Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence

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Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence?

We have to end inquisitions and jihads of all kinds, including the less lethal ones like homophobia and misogyny.

Some secular governments, led by the French of France and Quebec, are implementing bans on all religious iconography prayers and emblems and religious displays so as to ease religious tensions and violence. They call it laïcité, which translates to secularism. Laïcité - Wikipedia

The general secular population seems to dislike the one-upmanship that the religious practice on other religions, as well as those who do not follow a religion; even though statistics show that the less religion in a nation, the more peaceful and law abiding it is. Conversely, if we look at the Christian nation of the U.S., as an example; we see perhaps the least peaceful and law abiding nation on earth. This last aside, an example of this one-upmanship, would be Christian signage that tells us to turn to Jesus or be condemned and Muslim head gear and face covering that say that the wearer is more chastely than those who do not cover their heads and bodies.

Jesus said that we should pray in private so as not to be seen as trying to outdo each other in chastity, righteousness and other one-upmanship adjectives that you might think of. Yet most who say they respect Jesus do not follow his teachings of remaining private and insist on public displays of their perceived insult to others not of their brand.

I see the secular world as following Jesus’ advice on this while the so called religious ignore Jesus.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Apparently you've never read the First Amendment........

Well, the OP didn't specify where the ban would come from. I took it as a question of what the effect would be, assuming it were done --- on whatever level.

Then you read it completely differently than I did.......

Key sentence:

We have to end inquisitions and jihads of all kinds, including the less lethal ones like homophobia and misogyny.

Take that in context with the rest of his anti-religion exposition and what else comes to mind?

I am a Gnostic Christian so take your anti-religion crap and shove it.

I will admit to being anti the homophobic and misogynous religions that you seem to want to protect.

Regards
DL

Being a Gnostic Christian aside you're nothing more than a self deluded zealot.

The only thing this dude has in common with Gnostic Christians is socialism.

 

[GreatestIam]

You think using violence to interfere with our right to freely exercise our religion is going to stop hatred and violence?

No.

I am not recommending violence. Inquisitions and jihads are religions answer to things and is their specialty.

The religious doing as Jesus tells us to do is what would reduce the violence. That being to get the hell out of the faces of those who do not share your delusional thinking.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I've many times stated that a don't ask don't tell approach to religious ideology, which includes no medalions and symbols, would help society a lot, but hiding my Jewish nose is harder then hiding my Mezuzah. :--)

I am pleased to see a sane answer in this way to American weirdo place.
It is my view that Jewry was well on the way to a moral ideology before Christianity usurped your god and reversed much of his teachings.

I also think that my own Chrestian and Karaite Jews founded what is now Gnostic Christianity. We tend to think about the same superior to Christianity and Islam way.

Regards
DL

"Gnostic Christian" means "not any light idea about the Christian rebound in god" or much shorter "Antichristian". You try to attribuate the pseudo-emotion "hate" with the expression "Christian" in sense of an effect of conditioning. A typical propaganda strategy of Nazis and Bolshevics. With Jews has such a stupid behavior nothing to do.
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Ah, you mean like inquisitions and jihads, religious tools.

No. I just let the hate that you guys have for women and gays and the equality of all people be known.

If you don't like that, change your vile and immoral ways.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence?

We have to end inquisitions and jihads of all kinds, including the less lethal ones like homophobia and misogyny.

Some secular governments, led by the French of France and Quebec, are implementing bans on all religious iconography prayers and emblems and religious displays so as to ease religious tensions and violence. They call it laïcité, which translates to secularism. Laïcité - Wikipedia

The general secular population seems to dislike the one-upmanship that the religious practice on other religions, as well as those who do not follow a religion; even though statistics show that the less religion in a nation, the more peaceful and law abiding it is. Conversely, if we look at the Christian nation of the U.S., as an example; we see perhaps the least peaceful and law abiding nation on earth. This last aside, an example of this one-upmanship, would be Christian signage that tells us to turn to Jesus or be condemned and Muslim head gear and face covering that say that the wearer is more chastely than those who do not cover their heads and bodies.

