Would you be in favor of a repeal of smoking bans ....

[Skull Pilot]

Some smokers act like they think they are being murdered!

Some nonsmokers think smoking equals child pornography

No it just equals addiction, the only difference between a smoker and a heroin junkie is that ones addiction is legal.

And why is their addiction your business?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Tobacco use is stupid, be it smoked, snorted or chewed. Purveyors of tobacco products are no different (morally, ethically) then those who sell other drugs; and judges, legislators and others who continue to allow tobacco to be grown, sold and marketed are evil.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Some smokers act like they think they are being murdered!

Some nonsmokers think smoking equals child pornography

No, we just think it's stupid.

But if you want to commit slow-motion suicide, that's your business.

Just so you know,

I don't smoke, never did never will.

But I do not believe in forcing my opinions on others.

I have no problem with a person opening a pub that allows smoking. I simply will not drink or eat there.

It's called choice

 

[Anguille]

Don't be an idiot.

So some health code laws are okay but others are not?

So you are being forced to patronize a pub that allows smoking?

You have the right to choose you know.

If I allow smoking and everyone who patronizes my pub knows it then they make the choice to enter or not.

If you wish to enjoy the privilege of doing business in a community, you are obliged to respect the laws concerning consumer and employee protections. Otherwise that privilege will be taken away from you.

 

[noose4]

Some nonsmokers think smoking equals child pornography

No it just equals addiction, the only difference between a smoker and a heroin junkie is that ones addiction is legal.

And why is their addiction your business?

Unless a heroin junkie robs me or is a relative his addiction doesnt affect me but as a breather the smokers addiction does affect me.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So some health code laws are okay but others are not?

So you are being forced to patronize a pub that allows smoking?

You have the right to choose you know.

If I allow smoking and everyone who patronizes my pub knows it then they make the choice to enter or not.

If you wish to enjoy the privilege of doing business in a community, you are obliged to respect the laws concerning consumer and employee protections. Otherwise that privilege will be taken away from you.

Another person who completely misses the point of the thread.

The thread asks whether or not the laws should be changed.

 

[Anguille]

smoking is (still) a perfectly legal activity.

It's amusing the way some people keep repeating that. In most public places smoking is an illegal activity.
To claim it's "a perfectly legal activity" is like claiming it's perfectly legal to drive 65 miles an hour down a narrow residential street just because it's legal to drive that fast on the highway.

Drinking alcohol is legal yet I by law can not walk down the street drinking a bottle of beer.

Or do it while driving.

 

[dilloduck]

No it just equals addiction, the only difference between a smoker and a heroin junkie is that ones addiction is legal.

And why is their addiction your business?

Unless a heroin junkie robs me or is a relative his addiction doesnt affect me but as a breather the smokers addiction does affect me.

So naturally you are against driving cars in public places too ?

 

[Skull Pilot]

No it just equals addiction, the only difference between a smoker and a heroin junkie is that ones addiction is legal.

And why is their addiction your business?

Unless a heroin junkie robs me or is a relative his addiction doesnt affect me but as a breather the smokers addiction does affect me.

not if you don't patronize the place where people are smoking and only give your business to those establishment s that are smoke free.

 

[Anguille]

The concept of freedom of choice is a simple one to grasp.

Yes and smokers need to make their choice, smoke where they won't hurt anyone else or see laws get passed to make sure they do the right thing.

And therein lays the problem. No one should legislate to 'make sure' that others 'do the right thing'.

So I guess you are opposed to laws that prohibit rape, murder and child abuse?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes and smokers need to make their choice, smoke where they won't hurt anyone else or see laws get passed to make sure they do the right thing.

And therein lays the problem. No one should legislate to 'make sure' that others 'do the right thing'.

So I guess you are opposed to laws that prohibit rape, murder and child abuse?

Rape, murder and child abuse are inflicted on victims against their will.

If my pub allows smoking and you have the choice not to enter, how does that relate to rape murder and child abuse?

 

[Anguille]

It's amusing the way some people keep repeating that. In most public places smoking is an illegal activity.
To claim it's "a perfectly legal activity" is like claiming it's perfectly legal to drive 65 miles an hour down a narrow residential street just because it's legal to drive that fast on the highway.

Drinking alcohol is legal yet I by law can not walk down the street drinking a bottle of beer.

Public property not private property.

My pub is not public property.

You pub is a public space and must abide by the laws governing them.

 

[noose4]

And why is their addiction your business?

Unless a heroin junkie robs me or is a relative his addiction doesnt affect me but as a breather the smokers addiction does affect me.

not if you don't patronize the place where people are smoking and only give your business to those establishment s that are smoke free.

People should not be impeded from enjoying a public establishment because of an addicts addiction, let the addict be inconvenienced not the general non addicted public.

 

[noose4]

And therein lays the problem. No one should legislate to 'make sure' that others 'do the right thing'.

So I guess you are opposed to laws that prohibit rape, murder and child abuse?

Rape, murder and child abuse are inflicted on victims against their will.

If my pub allows smoking and you have the choice not to enter, how does that relate to rape murder and child abuse?

By that logic the victims of rape or murder should have avoided dangerous places and situations.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Drinking alcohol is legal yet I by law can not walk down the street drinking a bottle of beer.

Public property not private property.

My pub is not public property.

You pub is a public space and must abide by the laws governing them.

Jesus, how thick is your skull that you can't grasp the question of whether or not smoking bans should be changed?

Some of us believe they should be changed and we are making arguments as to why.

 

[noose4]

And why is their addiction your business?

Unless a heroin junkie robs me or is a relative his addiction doesnt affect me but as a breather the smokers addiction does affect me.

So naturally you are against driving cars in public places too ?

Transportation is necessary, feeding an addiction is not.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So I guess you are opposed to laws that prohibit rape, murder and child abuse?

Rape, murder and child abuse are inflicted on victims against their will.

If my pub allows smoking and you have the choice not to enter, how does that relate to rape murder and child abuse?

By that logic the victims of rape or murder should have avoided dangerous places and situations.

Not at all.

Because those acts are perpetrated by a person and the intention of that person is unknowable to the victim

You know my pub allows smoking and you are free to enter or not.

 

[dilloduck]

Unless a heroin junkie robs me or is a relative his addiction doesnt affect me but as a breather the smokers addiction does affect me.

So naturally you are against driving cars in public places too ?

Transportation is necessary, feeding an addiction is not.

got it---if it's necessary to fuck peoples lungs up it's OK.

 

[noose4]

Rape, murder and child abuse are inflicted on victims against their will.

If my pub allows smoking and you have the choice not to enter, how does that relate to rape murder and child abuse?

By that logic the victims of rape or murder should have avoided dangerous places and situations.

Not at all.

Because those acts are perpetrated by a person and the intention of that person is unknowable to the victim

You know my pub allows smoking and you are free to enter or not.

A persons addiction should not impede the choices available to the general public regarding business establishments they may frequent, there are laws requiring handicap access to businesses, allowing smoking in an establishment impedes the rights of those with afflictions like asthma and other respiratory conditions from frequenting such establishments.

 

[Anguille]

right.. because not being able to smoke in a given area is totally the same as being murdered

Some smokers act like they think they are being murdered!

Don't get too full of yourself here---it's a personal rights issue.

Exactly. Mine and everyone else's right not to be subjected to an obnoxious health hazard because a small minority of smokers hasn't got the common sense and the courtesy to contain their disgusting habit to places where it harms no one but themselves.