CDZ Would Hillary Clinton make a good President?

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Would Hillary Clinton make a good President?

  1. Yes

    15.4%
  2. No, but I support her/would vote for her to avoid the Trumpocalypse

    3.8%
  3. No, Trump is better than her, I'm voting for him

    50.0%
  4. No, I'm supporting/voting for Jill Stein

    3.8%
  5. No, I'm supporting/voting for Gary Johnson

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  6. Other (please explain in comments)

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  1. phoenyx
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    I started a thread here discussing Donald Trump, and while I'm happy with it, I can't help but feel that having a thread discussing Donald Trump without having another thread discussing Hillary Clinton is like planning a debate but only inviting one of the debating teams to the actual debate. I do have a fear here though- while people certainly have strong feelings towards Donald Trump, I've come to believe that people are generally more restrained when talking about him negatively. When it comes to Hillary, well, there's a reason I want to have this debate in the CDZ. The moderators may come to believe that trying to moderate a debate regarding Hillary in the CDZ is beyond their capabilities, and I can't say I'd blame them. But I'm going to see if it can be done, atleast for a time.

    Personally, while I think Trump is much worse, I can't support Hillary- I support Jill Stein. That being said, there are clearly a fair amount of people who do support her, even if she, like Trump, has pretty low approval ratings overall. I found an article from the Huffington Post that I think gets something of the gist of my feelings on her. Here's an excerpt:
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    Hillary Clinton’s vice presidential choice was her first true opportunity to alert the various constituencies that make up the Democratic Party of her governing agenda.

    By choosing Tim Kaine, a senator from Virginia with an “Ah guys let’s be careful I don’t know” Democratic record, she appears to be betting that voters will cast their ballots in November in fear of a Donald Trump presidency rather than in favor of … whatever it is Clinton stands for at this point in her political career.

    Progressives inside the Beltway got the message.

    “This sends a signal to liberals that they don’t matter,” said one progressive Senate Democratic aide.

    The Kaine pick dashed hopes in the party’s base that the new Clinton might more fully reflect a Democratic coalition that has become more populist and progressive since her husband occupied the White House in the 1990s. The move will have lasting consequences, according to House and Senate insiders. Clinton has undermined her own potential governing coalition, should she win the White House in November.

    “This decision definitely impacts the relationship that progressives are going to have with a potential Clinton administration going forward,” said Neil Sroka, a spokesperson for Democracy for America, a progressive organization that rallied against a Kaine nomination.

    ...
    Both DFA and the Progressive Campaign Change Committee issued statements disapproving of the Kaine selection, explicitly citing his support for TPP.

    “She already starts with a trust deficit on these issues and she has just set herself back before she even takes office,” another Democratic Senate staffer told HuffPost.

    **

    Source: Hillary Clinton Does Not Understand Her Own Supporters
     
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    If hillary was not so courrpt and dishonest and sticks her nose up in the air about us middle class and poor..she at best would make an ok president..around the lines of the old mayor of chicago jane.Byrne.


    But hillary is hillary her presidency will be marked 24/7 in scandals and hearings...no way around it.
     
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    I do agree with one thing- if Clinton is elected President- the GOP will spend the next 4 years manufacturing scandals and hearings.
     
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    So why do You want that?

    Trump at least would compromise with liberals...

    You seen him toning down his bigotry lately..

    Repubs in congress hate hillary...

    No backing down until they finally get her like the feds got AL Capone ..

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    Clinton is the one with the history of working with both parties- as Senator she was well known for being able to work with both Republicans and Democrats to get legislation passed.

    Trump has never had to compromise on anything.
     
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    Republicans in Congress have no more actual 'hatred' of Clinton than Trump does.

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    They will however, gladly spend 4 years manufacturing scandal for political purposes.
     
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    They would hardly have to manufacture scandals .... Hillary's totally corrupt, owned by the elites and you're in denial.
     
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    She seems to have a knack for manufacturing her own scandals
     
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    I watched trumps t.v. show and heard his son and daughter voucie for him..

    That guy is not that intelegent but he don't have to be, he trys to hire the best and always ask questions on what they think..before making a decsion..

    I don't think hillary would ask little ol' me a question on anything, but trump would because he don't know my world .
     

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