Jesus said that we should pray in private so as not to be seen as trying to outdo each other in chastity, righteousness and other one-upmanship adjectives that you might think of. Yet most who say they respect Jesus do not follow his teachings of remaining private and insist on public displays of their perceived insult to others not of their brand.

I see the secular world as following Jesus’ advice on this while the so called religious ignore Jesus.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

Speaking as a life-long American and a Liberal, and according to my own belief in how this nation could be run if we gave it our best, every American has the right to worship according to his own choice.

There is a village just down the Ohio River from me that, during Christmastime, they display an Orthodox cross and your garden variety cross. And by garden, in mean the Garden of Gethsemane. Although there is not a menorah nor a star and crescent. Not as a slight or warning to Jews and Muslims, but as a total lack of Jews and Muslims. Those symbols are not there because those who venerate those symbols are not there.

We should not ban religion in any way. Seems to me that we need all the religion we can get.

Why? Do you like that they deny half the population their right to equality?

You might want to check the peace stats.

The less religion in a country, the more peaceful and law abiding it is.

Do you want more of the G D religions that are like the immoral mainstream ones we now suffer?

Regards
DL

 

[Nosmo King]

Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence?

We have to end inquisitions and jihads of all kinds, including the less lethal ones like homophobia and misogyny.

Some secular governments, led by the French of France and Quebec, are implementing bans on all religious iconography prayers and emblems and religious displays so as to ease religious tensions and violence. They call it laïcité, which translates to secularism. Laïcité - Wikipedia

The general secular population seems to dislike the one-upmanship that the religious practice on other religions, as well as those who do not follow a religion; even though statistics show that the less religion in a nation, the more peaceful and law abiding it is. Conversely, if we look at the Christian nation of the U.S., as an example; we see perhaps the least peaceful and law abiding nation on earth. This last aside, an example of this one-upmanship, would be Christian signage that tells us to turn to Jesus or be condemned and Muslim head gear and face covering that say that the wearer is more chastely than those who do not cover their heads and bodies.

Jesus said that we should pray in private so as not to be seen as trying to outdo each other in chastity, righteousness and other one-upmanship adjectives that you might think of. Yet most who say they respect Jesus do not follow his teachings of remaining private and insist on public displays of their perceived insult to others not of their brand.

I see the secular world as following Jesus’ advice on this while the so called religious ignore Jesus.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

Speaking as a life-long American and a Liberal, and according to my own belief in how this nation could be run if we gave it our best, every American has the right to worship according to his own choice.

There is a village just down the Ohio River from me that, during Christmastime, they display an Orthodox cross and your garden variety cross. And by garden, in mean the Garden of Gethsemane. Although there is not a menorah nor a star and crescent. Not as a slight or warning to Jews and Muslims, but as a total lack of Jews and Muslims. Those symbols are not there because those who venerate those symbols are not there.

We should not ban religion in any way. Seems to me that we need all the religion we can get.

Why? Do you like that they deny half the population their right to equality?

You might want to check the peace stats.

The less religion in a country, the more peaceful and law abiding it is.

Do you want more of the G D religions that are like the immoral mainstream ones we now suffer?

Regards
DL

I don't want to deny anyone's rights. I want everyone to enjoy the same rights. If anyone, KJew or Hindi or Siek or Muslim or snake handlers want to display an emblem of their faith.

I'll open the gates for a little more God in people's lives. I don't take with Marx saying religion is the opiate of the masses. In these parts, opioids are the opiate of the masses.

I don't believe that religion should influence our laws. Dogma and legislation is a horrifying mix.

But whoever wants to worship and be proud of it (because it's all about pride) must be free to do so.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Apparently you've never read the First Amendment........

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Apparently you've never read the First Amendment........

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...


howabout the purposeful first line you ignored rather than the mundane disclaimer you chose as for the intent of the article.

Uummmm, because in this instance the government wouldn't be establishing a religion.......
Now we could argue till the end of time if atheism and secularism are religions in their own right........

