Would you vote for a liberal?

[Douger]

Serious question.

Would you vote for a liberal for President?

NO.
But if Bernie Sanders ran I damn sure would( If I could---I can no longer vote). He's sorta an un-admitted socialist.......not to be confused with the liberals(idiots).

 

[Harry Dresden]

Serious question.

Would you vote for a liberal for President?

depends on who and depends on who they're running against

and their views on the issues of the day.....i voted for Clinton twice.....

 

[The T]

What is your objection to the phrase "classical liberal" Jillian?

A classical liberal is one who historically has wanted limited government interference in ones' lives. The term "liberal" has evolved over time, but I think it is perfectly consistent for one to call themselves a "classical liberal" if they believe in limited government power.

She objects to reality. The term "classic liberal" is an indictment of modern liberalism, which bares no resemblance to the liberalism the Founding Fathers believed in.

Precisely. Root word liberty.

 

[jillian]

I'm torn on this one.

In Canada or the UK, where I've lived, there is no damn way I'd vote for a leftist. (The term "liberal" is different there than here.) But in America, I might. But that's probably just a reaction against too many people who believe in The Rapture or that Obama "might be" Satan on the Right than any real agreement with the American Left.

that's a problem for me, too. it's the reason i'd chew off my arm before i'd vote for someone who is beholden to those people.

a normal conservative? that wouldn't offend me.

 

[jillian]

What is your objection to the phrase "classical liberal" Jillian?

A classical liberal is one who historically has wanted limited government interference in ones' lives. The term "liberal" has evolved over time, but I think it is perfectly consistent for one to call themselves a "classical liberal" if they believe in limited government power.

She objects to reality. The term "classic liberal" is an indictment of modern liberalism, which bares no resemblance to the liberalism the Founding Fathers believed in.

i'm sorry... is your name, jillian?

 

[The T]

I'm torn on this one.

In Canada or the UK, where I've lived, there is no damn way I'd vote for a leftist. (The term "liberal" is different there than here.) But in America, I might. But that's probably just a reaction against too many people who believe in The Rapture or that Obama "might be" Satan on the Right than any real agreement with the American Left.

that's a problem for me, too. it's the reason i'd chew off my arm before i'd vote for someone who is beholden to those people.

a normal conservative? that wouldn't offend me.

That would portend you knew what a Modern Conservative was, no? And what is a NORMAL CONSERVATIVE? Will this be twisting of the meanings of words?

 

[jillian]

Serious question.

Would you vote for a liberal for President?

depends on who and depends on who they're running against

and their views on the issues of the day.....i voted for Clinton twice.....

exactly.

and you know, i would have voted for mccain in 2000. mccain in 2008 was nauseating.

 

[jillian]

I'm torn on this one.

In Canada or the UK, where I've lived, there is no damn way I'd vote for a leftist. (The term "liberal" is different there than here.) But in America, I might. But that's probably just a reaction against too many people who believe in The Rapture or that Obama "might be" Satan on the Right than any real agreement with the American Left.

that's a problem for me, too. it's the reason i'd chew off my arm before i'd vote for someone who is beholden to those people.

a normal conservative? that wouldn't offend me.

That would portend you knew what a Modern Conservative was, no? And what is a NORMAL CONSERVATIVE? Will this be twisting of the meanings of words?

well, tommy. YOU aren't a normal conservative. you can extrapolate out from there.

 

[GoneBezerk]

That simpleton liberal is the typical uneducated twit found on the left. If she didn't hear about something on msnbc or read it on the McDonalds bathroom wall, then it's not true.

there isn't any such thing as "classical liberal". made up nonsense by rightwingnuts

Ignorance is no excuse:

Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.[1][2]

Classical liberalism developed in the 19th century in Europe and the United States. Although classical liberalism built on ideas that had already developed by the end of the 18th century, it advocated a specific kind of society, government and public policy required as a result of the Industrial Revolution and urbanization.[3] Notable individuals who have contributed to classical liberalism include Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus and David Ricardo.[4] It drew on the economics of Adam Smith, a psychological understanding of individual liberty, natural law and utilitarianism, and a belief in progress. Classical liberals established political parties that were called "liberal", although in the United States classical liberalism came to dominate both existing major political parties.[1] There was a revival of interest in classical liberalism in the 20th century led by Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman.[5]

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Harry Dresden]

Serious question.

