Discussion in 'Iran' started by Kevin_Kennedy, Feb 8, 2009.
Robert Naiman: Would It Kill Us to Apologize to Iran for the Coup?
Should Carter apologize for overthrowing the Shah and letting Khomeni walk in?
Anyone who understands anything about the middle east knows that apologies come from a position of weakness.
Why do you think the Iranians freed the hostages on the day Ronny Raygun took office? They knew he meant business that's why.
Obama is only projecting weakness.
tHE EVENT WAS OVER 50 YEARS AGO, WHO THE HELL CARES. And as been pointed out Iranians and Arabs , muslims in general, think if you say your sorry it is cause you are afraid and weak. Since no one is still alive that was in power when the coup happened we have nothing to apologize FOR.
Ayatolla Khomainie wanted to prove he could effect the outcome of a US election.
He showed the Islamic world how easy it was to topple a POTUS.
He knew that holding the hostages would do just that.
He bragged about it as he was doing it.
Carter fell for his trap.
It would not have mattered who America elected. It happened to be Reagan.
Those hostages were going to be released immediately after Carter was out of office.
Did Khomainie fear, Reagan?
To do what? Invade? Drop the big one?
I think Khomainie wasn't too worried about either of those.
He didn't need the hostages, post Carter. They'd served their purpose.
Ayatolla proved his point...that our democracy was easy to manipulate because our President was easy to manipulate.
I wonder what Reagan would have done, had he been in Carter's shoes on day one of the hostage crises?
I doubt he'd have been so easy to maipulate as Carter, but what would Ron have done if he'd been President on Nov. 4, 1979?
What would any of you have done on that date had you been POTUS on that first day?
Obviously storming the embassy was an act of war.
It pissed off a lot of Americans and I was one of them.
I thought at the time, that turning Tehran into a sheet of glass might alert the Iranians that we were not amused.
I may have been over reacting a bit.
But I'd have taken a harder line than Carter did.
The so-called hostages were POWs as far as I was concerned. They were after all, spooks, state department professionals and Marine guards.
I'd have begun systematically destroying Iranian oil facilities and all military infrastructure by air.
I'd have escalated even to the point of invasion.
I'd have tracked Khomainie down, and I'd have hanged the bastard.
Storm our embassy?
Die, foreignor die!
I've mellowed since then.
I dare you to say the same about the holocaust. I DARE YOU.
Hypocrite in that aspect much Sarge?
Unlike you, I care about both incidents and not just one. This changed the future of Iran easily; one can only imagine how it might be today if we had not done what we did.
Dumbest post of the week.
The article presents one way to spin the story. Another would suggest Iran should thank the US and UK for preventing Mossadeq from delivering Iran over to the USSR intentionally or not. During WWII, Iran had been occupied by the Soviet Union, the US and the UK so that aid, mostly from the US, could be delivered to the Soviets. After the war, Stalin refused to withdraw his troops until the UK with the support of the US demanded it. The USSR then for years sought to persuade some outlying provinces to secede, and this agitation continued during the the events of 1953.
There can be little doubt but that the USSR would have turned Iran into a Soviet satellite state if Mossadeq had managed to break relations with the UK and US, and then Iran would have had no control over its oil production or oil revenues. In fact, had the Soviets not gotten bogged down in Afghanistan, they would almost certainly have tried again to take over Iran after the Islamic Revolution.
Instead asking for an apology from the US, Amadinejad should apologize to the US for its decades of ingratitude.
Yes, what ingrates. We give them a perfectly good military dictator to rule over them and they dare question us?
Maybe the Soviets would have taken over Iran, key word being maybe. The choice, however, was for the Iranian people to make, and they clearly chose Mossadeq.
Yet they get to make those choices today?
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