Would you prefer a system based on Agrarianism?

[Preacher]

I have worked on a farm,it was for my grandfather he owned 28 acres. I have never felt a better sense of self accomplishment and pride and felt like I put in a hard day's work than when I worked with him on his property. I felt connected to that property because it was in my blood. It was just something to love about working very hard but doing so on your own property for your family and not for some multimillion dollar corporation. Here is a link to Agrarianism for those that don't know what I am talking about.

Personally I find society so detached and in a rush and technology has made that worse IMO.

Agrarianism - Wikipedia

 

[Preacher]

Philosophy[edit]
M. Thomas Inge defines agrarianism by the following basic tenets:[2]

• Farming is the sole occupation that offers total independence and self-sufficiency.
• Urban life, capitalism, and technology destroy independence and dignity and foster vice and weakness.
• The agricultural community, with its fellowship of labor and co-operation, is the model society.
• The farmer has a solid, stable position in the world order. He "has a sense of identity, a sense of historical and religious tradition, a feeling of belonging to a concrete family, place, and region, which are psychologically and culturally beneficial." The harmony of his life checks the encroachments of a fragmented, alienated modern society.
• Cultivation of the soil "has within it a positive spiritual good" and from it the cultivator acquires the virtues of "honor, manliness, self-reliance, courage, moral integrity, and hospitality." They result from a direct contact with nature and, through nature, a closer relationship to God. The agrarian is blessed in that he follows the example of God in creating order out of chaos.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

No.

Black markets matter!

 

[Richard-H]

Before the late 1800s America was an agrarian, pioneering and sea faring nation. I think that a lot of conservatives want a government that is best suited for that type of society. For better or worse we've had a humongous industrial revolution and beyond. Liberals want a government that is suited for the post industrial world.

There is no going back to a pre-industrial society. It may be nice to dream about, but it ain't gonna happen. There is not enough land for everyone - not even close. Besides, the skills needed to live an agrarian life must be taught starting at birth - even then the agrarian life get tough.

Somehow people adapt in this post industrial society. Many lose themselves and any values. Some however retain their humanity.

 

[JoeB131]

I have worked on a farm,it was for my grandfather he owned 28 acres. I have never felt a better sense of self accomplishment and pride and felt like I put in a hard day's work than when I worked with him on his property. I felt connected to that property because it was in my blood. It was just something to love about working very hard but doing so on your own property for your family and not for some multimillion dollar corporation. Here is a link to Agrarianism for those that don't know what I am talking about.

Personally I find society so detached and in a rush and technology has made that worse IMO.

Again, Agrianism can't support an advanced society. subsistance farming is so third world.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Before the late 1800s America was an agrarian, pioneering and sea faring nation. I think that a lot of conservatives want a government that is best suited for that type of society. For better or worse we've had a humongous industrial revolution and beyond. Liberals want a government that is suited for the post industrial world.

There is no going back to a pre-industrial society. It may be nice to dream about, but it ain't gonna happen. There is not enough land for everyone - not even close. Besides, the skills needed to live an agrarian life must be taught starting at birth - even then the agrarian life get tough.

Somehow people adapt in this post industrial society. Many lose themselves and any values. Some however retain their humanity.

Is Tuesday straw man argument day here?

How is it that a government that limits itself to protecting the individual against force and fraud, and leaves everyone else alone, limited to pre-industrial times?

 

[Richard-H]

Philosophy[edit]
M. Thomas Inge defines agrarianism by the following basic tenets:[2]

• Farming is the sole occupation that offers total independence and self-sufficiency.
• Urban life, capitalism, and technology destroy independence and dignity and foster vice and weakness.
• The agricultural community, with its fellowship of labor and co-operation, is the model society.
• The farmer has a solid, stable position in the world order. He "has a sense of identity, a sense of historical and religious tradition, a feeling of belonging to a concrete family, place, and region, which are psychologically and culturally beneficial." The harmony of his life checks the encroachments of a fragmented, alienated modern society.
• Cultivation of the soil "has within it a positive spiritual good" and from it the cultivator acquires the virtues of "honor, manliness, self-reliance, courage, moral integrity, and hospitality." They result from a direct contact with nature and, through nature, a closer relationship to God. The agrarian is blessed in that he follows the example of God in creating order out of chaos.

Yes, you are right! But then comes the white man with his guns and enslaves you and all your people.

