World War III coming in 25 years

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
We're becoming a small, lighter, faster, and quicker military to fight terrorism. It seems like a smart idea. But what about the threat from China? Could 500,000 American troops take on 200 million Chinese troops?

Russia and China, in every sense, are shady. I don't trust them one bit.

Whatever China's current number, it will amount to 1 million when used. That many will be quite an interesting number when there are no females in the populace to have relieved the testosterone build up.

 

[preemptingyou03]

Why only 1 million? I'm sure it'd be higher.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
Why only 1 million? I'm sure it'd be higher.

You would roll yer eyes.

-Biblical. Gog-Magog war.

 

[preemptingyou03]

So China, a country with 1.6 billion people, a country that boasts a possible 200 million man army, would shrink it's military to 1 million troops at the height of World War III?

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
So China, a country with 1.6 billion people, a country that boasts a possible 200 million man army, would shrink it's military to 1 million troops at the height of World War III?

1 million will march, anyway. That will probably mean the total number of people in action is 1 million.

The rest may be for guarding the homestead.

How do we know nothing will happen to affect the number able to march BEFORE then?

It isn't MY theory. All I can say is the scenario was written a long time ago, and we have just a little bit of time left. Anything can happen.

 

[preemptingyou03]

Yea, it's their homeland I'm worried about. Liberating the nations they've attacked would be easier than the actual invasion of mainland China.

I've read though on internet sites that it was Biblical that China sent 200 million men to fight.

Regardless, I think we can agree that Russia and China would be a tad different than Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[_dmp_]

In China's army manual, it states how to defeat the Americans.

What the hell does THAT mean? As if China, or ANY Army, would have 'ONE' manual which covers EVERYTHING.


Here's a new flash, Nostradamus...

Our Army, up until recently, trained to fight against SOVIET DOCTRINE. We practiced plans we thought would counter wave after wave of Soviet Armour rolling thru Fulda, Germany.

I'd wager EVERY country has military manuals on 'doctrine' which cater do fighting different doctrines.

 

[preemptingyou03]

I hope that isn't a picture of you.

It was taken out of context. China and Russia have been actively preparing for war against us, running drills, putting forth strategies.

If we are their enemy... aren't they ours?

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
I hope that isn't a picture of you.

It was taken out of context. China and Russia have been actively preparing for war against us, running drills, putting forth strategies.

If we are their enemy... aren't they ours?

Where's your evidence to show China and Russia have been actively preparing for war against the United States.

TRAINING to fight against many styles of enemies is the best way...That's how we train. Doesn't mean we are 'planning to attack'...more correctly, we are 'planning how to fight IF we have to attack'.

 

[preemptingyou03]

I am going to paraphrase.

It was on newsmax.com, reviewing all the things China and Russia have done covertly to prepare for war.

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
I am going to paraphrase.

It was on newsmax.com, reviewing all the things China and Russia have done covertly to prepare for war.

because Newsmax sits on the Readiness and Training counsel of BOTH countries' armed forces.


I see...

Here - this guy has something you need. It'll help them from stealing the thoughts in your mind

 

[preemptingyou03]

Russian War Preparations

Moscow has outfitted hundreds of fighter-bombers with additional fuel tanks and in-flight refueling capability, augmenting Russia's intercontinental strike capability.

Russia has been constructing large numbers of military transport aircraft for foreign customers who do not exist.

Russia has been building and accumulating dry docks even though, at the moment, no foreign customers for them exist.

Russia has recently fielded a new battle tank; a new state-of-the-art fighter; super-quiet submarines which can engage sea, land and air targets simultaneously; a new attack helicopter and sniper rifle.

Russia has developed a revolutionary new rifle-fired infantry weapon, the so-called vacuum grenade, which can give a single Russian soldier the firepower of a 155mm howitzer. Russia has begun joint production of this weapon with the Chinese.

Russia now emphasizes the production of mobile ICBMs like the Topol-M, which are designed to evade satellite detection, permitting the Russians to cheat on arms control agreements.

Russia continues to develop biological and chemical weapons, sometimes with the use of U.S. funds. According to recent defectors, Russia is now working on a super-plague weapon.

