would you support police/natl guard on corners of overly violent neighborhoods?

[blu]

hyperbole and wishful thinking comprise, what, 80 - 90% of your position?

nothing in that post is hyperbole or wishful thinking

yes, blu, outside of libertarian statistic land, nobody goes to jail for a dime-bag, and killings of your 'innocent' drug-punter pale to the killings in the grander scheme of the industry. in the real world said killings are taken into account when determining the destructiveness of other drugs when compared to alcohol. 95%

ummm are you kidding? even possession of small amounts of weed is a felony in many states

 

[antagon]

nothing in that post is hyperbole or wishful thinking

yes, blu, outside of libertarian statistic land, nobody goes to jail for a dime-bag, and killings of your 'innocent' drug-punter pale to the killings in the grander scheme of the industry. in the real world said killings are taken into account when determining the destructiveness of other drugs when compared to alcohol. 95%

ummm are you kidding? even possession of small amounts of weed is a felony in many states

no kidding, captain. your dime-bag felony convictions, like your neg-rep, are so utterly, blindingly, rediculously rare, if material at all, that they're lost amid the sea of real concerns like delinquency crime and violence.

maybe you could neg-rep state legislatures until they decriminalize herb... or neg-rep the dude on your corner murdering dub-sackers.

 

[blu]

yes, blu, outside of libertarian statistic land, nobody goes to jail for a dime-bag, and killings of your 'innocent' drug-punter pale to the killings in the grander scheme of the industry. in the real world said killings are taken into account when determining the destructiveness of other drugs when compared to alcohol. 95%

ummm are you kidding? even possession of small amounts of weed is a felony in many states

no kidding, captain. your dime-bag felony convictions, like your neg-rep, are so utterly, blindingly, rediculously rare, if material at all, that they're lost amid the sea of real concerns like delinquency crime and violence.

maybe you could neg-rep state legislatures until they decriminalize herb... or neg-rep the dude on your corner murdering dub-sackers.

if you didn't say stupid shit like this you wouldn't get neg repped. more people are in jail for minor drug convictions than all other crimes put together.

 

[antagon]

ummm are you kidding? even possession of small amounts of weed is a felony in many states

no kidding, captain. your dime-bag felony convictions, like your neg-rep, are so utterly, blindingly, rediculously rare, if material at all, that they're lost amid the sea of real concerns like delinquency crime and violence.

maybe you could neg-rep state legislatures until they decriminalize herb... or neg-rep the dude on your corner murdering dub-sackers.

if you didn't say stupid shit like this you wouldn't get neg repped. more people are in jail for minor drug convictions than all other crimes put together.

but i dont get neg-repped. it takes an idiot such as yourself to be the exclusive instance of that.

could it be idiots like yourself who get jailed for having a dime-bag? i say absolutely. again, outside libertarian bullshit stat-land, there is no validity to your claim about the ration of drug offenders to other inmates. might you substantiate that?

 

[Foxfyre]

hyperbole and wishful thinking comprise, what, 80 - 90% of your position?

nothing in that post is hyperbole or wishful thinking

yes, blu, outside of libertarian statistic land, nobody goes to jail for a dime-bag, and killings of your 'innocent' drug-punter pale to the killings in the grander scheme of the industry. in the real world said killings are taken into account when determining the destructiveness of other drugs when compared to alcohol. 95%

For first offenses, this is generally true unless it is used as an excuse to take the guy off the street for some other reason. For second, third or subsequent offenses or in tandem with some other offenses, however, it will be named in charges and considered in sentencing in most places.

One might question though, why somebody who didn't have a serious problem, would put his life in jeopardy in order to obtain a dime bag?

 

[DiamondDave]

No. A better idea would be make drugs legal. Then the gangs wouldn't be killing each other in the streets.

Well, not over drugs anyway.

I'd say that more crimes would be prevented if drugs were legal than would be prevented by the National Guard on our street corners.

With the added bonus of the US not becoming a fascist police state.

I say more crimes would be prevented if we made murder legal.. or stealing food legal

Well.. simply because when you take away the illegality of an action, those committing those actions technically are no longer committing crimes

 

[ABikerSailor]

First off, cannabis is not a gateway towards harder drugs. That is a myth that has been retold over and over since Reefer Madness.

If you want to find out the TRUE effects of cannabis on people, read the Laguardia Report, which was a study commissioned by Richard Nixon to find out it's effects.

When he found out it was favorable to cannabis, he threw it in the garbage.

Then, there is the reason that pot was made illegal in the first place.........racism. Henry P. Anslinger was a racist who hated brown and black people, and wanted to figure out a way to put them in jail legally.

Since they were the primary consumers of cannabis, making it illegal was the logical choice, which brought us the Marijuana Tax Stamp act. In order to sell it, you had to bring in your product for inspection, but, you couldn't get a stamp until it was inspected, and if you brought it in to be inspected without a stamp, they arrested you.

Which is also why the sentences for selling or possessing cannabis were so steep when it was first enacted.

Now.........if you would legalize cannabis, guess what.......a lot of people in Mexico would start growing and with a legitimate business opportunity available, they would more than likely quit the harder stuff.

And the taxes raised on cannabis could help pay for the enforcement of the harder drug laws.

Shit........if the illegal Mexicans could go back to Mexico and grow pot to sell in the US, it may even help with immigration.

Face it, the only reason people don't want cannabis legalized is because they never researched it, nor do they wish to investigate, instead preferring to believe the racist lies laid down by the government in 1939.

 

[blu]

Well, not over drugs anyway.

I'd say that more crimes would be prevented if drugs were legal than would be prevented by the National Guard on our street corners.

With the added bonus of the US not becoming a fascist police state.