 

[The Great Goose]

You are leaning away from National socialism and towards fascism, Odium.

I agree though, getting back to the land and natural pursuits is better than National socialism.

 

[Richard-H]

Before the late 1800s America was an agrarian, pioneering and sea faring nation. I think that a lot of conservatives want a government that is best suited for that type of society. For better or worse we've had a humongous industrial revolution and beyond. Liberals want a government that is suited for the post industrial world.

There is no going back to a pre-industrial society. It may be nice to dream about, but it ain't gonna happen. There is not enough land for everyone - not even close. Besides, the skills needed to live an agrarian life must be taught starting at birth - even then the agrarian life get tough.

Somehow people adapt in this post industrial society. Many lose themselves and any values. Some however retain their humanity.

Is Tuesday straw man argument day here?

How is it that a government that limits itself to protecting the individual against force and fraud, and leaves everyone else alone, limited to pre-industrial times?

"a government that limits itself to protecting the individual against force and fraud" is not limited to pre-industrial times. It's limited to pre-historic times.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

"a government that limits itself to protecting the individual against force and fraud" is not limited to pre-industrial times. It's limited to pre-historic times.

So, being a primary source of force and fraud is all modern and civilzed, huh?

Holy fuck.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I have worked on a farm,it was for my grandfather he owned 28 acres. I have never felt a better sense of self accomplishment and pride and felt like I put in a hard day's work than when I worked with him on his property. I felt connected to that property because it was in my blood. It was just something to love about working very hard but doing so on your own property for your family and not for some multimillion dollar corporation. Here is a link to Agrarianism for those that don't know what I am talking about.

Personally I find society so detached and in a rush and technology has made that worse IMO.

Again, Agrianism can't support an advanced society. subsistance farming is so third world.

This is my point in my going back to the 18th and 19th century thread. It is all a bunch of backwards bullshit.

 

[Richard-H]

"a government that limits itself to protecting the individual against force and fraud" is not limited to pre-industrial times. It's limited to pre-historic times.

So, being a primary source of force and fraud is all modern and civilzed, huh?

Holy fuck.

Learn to read your own statements. A modern government should protect the individual against fraud and force - but that is barely the beginning of what a modern government must do.

And BTW - stop having sexual fantasies about saintly people - it's really disgusting and sick.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

but that is barely the beginning of what a modern government must do.

Says who?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Communal agrarianism for the people !!!! Lol

 

[Preacher]

Before the late 1800s America was an agrarian, pioneering and sea faring nation. I think that a lot of conservatives want a government that is best suited for that type of society. For better or worse we've had a humongous industrial revolution and beyond. Liberals want a government that is suited for the post industrial world.

There is no going back to a pre-industrial society. It may be nice to dream about, but it ain't gonna happen. There is not enough land for everyone - not even close. Besides, the skills needed to live an agrarian life must be taught starting at birth - even then the agrarian life get tough.

Somehow people adapt in this post industrial society. Many lose themselves and any values. Some however retain their humanity.

So pretty much unless the country collapses it won't go back to a full fledged society based on Agrarianism.

You are leaning away from National socialism and towards fascism, Odium.

I agree though, getting back to the land and natural pursuits is better than National socialism.

I was never a National Socialist. I was a Racial Socialist. Also how is this Fascism? I haven't looked into it yet but I do believe the NS did enjoy Agrarianism and pushed it as well...like I said haven't really looked into it completely. I believe one can be for Agrarianism and for National or Racial Socialism. Actually I think the 2 can be VERY closely connected.

 

[Richard-H]

BTW - I used to live in a third world village just south of a rain forest. One of my best friends lived in a tent in the rain forest and grew his own food. We used to get drunk, I'd play guitar and he'd play the bongos. I had a regular job, but if he needed money he'd just weave things out of palm leaves and sell them to tourists. It was fun it it's way, but NO WOMEN were interested in this life style. Somehow women want a whole lot more...

 

[ScienceRocks]

but that is barely the beginning of what a modern government must do.

Says who?

10,000 years of heritage and understanding of how civilization runs. Something people like you can't stand.

 

[ScienceRocks]

My god you fucking libertarians have lose your mind.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

 

[Moonglow]

My god you fucking libertarians have lose your mind.

I doubt they would enjoy a horse drawn plow and a daily exercise in sod busting,, insect removal and disposal, all the live long day...