'Would the Tea Party Exist....'

Instead of posting separate threads, below are two interesting articles on the tea party. The second piece is an apology piece but interesting as it gets into historical aspects of populism and progressivism. I disagree with the piece and think it off base, but it is worth a look.



"The dissolution of the Obama constituency provides a vacuum for the Tea Party, which, like the Obama groupies, has figureheads and slogans, but no real ideas. So Democrats should just acknowledge that they're no better than the Tea Party and take to the streets with dumb signs and costumes. It'll be a gas. It's just theatrics anyhow." Hiram (from comments in last link)



"Because racial privilege cannot be separated from the defense of local liberty in American history, it is no surprise that the state has been seen by many whites -from Oxford Mississippi to Boston Massachusetts- as the enemy of their local liberty.
In addition, herrenvolk republicanism invokes a “producer’s republic” to attack both a state parasitic on “productive” labor, and the undeserving (“unproductive”) poor supported by it. In the American political imaginary, indeed, blackness is linked to (among other things) state power; the central image in the counter-subversive politics of culture war is a demonic love triangle composed of the liberal state supporting unproductive blacks and aborting (i.e. unproductive and not only autonomous) women, at the symbolic and literal expense of white men. Tea Party rhetoric sustains these historical themes: a blackened Obama is associated with state power and redistribution as taxation of the productive supports the unproductive. (The health plan does avow a right to healthcare for 40 million uninsured people, who are coded black and/or alien, not poor.)" The Contemporary Condition: The Politics of The Tea Party.



"Why do populists see arrogance institutionalized only in liberalism? Can’t populists discern at least an equal degree of arrogance in conservatism? Anyone who finds a practical way to address that question should become a Democratic Party strategist. In 2000 Al Gore told voters clearly and repeatedly that Republican policies were intended to benefit the richest one-tenth of one percent of Americans. George W. Bush called the math fuzzy, but it’s far from clear that voters who chose Bush did so because they agreed with him that Gore’s numbers were lacking. As Rich and others have noted, many in the Tea Party movement don’t like Bush or his dynastic roots. The last administration’s use of government to shore up power and enrich those it favored are part and parcel of the Tea Party complaint. But most in the Tea Party would choose Bush again, not Gore." Boston Review — William Hogeland: Real Americans [ See comments 6, 8 and 10.]
 
lol, The Tea Party has no REAL IDEAS.

Here's the one and ONLY idea you all need.

WE want the DAMN GUBERMENT, to get the hell out of OUR LIVES.
 
"Actually, there is no alienation that a little power will not cure." Eric Hoffer

Would the tea party exist if McCain had won? No, it would not. Even a leading tea party organizer admitted that aspect of the organization on Chris Matthews. So why? If you ask a tea party sympathizer they would tell you because McCain would be different. Of course he would be different, he would be a republican. Is that the only difference. The tea partier would of course say no.


"Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves." Eric Hoffer

We would not have reached the tipping point (yet) if McCain had been elected. It's best that he wasn't. I voted for him with reluctance.
 
Nobody can say that because the clock can't be turned back.

The OP is nothing more than poorly disguised race baiting, cowering behind a navel gazing "if only X had happened" fallacy.

Hey ODDball, did you change your screen name from Dude, so you could shed your phony non-partisan 'libertarian' arrogance and post your REAL beliefs; a right wing pea brain that would vote for ANY and ALL Republicans?

You dispute the premise of the OP?

Tea Party Script Written In Washington (VIDEO)

An extensive review of GOP campaign literature, floor speeches and public statements reveals that Republican candidates and officeholders routinely use GOP talking points verbatim in their speeches and campaign literature, while passing off the language as their own personal views.

The most flagrant violations come from an unlikely corner: A dozen members of the House Tea Party Caucus have made word-for-word use of GOP talking points, presenting them as statements of their own. These self-styled renegade Republicans are, quite literally, reading from a script written in Washington. The source of that script is usually GOP.gov, the website of Republicans in Congress.

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I definitely supported Hillary for the Democrat nomination, not because I respect or appreciate her politics, but at least she is an American in spirit as well as name, and she did not bring the cloak and dagger methodology or soft Marxism into the process as it was obvious, to me anyway, that Obama was likely to do.

Where did they differ substantively on the issues during that campaign? If you can't articulate very clearly how Candidate Obama's policy positions displayed a "soft Marxism" that Candidate Clinton's didn't, I imagine that "American in spirit as well as name" slip is about as telling as it gets.

The right has become dominated by authoritarian followers, people with the same personality markers of those that follow the Hitlers and Stalins of this world.

What the pea brain is saying, Hillary is a nationalist, Obama is a Kenyon, Muslim, fill in the blank.
 
Another fascinating look at the tea party, and good advice too.


'Don't Ridicule the Tea-Baggers -- Recruit Them' by Ernest Partridge

"To be sure, Schultz’s “Psycho Talk” and Olbermann’s “Worst Persons” and other such attacks on right-wing crazies are worthy exercises. So too the clever antics of “Billionaires for Wealthfare” and “The Yes Men.” But no one expects such attacks to persuade Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly, Backman, deMint, et al to forsake their wicked ways. Instead, such well deserved ridicule is designed to discredit these sources of tea-bag delusions. Accordingly, they are appropriate targets of derision.

But not the tea-bag movement, en masse, and most assuredly, not each of those who identify with it.

So how should the strategically savvy progressive deal with the tea-baggers, both collectively and face-to-face?

Above all, one should acknowledge that many, and perhaps most, tea-baggers are not the right-wing enemy, they are the victims of the right-wing along with the vast majority of the rest of us.

Face it: Dick Armey, Glenn Beck, FAUX News, and the billionaires that are funding the tea-bag movement have accomplished a truly astonishing feat. They have persuaded millions of the victims of the banksters, big pharma, insurance, energy conglomerates, etc. to protest in behalf of their oppressors, and against their potential liberators and their own self-interest. One could almost admire the well-funded geniuses who pulled this off, but for the fact that they are greedy, unprincipled and ruthless bastards."

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More interesting info on the tea party republicans.

By Robert Parry

'We're Headed for a Major Battle with the Tea Party Crowd over the Constitution Itself'

"We should be under no illusion about the new flood of know-nothingism that is about to inundate the United States in the guise of a return to "first principles.""

"The same right-wingers who happily accepted George W. Bush’s shift toward a police state – his claims of limitless executive power, warrantless wiretaps, repudiation of habeas corpus, redefining cruel and unusual punishment, suppression of dissent, creation of massive databases on citizens, arbitrary no-fly lists, and endless overseas wars – have now reinvented themselves as brave protectors of American liberty." We're Headed for a Major Battle with the Tea Party Crowd over the Constitution Itself | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet
 
I didn't notice the Tea Party bitching about the $800 billion dollar compromise.

In fact now they're bitching about the fact that the inheritence tax wasn't eliminated.

The TP may be many things, but fiscally conservative it isn't.

It is nothing but a wing of the Republican party, far as I can tell.
 

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