Uummmm, because in this instance the government wouldn't be establishing a religion.......
Now we could argue till the end of time if atheism and secularism are religions in their own right........

or whether any of the biblical congregations do not purposefully disguise their political agendas as religions and should not be included at all.

That is a matter for the courts and still does not fall under Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion because congress does not technically ESTABLISH those as religions despite what the tax laws might say. Now I'm sure you will argue that point but everyone is entitled to their opinion....... As far as I'm concerned it's a matter for the courts to decide if any supposed religious entities are indeed churches or simply using the 1st Amendment to evade taxes.

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Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence

That is a matter for the courts and still does not fall under Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion because congress does not technically ESTABLISH those as religions despite what the tax laws might say.

and still does not fall under Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion - despite what the tax laws might say.


the op is in error to suggest the ban does not already exist, [bold]allowing a nativity scene on public land is an establishment of a religion[/bold] prohibited by the constitution ... tax law does not establish a religion it only defines its presence.

the 4th century christian bible established the - church of the roman empire - if that helps in your misinterpretation of the 1st amendment.

I disagree with the bolded part. Having a nativity scene on federal land doesnt establish a religion. Also, the establishment clause doesnt say government cant practice religion, and it doesnt say religion cannot exist in government. It only says that the government on a federal level cannot state any particular religion as a national religion.

 

[zaangalewa]

I've many times stated that a don't ask don't tell approach to religious ideology, which includes no medalions and symbols, would help society a lot, but hiding my Jewish nose is harder then hiding my Mezuzah. :--)

I am pleased to see a sane answer in this way to American weirdo place.
It is my view that Jewry was well on the way to a moral ideology before Christianity usurped your god and reversed much of his teachings.

I also think that my own Chrestian and Karaite Jews founded what is now Gnostic Christianity. We tend to think about the same superior to Christianity and Islam way.

Regards
DL

"Gnostic Christian" means "not any light idea about the Christian rebound in god" or much shorter "Antichristian". You try to attribuate the pseudo-emotion "hate" with the expression "Christian" in sense of an effect of conditioning. A typical propaganda strategy of Nazis and Bolshevics. With Jews has such a stupid behavior nothing to do.
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Ah, you mean like inquisitions

The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history. The inquisition is even still a basic of all modern judical systems in the democracies. The "advocatus diabolo" for example was the idea that even the devil personally has the right to have a public defender in court.

and jihads, religious tools.

Which jihad or crusade do you speak about here? The little jihad or the big jihad? The little jihad fights with the circumstances of life - the big jihad fights with the own person.

And what is a "religious tool" in your way to try to see what's really going on in the world?

No. I just let the hate that you guys have for women and gays and the equality of all people be known.

Aha. You think things are true, because you are able to thing thinks.

If you don't like that, change your vile and immoral ways.

Regards
DL

What a luck that specially militant atheists are not the worst moralists the world ever had seen. Specially not the peaceful Nazis and Commies.

 

[GreatestIam]

Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence?

We have to end inquisitions and jihads of all kinds, including the less lethal ones like homophobia and misogyny.

Some secular governments, led by the French of France and Quebec, are implementing bans on all religious iconography prayers and emblems and religious displays so as to ease religious tensions and violence. They call it laïcité, which translates to secularism. Laïcité - Wikipedia

The general secular population seems to dislike the one-upmanship that the religious practice on other religions, as well as those who do not follow a religion; even though statistics show that the less religion in a nation, the more peaceful and law abiding it is. Conversely, if we look at the Christian nation of the U.S., as an example; we see perhaps the least peaceful and law abiding nation on earth. This last aside, an example of this one-upmanship, would be Christian signage that tells us to turn to Jesus or be condemned and Muslim head gear and face covering that say that the wearer is more chastely than those who do not cover their heads and bodies.

Jesus said that we should pray in private so as not to be seen as trying to outdo each other in chastity, righteousness and other one-upmanship adjectives that you might think of. Yet most who say they respect Jesus do not follow his teachings of remaining private and insist on public displays of their perceived insult to others not of their brand.