I say more crimes would be prevented if we made murder legal.. or stealing food legal

Well.. simply because when you take away the illegality of an action, those committing those actions technically are no longer committing crimes

you are stupid. murder and stealing infringe on the rights of others, hence they should be illegal. smoking weed affects no one but the user

 

[Foxfyre]

I'd say that more crimes would be prevented if drugs were legal than would be prevented by the National Guard on our street corners.

With the added bonus of the US not becoming a fascist police state.

I say more crimes would be prevented if we made murder legal.. or stealing food legal

Well.. simply because when you take away the illegality of an action, those committing those actions technically are no longer committing crimes

you are stupid. murder and stealing infringe on the rights of others, hence they should be illegal. smoking weed affects no one but the user

Smoking weed affects no one but the user if the user stays home, is not responsible for the welfare of children or animals, or otherwise has responsibility involving sharp reaction time, clarity of thought, competent reasoning, etc. I have no problem with ANY controlled substance being legal in such circumstances.

Just like alcohol or other controlled substances, however, it does affect others if the user operates machinery or vehicles on public roads, tracks, waterways, etc., or if clear thinking, sharp responses, good decision making etc. is necessary in one's interaction with others.

 

[blu]

I say more crimes would be prevented if we made murder legal.. or stealing food legal

Well.. simply because when you take away the illegality of an action, those committing those actions technically are no longer committing crimes

you are stupid. murder and stealing infringe on the rights of others, hence they should be illegal. smoking weed affects no one but the user

Smoking weed affects no one but the user if the user stays home, is not responsible for the welfare of children or animals, or otherwise has responsibility involving sharp reaction time, clarity of thought, competent reasoning, etc. I have no problem with ANY controlled substance being legal in such circumstances.

Just like alcohol or other controlled substances, however, it does affect others if the user operates machinery or vehicles on public roads, tracks, waterways, etc., or if clear thinking, sharp responses, good decision making etc. is necessary in one's interaction with others.

the bold is all already covered by laws such as child neglect and driving while under the influence. those laws aren't going anywhere, just like DWI and such laws weren't erased when prohibition ended.

 

[DiamondDave]

I'd say that more crimes would be prevented if drugs were legal than would be prevented by the National Guard on our street corners.

With the added bonus of the US not becoming a fascist police state.

I say more crimes would be prevented if we made murder legal.. or stealing food legal

Well.. simply because when you take away the illegality of an action, those committing those actions technically are no longer committing crimes

you are stupid. murder and stealing infringe on the rights of others, hence they should be illegal. smoking weed affects no one but the user

There are many laws to prevent persons from doing certain personal behaviors.. prostitution laws.. tax evasion... environmental laws... smoking laws... public nudity laws... assisted suicide... and these also do not infringe on the 'rights' of others

And you can be jailed for each

 

[blu]

I say more crimes would be prevented if we made murder legal.. or stealing food legal

Well.. simply because when you take away the illegality of an action, those committing those actions technically are no longer committing crimes

you are stupid. murder and stealing infringe on the rights of others, hence they should be illegal. smoking weed affects no one but the user

There are many laws to prevent persons from doing certain personal behaviors.. prostitution laws.. tax evasion... environmental laws... smoking laws... public nudity laws... assisted suicide... and these also do not infringe on the 'rights' of others

And you can be jailed for each

prostituon should be legal, tax evasion is fraud, breaking environmental laws can affect other people and do (not all of course and some are over the top), smoking laws are there to protect other people from not having to be around cigarette smoke if they don't want to because it does infringe on their rights, public nuditity does hurt children who aren't used to it, and assisted suicide should be legal if the person being killed is sane.

 

[DiamondDave]

you are stupid. murder and stealing infringe on the rights of others, hence they should be illegal. smoking weed affects no one but the user

There are many laws to prevent persons from doing certain personal behaviors.. prostitution laws.. tax evasion... environmental laws... smoking laws... public nudity laws... assisted suicide... and these also do not infringe on the 'rights' of others

And you can be jailed for each

prostituon should be legal, tax evasion is fraud, breaking environmental laws can affect other people and do (not all of course and some are over the top), smoking laws are there to protect other people from not having to be around cigarette smoke if they don't want to because it does infringe on their rights, public nuditity does hurt children who aren't used to it, and assisted suicide should be legal if the person being killed is sane.

Does not take away from the fact that if all were made legal, then there would be less crime by nature... nor does it take away from the more popular stance that these things should be abd should remain illegal because of numerous standards of behavior

And whether tax evasion is fraud or not, it is not infringing upon the rights of others

 

[antagon]

nothing in that post is hyperbole or wishful thinking

yes, blu, outside of libertarian statistic land, nobody goes to jail for a dime-bag, and killings of your 'innocent' drug-punter pale to the killings in the grander scheme of the industry. in the real world said killings are taken into account when determining the destructiveness of other drugs when compared to alcohol. 95%

For first offenses, this is generally true unless it is used as an excuse to take the guy off the street for some other reason. For second, third or subsequent offenses or in tandem with some other offenses, however, it will be named in charges and considered in sentencing in most places.

One might question though, why somebody who didn't have a serious problem, would put his life in jeopardy in order to obtain a dime bag?

the way that enforcement, limitations on search and seizure and our punitive system combine to affect enforcement on drug policies essentially preclude conservative at-home use of mild drugs. one would have to blow statistics not matching that model well out of proportion as blu clearly has to make an argument that there are masses of collateral victims to the war. then, the same folks fail to apply the same scrutiny when it comes time to consider the impact that drugs have on society. instead you get the argument that 'they're harmless, they impinge on nobody else's life'.

you make a good case that you'd have to be asking for it to get imprisoned for narcs. particularly ganja.