Russian diplomacy is clearly attempting to build an anti-American alliance which includes countries like China, North Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, South Africa, Syria, Venezuela, Vietnam, Iran and India.

Russian Spetsnaz commandos continue to train with suitcase nukes against U.S. targets.

Russia is hoarding strategic metals which are vital for keeping up war production through the first months of a nuclear world war.

Russia is importing more food than needed for domestic consumption. At the same time, Russia has constructed huge underground nuclear-proof food storage facilities.

Russia has developed an impressive engineering rescue capability, organized into special military formations positioned outside large cities, for rescuing citizens trapped beneath rubble in the event of a nuclear attack.

Recent Russian movies and pop songs depict Americans as stupid animals who deserve to die. In keeping with this theme, NATO is depicted as an aggressive alliance, sometimes likened to Hitler's Third Reich.

Russia is building huge underground cities, like the one at Yamantau Mountain in the Urals. These cities are built more than a thousand feet into the earth and are able to withstand direct nuclear attack.

Russia has been modernizing nuclear bunkers located beneath Moscow.

Russia has erected a system of national missile defense far beyond that allowed by the 1972 ABM Treaty. Deploying approximately 10,000 dual-purpose mobile SAM/ABMs, Russia has used a loophole in the treaty to provide a powerful missile shield. Using a common-sense approach to ABM defense, Russia's interceptor missiles employ special nuclear warheads that can destroy incoming warheads without having to score a direct head-on hit.

Russia is also ahead of the United States in directed energy weapons that could be used to blind or destroy U.S. early warning satellites.

Many of Russia's mafia organizations operate in collaboration with, or under the supervision of, military intelligence and the state security services. Organized crime is used to penetrate Western banks, technology companies, law enforcement and government. Routes used for smuggling drugs and other contraband are reserved in wartime for bringing biological, chemical and nuclear weapons into the U.S.

Chinese War Preparations

Civil defense drills began in major Chinese cities around July 2000.

Chinese military commanders have been told that nuclear war with America could begin at any time.

China has been developing and deploying new road-mobile long range missiles like the DF-31 and DF-41.

China is modernizing its navy, purchasing advanced Russian warships and missiles capable of sinking U.S. carriers.

China has been rapidly building a large store of advanced nuclear warheads.

China has positioned bases to block the main western entry point into the Pacific, and has acquired indirect control of the Panama Canal through front companies.

China has formed military ties with Cuba and Venezuela.

China has also penetrated Sudan, and is spreading missile and nuclear technology to rogue states in Africa and the Middle East.

China has massed troops, aircraft, ships and missiles opposite Taiwan.

China has engaged in war exercises during which U.S. forces in the Pacific were targeted by Chinese forces.

American War Preparations (for the big boys, not terrorists)

No civil defense.

No national missile defense.

No road or rail-mobile ICBMs.

Abandonment of the Panama Canal.

U.S. officials have allowed nuclear warhead secrets to leak out to China.

The U.S. pays Russia billions of dollars to encourage disarmament measures, but these billions are diverted to Russian war preparations.

The U.S. Navy is short of fuel.

The U.S. Army is short of recruits and officers, and has only 10 divisions, with 8 of them unfit for combat.

The U.S. Air Force is facing pilot shortages, and many aircraft remain grounded for lack of spare parts.

Only 18 ballistic missile submarines remain in the U.S. Navy, with only 9 at sea on any given day.

America's ballistic missile submarine commanders no longer have the launch codes to fire their nuclear weapons, but must rely on the president to send them the launch codes in the event of a war emergency.

Shop until you drop.

Wave good-bye to your country.

Say hello to your new landlord, Mr. Wang or Mr. Brivinich.

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
Russian War Preparations

Moscow has outfitted hundreds of fighter-bombers with additional fuel tanks and in-flight refueling capability, augmenting Russia's intercontinental strike capability.

Russia has been constructing large numbers of military transport aircraft for foreign customers who do not exist.

Russia has been building and accumulating dry docks even though, at the moment, no foreign customers for them exist.

Russia has recently fielded a new battle tank; a new state-of-the-art fighter; super-quiet submarines which can engage sea, land and air targets simultaneously; a new attack helicopter and sniper rifle.