I see the secular world as following Jesus’ advice on this while the so called religious ignore Jesus.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

Speaking as a life-long American and a Liberal, and according to my own belief in how this nation could be run if we gave it our best, every American has the right to worship according to his own choice.

There is a village just down the Ohio River from me that, during Christmastime, they display an Orthodox cross and your garden variety cross. And by garden, in mean the Garden of Gethsemane. Although there is not a menorah nor a star and crescent. Not as a slight or warning to Jews and Muslims, but as a total lack of Jews and Muslims. Those symbols are not there because those who venerate those symbols are not there.

We should not ban religion in any way. Seems to me that we need all the religion we can get.

Why? Do you like that they deny half the population their right to equality?

You might want to check the peace stats.

The less religion in a country, the more peaceful and law abiding it is.

Do you want more of the G D religions that are like the immoral mainstream ones we now suffer?

Regards
DL

I don't want to deny anyone's rights. I want everyone to enjoy the same rights. If anyone, KJew or Hindi or Siek or Muslim or snake handlers want to display an emblem of their faith.

I'll open the gates for a little more God in people's lives. I don't take with Marx saying religion is the opiate of the masses. In these parts, opioids are the opiate of the masses.

I don't believe that religion should influence our laws. Dogma and legislation is a horrifying mix.

But whoever wants to worship and be proud of it (because it's all about pride) must be free to do so.

I have nothing against worship and praying the way Jesus taught and that religions who say they respect Jesus do not do. They should walk their talk and get their immoral garbage religions out of the public space.

Stats are showing that the less religiosity in a people and country, the more peaceful it is. Peace and love is what all religions brag about, so making religions walk their talk should be something you, and all the religious would approve of.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I don't want to deny anyone's rights.

Neither do I and I also think that freedom from religion is as important to the non-believers as freedom of religi9n is to those who are preaching their vile and bigoted hemophilic and misogynous messages.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history.

This is all I need to know from you to determine that you are a fool and know nothing of justice. Religions are what taught Hitler his trade and the Church aided in his genocide of the Christian hated Jews.

Regards
DL

 

[zaangalewa]

The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history.

This is all I need to know from you

You know less than nothing about me. And I'm sure you will continue now to find out less than nothing.

to determine that you are a fool

A Christian rule says: "Never call someone a godless fool". There are reasons for - although your god is only your frustrated subego, your weak ego and your strong superego.

and know nothing of justice.

I "know" that justice is not existing in this world here - and the same time I "know": no one is able to live without justice. A dilemma, which no one is able to solve within the formal systems, which the English speaking world calls "system of justice", who tries not to find justice (and grace).

Religions are what taught Hitler his trade

His what? And do you really try to tell now a German with Jewish roots something about Adolf Hitler?

and the Church aided in his genocide of the Christian hated Jews.

Regards
DL

Strange. Very very strange. And very stupid too. ... And you will not be shy to continue with much more stupidities now. What I don't know is why to argue with stupidities is so important in the English speaking world.

 

[LittleNipper]

It seems to me that there were Christians in Germany that were arrested for aiding Jews. And there were Christians among the soldiers of the United Kingdom, Canada, the United States, and many among the conquered nations of Europe who fought against the Axis powers. It has always been the so-called reformer and "do-gooders" who allowed evil to gain a foothold until war was inevitable. "Peace in our time" was the motto of whom? It isn't that of the Christians. Never give up, never give up, never give up is what Christians stand for until Christ takes us home.

 

[Darkwind]

Driving religion underground is a violation of the Constitution.

 

[GreatestIam]

The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history.

This is all I need to know from you

You know less than nothing about me. And I'm sure you will continue now to find out less than nothing.

to determine that you are a fool

A Christian rule says: "Never call someone a godless fool". There are reasons for - although your god is only your frustrated subego, your weak ego and your strong superego.

and know nothing of justice.