Would you vote for a liberal for President?

NO.
But if Bernie Sanders ran I damn sure would( If I could---I can no longer vote). He's sorta an un-admitted socialist.......not to be confused with the liberals(idiots).

thats the key dipshit......you can no longer vote.....you ran like a pussy after 9/11 so you dont matter anymore.....and Liberals are no where near the Idiocy that you show.....go pick up some shit your rents due hairball.....

 

[jillian]

That simpleton liberal is the typical uneducated twit found on the left. If she didn't hear about something on msnbc or read it on the McDonalds bathroom wall, then it's not true.

man, i love you uneducated braindead rightwingnuts. you make me feel so validated.

next time you try to wash my windshield as we're getting on the FDR drive, i'll be sure to toss you some change just for the amusement factor.

 

[Oddball]

Serious question.

Would you vote for a liberal for President?

NO.
But if Bernie Sanders ran I damn sure would( If I could---I can no longer vote). He's sorta an un-admitted socialist.......not to be confused with the liberals(idiots).

No, he's a totally admitted socialist.

The white-haired candidate for the United States Senate lies propped on his elbows on top of a too-old bed in a nondescript motel awaiting yet another debate with a conservative opponent for whom he's developing a deep-seated dislike. He squints at you and hikes his eyebrows and shrugs.

He knows what the corporate media might do with his answer, but whatever . . . "Yeah. I wouldn't deny it. Not for one second. I'm a democratic socialist."

Exceedingly Social, But Doesn't Like Parties

And he totally caucuses and votes 95+% with democratics....That oughtta tell you something about today's alleged "liberals".

 

[Toro]

apologies, toro, for the derail... i can't stand the phrase "classical liberal" which the righties like to toss around.

i'll bow out now.

What is your objection to the phrase "classical liberal" Jillian?

A classical liberal is one who historically has wanted limited government interference in ones' lives. The term "liberal" has evolved over time, but I think it is perfectly consistent for one to call themselves a "classical liberal" if they believe in limited government power.

well, i didn't want to derail your thread. but thanks for inviting my comments.

the term classic liberal is made up". it is what some people say now, but that isn't true. it's simply a means of vitiating liberal accomplishments. liberalism is simply what it always has been in most instances. the new deal was liberal. certainly no one would say the new deal was a 'small government' program. the EPA was liberal. certainly no one would say that is a small government program. OSHA is liberal. the great society program was liberal. anti-discrimination laws were liberal. desegregation was liberal.

none of those things were "small government".

the founders weren't "liberal". they were radical. they overthrew a government and would have been killed as traitors had they failed. but they were of their age... aristocrats who denied women the vote and who kept slaves. but unlike the people today who read the constitution as if it were a fundamentalist's bible, they understood that they couldn't foresee the future. had they truly believed in small government, there would be no general welfare clause; there would be no commerce clause. they knew government would grow into what the people needed.

what they did had nothing to do with "small government". that is a fallacy in the same vein as people who think they're "constitutionalists" while not understanding anything about constitutional construction.

liberal means that you want to advance society. conservatism means you want to keep change from happening. today's conservatives are reactionaries who want to return to the status quo ante which existed before those liberal advancements like anti-discrimination laws and social security.

thanks for indulging me on this.

The term "liberal" comes from the word "liberty." The original liberals were those who argued against the absolutism of government power, and that man had natural rights which absolved him (and her) from being ruled by kings. Liberal philosophers such as Locke and liberal political economists such as Adam Smith and David Ricardo championed ideas of individual liberty and limited government power over people's lives. That's why people call themselves "classical liberal."

The terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been co-opted over time. "Conservatives" were not liberals in the classical sense. Conservatives as understood in the past were those who wanted to "conserve" society, and often the power structures of the monarchy or ruling classes. This is why in Europe, conservative parties and movements are often associated with the monarchy.

In America, the term "conservative" can mean conserving the original intent of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution, which was a fairly liberal document in the classical sense in that it imbues rights and makes the individual sovereign. But "conservative" in America also means those wishing to conserve society, as it does in older societies. This is especially true in the South, where conservation of the white power structure and the suppression of blacks by government force was seen as necessary to keep the social order. This is why there is relatively greater emphasis on law and order issues in the South than in other parts of the country.

Modern liberals also believe in liberty, but in other ways from the intent originally articulated by Locke, Smith, et. al., i.e. liberty from hunger or discrimination, etc., whereby government power is used to "liberate" the individual from the hardships of life. This is why modern liberals espouse issues such as government involvement in health care and affirmative action laws.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbfuck, the term classic liberalism has been taught in college classrooms before your parents had some science experiment with you.

Of course, you didn't attend college so you just go around the internet talking out your ass.

I'm sure you have great knowledge about welfare benefits, etc.

Shut the hell up, idiot.

That simpleton liberal is the typical uneducated twit found on the left. If she didn't hear about something on msnbc or read it on the McDonalds bathroom wall, then it's not true.

man, i love you uneducated braindead rightwingnuts. you make me feel so validated.

next time you try to wash my windshield as we're getting on the FDR drive, i'll be sure to toss you some change just for the amusement factor.

 

[del]

I suppose it's possible. But I went ahead and chose 'no' because it is so unlikely.

I didn't vote due to lack of Other: Explain option.

Better luck on the next poll I won't answer OP...

what a tremendous loss

 

[DiamondDave]

I would vote for a Democrat who more closely matched my ideals or my stances.... but since that is impossible with a liberal or progressive... I will safely say that I will never vote for a liberal

 

[GoneBezerk]

Uh, what?

 

[Toro]

Dumbfuck, the term classic liberalism has been taught in college classrooms before your parents had some science experiment with you.

Of course, you didn't attend college so you just go around the internet talking out your ass.

I'm sure you have great knowledge about welfare benefits, etc.

Shut the hell up, idiot.

That simpleton liberal is the typical uneducated twit found on the left. If she didn't hear about something on msnbc or read it on the McDonalds bathroom wall, then it's not true.

man, i love you uneducated braindead rightwingnuts. you make me feel so validated.

next time you try to wash my windshield as we're getting on the FDR drive, i'll be sure to toss you some change just for the amusement factor.

I disagree with Jillian on this one, but she's a lawyer.

So your presumptions are not wise.

 

[del]

Dumbfuck, the term classic liberalism has been taught in college classrooms before your parents had some science experiment with you.

Of course, you didn't attend college so you just go around the internet talking out your ass.

I'm sure you have great knowledge about welfare benefits, etc.

Shut the hell up, idiot.

That simpleton liberal is the typical uneducated twit found on the left. If she didn't hear about something on msnbc or read it on the McDonalds bathroom wall, then it's not true.

man, i love you uneducated braindead rightwingnuts. you make me feel so validated.

next time you try to wash my windshield as we're getting on the FDR drive, i'll be sure to toss you some change just for the amusement factor.

good advice.

take it.

fucknugget

 

[bripat9643]

She objects to reality. The term "classic liberal" is an indictment of modern liberalism, which bares no resemblance to the liberalism the Founding Fathers believed in.

i'm sorry... is your name, jillian?

No, and it's not "dingbat" either.

One thing I have to say about your posts, Jill honey: you can't buy better entertainment!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!