Russia has developed a revolutionary new rifle-fired infantry weapon, the so-called vacuum grenade, which can give a single Russian soldier the firepower of a 155mm howitzer. Russia has begun joint production of this weapon with the Chinese.

Russia now emphasizes the production of mobile ICBMs like the Topol-M, which are designed to evade satellite detection, permitting the Russians to cheat on arms control agreements.

Russia continues to develop biological and chemical weapons, sometimes with the use of U.S. funds. According to recent defectors, Russia is now working on a super-plague weapon.

Russian diplomacy is clearly attempting to build an anti-American alliance which includes countries like China, North Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Libya, South Africa, Syria, Venezuela, Vietnam, Iran and India.

Russian Spetsnaz commandos continue to train with suitcase nukes against U.S. targets.

Russia is hoarding strategic metals which are vital for keeping up war production through the first months of a nuclear world war.

Russia is importing more food than needed for domestic consumption. At the same time, Russia has constructed huge underground nuclear-proof food storage facilities.

Russia has developed an impressive engineering rescue capability, organized into special military formations positioned outside large cities, for rescuing citizens trapped beneath rubble in the event of a nuclear attack.

Recent Russian movies and pop songs depict Americans as stupid animals who deserve to die. In keeping with this theme, NATO is depicted as an aggressive alliance, sometimes likened to Hitler's Third Reich.

Russia is building huge underground cities, like the one at Yamantau Mountain in the Urals. These cities are built more than a thousand feet into the earth and are able to withstand direct nuclear attack.

Russia has been modernizing nuclear bunkers located beneath Moscow.

Russia has erected a system of national missile defense far beyond that allowed by the 1972 ABM Treaty. Deploying approximately 10,000 dual-purpose mobile SAM/ABMs, Russia has used a loophole in the treaty to provide a powerful missile shield. Using a common-sense approach to ABM defense, Russia's interceptor missiles employ special nuclear warheads that can destroy incoming warheads without having to score a direct head-on hit.

Russia is also ahead of the United States in directed energy weapons that could be used to blind or destroy U.S. early warning satellites.

Many of Russia's mafia organizations operate in collaboration with, or under the supervision of, military intelligence and the state security services. Organized crime is used to penetrate Western banks, technology companies, law enforcement and government. Routes used for smuggling drugs and other contraband are reserved in wartime for bringing biological, chemical and nuclear weapons into the U.S.

Chinese War Preparations

Civil defense drills began in major Chinese cities around July 2000.

Chinese military commanders have been told that nuclear war with America could begin at any time.

China has been developing and deploying new road-mobile long range missiles like the DF-31 and DF-41.

China is modernizing its navy, purchasing advanced Russian warships and missiles capable of sinking U.S. carriers.

China has been rapidly building a large store of advanced nuclear warheads.

China has positioned bases to block the main western entry point into the Pacific, and has acquired indirect control of the Panama Canal through front companies.

China has formed military ties with Cuba and Venezuela.

China has also penetrated Sudan, and is spreading missile and nuclear technology to rogue states in Africa and the Middle East.

China has massed troops, aircraft, ships and missiles opposite Taiwan.

China has engaged in war exercises during which U.S. forces in the Pacific were targeted by Chinese forces.

American War Preparations (for the big boys, not terrorists)

No civil defense.

No national missile defense.

No road or rail-mobile ICBMs.

Abandonment of the Panama Canal.

U.S. officials have allowed nuclear warhead secrets to leak out to China.

The U.S. pays Russia billions of dollars to encourage disarmament measures, but these billions are diverted to Russian war preparations.

The U.S. Navy is short of fuel.

The U.S. Army is short of recruits and officers, and has only 10 divisions, with 8 of them unfit for combat.

The U.S. Air Force is facing pilot shortages, and many aircraft remain grounded for lack of spare parts.

Only 18 ballistic missile submarines remain in the U.S. Navy, with only 9 at sea on any given day.

America's ballistic missile submarine commanders no longer have the launch codes to fire their nuclear weapons, but must rely on the president to send them the launch codes in the event of a war emergency.

Shop until you drop.

Wave good-bye to your country.

Say hello to your new landlord, Mr. Wang or Mr. Brivinich.

859 words of Horse Shit.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by dmp
because Newsmax sits on the Readiness and Training counsel of BOTH countries' armed forces.