I "know" that justice is not existing in this world here - and the same time I "know": no one is able to live without justice. A dilemma, which no one is able to solve within the formal systems, which the English speaking world calls "system of justice", who tries not to find justice (and grace).

Religions are what taught Hitler his trade

His what? And do you really try to tell now a German with Jewish roots something about Adolf Hitler?

and the Church aided in his genocide of the Christian hated Jews.

Regards
DL

Strange. Very very strange. And very stupid too. ... And you will not be shy to continue with much more stupidities now. What I don't know is why to argue with stupidities is so important in the English speaking world.
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zaangalewa said: ↑
The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history.

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This is all I need to know from you

To know that you are not bright enough for me to bother with.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

It seems to me that there were Christians in Germany that were arrested for aiding Jews. And there were Christians among the soldiers of the United Kingdom, Canada, the United States, and many among the conquered nations of Europe who fought against the Axis powers. It has always been the so-called reformer and "do-gooders" who allowed evil to gain a foothold until war was inevitable. "Peace in our time" was the motto of whom? It isn't that of the Christians. Never give up, never give up, never give up is what Christians stand for until Christ takes us home.

Given the poor morals of Yahweh/Jesus, a genocidal son murdering prick, that home is hell.

You forgot to mention that most of the German's were also Christians and that the Pope was on Hitler's side and even helped run the extermination camps.

Good old Christians.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Driving religion underground is a violation of the Constitution.

Protecting the general population from insult and one-upmanship that creates a lot of violence is against your constitution is it?

BTW, your constitution is garbage as compared to many others. Hence all the amendments.

Regards
DL

 

[Darkwind]

Driving religion underground is a violation of the Constitution.

Protecting the general population from insult and one-upmanship that creates a lot of violence is against your constitution is it?

BTW, your constitution is garbage as compared to many others. Hence all the amendments.

Regards
DL

No one has the right to be protected from insult. My Constitution is the greatest document ever created by humanity and has been the gold standard for freedom loving people the world over.

Enjoy your hatred.

 

[james bond]

Just ban the people who think like the OP and put them on the other side of the wall.

 

[zaangalewa]

The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history.

This is all I need to know from you

You know less than nothing about me. And I'm sure you will continue now to find out less than nothing.

to determine that you are a fool

A Christian rule says: "Never call someone a godless fool". There are reasons for - although your god is only your frustrated subego, your weak ego and your strong superego.

and know nothing of justice.

I "know" that justice is not existing in this world here - and the same time I "know": no one is able to live without justice. A dilemma, which no one is able to solve within the formal systems, which the English speaking world calls "system of justice", who tries not to find justice (and grace).

Religions are what taught Hitler his trade

His what? And do you really try to tell now a German with Jewish roots something about Adolf Hitler?

and the Church aided in his genocide of the Christian hated Jews.

Regards
DL

Strange. Very very strange. And very stupid too. ... And you will not be shy to continue with much more stupidities now. What I don't know is why to argue with stupidities is so important in the English speaking world.
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zaangalewa said: ↑
The inquisitions were always the most modern system of justice in their times of history.

What's a fact. Ask historians. The inquisitions offered always the best chances for a successful defence. Not directly comparable with the situation today - but within the different times of history it was always the best system.

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This is all I need to know from you

To know that you are not bright enough for me to bother with.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Driving religion underground is a violation of the Constitution.

Protecting the general population from insult and one-upmanship that creates a lot of violence is against your constitution is it?

BTW, your constitution is garbage as compared to many others. Hence all the amendments.

Regards
DL

No one has the right to be protected from insult. My Constitution is the greatest document ever created by humanity and has been the gold standard for freedom loving people the world over.

Enjoy your hatred.

If a worthy insult, no argument.

It is the religious one-upmanship and hypocritical bragging that creates the harm to society and it has a right to shut the religious down.

If you want to have free speech, earn it.

You might remember that Christianity and Islam are not pro-free speech or equality of all souls, yet here you are supporting them.

If Americans walked their constitutional talk, you might have a point on the veracity of your garbage constitution, but they do not.

Regards
DL