rigorous analysis but of the tendency of the anti-governmental values to cling together-take one and you are likely to end up with most or all of them. Or so I hope to demonstrate. using a wide variety of examples of the phenomenon." Garry Wills, Intro 'A Necessary Evil'

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Necessary-Evil-American-Distrust-Government/dp/0684870266/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8]A Necessary Evil: A History of American Distrust of Government: Garry Wills: 9780684870267: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]
 
A liberal education is anathema to the right wing followers of capitalism. Reasoning has no place for believers. It is curious how simple life is for PC, blame liberals - the liberal as she sees this bogeyman is the cause of just about anything at all she finds wrong. These libs are sure a powerful bunch, one wonders why they haven't converted her or maybe her beliefs are so set in stone no other thought enters?

I just started this book and already one sees the complexity of issues the right finds so simple. Ideas change meanings, check it out.

"So traditionalists end up defending that ceaseless engine for change, capitalism. They portray the free market as spontaneous. giving a chance to the amateur inventor or aspiring amateur, when it imposes specialization and rewards expertise. They think of it as provincial, enriching a locale or the nation, when it is cosmopolitan, going wherever profit takes it. Thus big government and big business. which are partners more often than foes. are seen through distorting lenses, with preachers like Pat Robertson damning the former as heartily as they praise the latter. These confusions are not the result of rigorous analysis but of the tendency of the anti-governmental values to cling together-take one and you are likely to end up with most or all of them. Or so I hope to demonstrate. using a wide variety of examples of the phenomenon." Garry Wills, Intro 'A Necessary Evil'

A Necessary Evil: A History of American Distrust of Government: Garry Wills: 9780684870267: Amazon.com: Books


Actually, I favor a liberal arts education....

...it's when it is put in the hands of the socialists that John Dewey re-branded as "Liberals" that the whole thing falls apart.
 
why not just try to educate yourself OP instead of reading only right wing crap?
 

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