I see...

Here - this guy has something you need. It'll help them from stealing the thoughts in your mind

Mine is in the shape of the old-style McDonalds hat.

I think I mentioned it sits on my monitor at work.

That way I can always ask...."Do you want fries with that?"

 

[preemptingyou03]

What is your problem? Honestly? Why can't you see the fact that democracy in the Middle East is not what China wants? Why can't you see the realization that a coup in Moscow isn't unrealistic?

Russia now is where Germany was in the 1920s. Economically pissed off. China is where Japan was in the 1920s. Ready to pounce on its neighbors.

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
What is your problem? Honestly? Why can't you see the fact that democracy in the Middle East is not what China wants? Why can't you see the realization that a coup in Moscow isn't unrealistic?

Russia now is where Germany was in the 1920s. Economically pissed off. China is where Japan was in the 1920s. Ready to pounce on its neighbors.

My problem is that I am driven by Common sense and Data. Your theories violate the "data" rule easily...you provided none. Your theories violate the "common sense" to a lesser degree.

Please explain how Russia today is like post WWI Germany.

(shrug).

 

[preemptingyou03]

In 1933, Churchill wanted to invade Germany. He was called a warmonger. He was alone. By 1945, millions of people dead later, he was vindicated.

In 1945, General Patton wanted us to invade Russia.

He was called a warmonger.

He died in 1947.

In 1949, Russia tested its first nuclear bomb. We fought in Korea, Vietnam to fight communism. We risked nuclear war for over 40 years. We engaged in a nuclear arms race and nuclear weapons are all over the world today... in rogue states, too.

Had we prolonged WWII by 6 months, invaded Russia, and listened to Patton, none of those events would have happened.

My "theories" make sense politically, economically, and historically. I hope it doesn't happen. But we're seeing signs of it now.

I'm not saying Russia will attack us tomorrow. I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow. I'm saying events in the Middle East and in Europe, over the next two or three decades, will lead to the inflamation of communism from Two Empires: Russia and China.

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
In 1933, Churchill wanted to invade Germany. He was called a warmonger. He was alone. By 1945, millions of people dead later, he was vindicated.

In 1945, General Patton wanted us to invade Russia.

He was called a warmonger.

He died in 1947.

In 1949, Russia tested its first nuclear bomb. We fought in Korea, Vietnam to fight communism. We risked nuclear war for over 40 years. We engaged in a nuclear arms race and nuclear weapons are all over the world today... in rogue states, too.

Had we prolonged WWII by 6 months, invaded Russia, and listened to Patton, none of those events would have happened.

My "theories" make sense politically, economically, and historically. I hope it doesn't happen. But we're seeing signs of it now.

I'm not saying Russia will attack us tomorrow. I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow. I'm saying events in the Middle East and in Europe, over the next two or three decades, will lead to the inflamation of communism from Two Empires: Russia and China.

That is not drawing comparisons between Today's Russia and 1920s Germany. That was you reciting the wishes of leaders. Your theories don't make sense politically nor economically. Russia does NOT have the economy to maintain the forces they already have. It'd be impossilbe to equip and mobilize a force large enough to do substantial battle.

Do some research, bro.

 

[preemptingyou03]

Russia is post-WWI Germany in one sense: economically pissed off.

Russia was communist from 1917 until 1989 or so. It has become a capitalist country. It's economy now, is not strong. The invasion of Iraq opened sanctions from there. Iraq can now produce all of it's oil and sell it cheap to neighbors. Not only did Russia lose military and oil contracts with Saddam, it is losing the oil contracts to future Iraqi oil exports.

The war in Iraq was justified and the War on Terror is important. But fighting terrorism is helping the 22 Arab dictatorships reform into capitalist wealthy nations. This does not help the contracts that Russia and China had with these Arab puppets.

Also, Europe is deciding now between the EU and DC. The UK and Italy will most likely ally themselves more with us in the War on Terror than with France. That's good. But what happens when British and Italian businesses are thriving... and Russian businesses aren't?

Russia and China will view the democratization of the Middle East as a threat to their economy, just like Hitler felt the Allies economically made Germany pay too much for WWI.

 

[preemptingyou03]

I didn't see where you asked me to compare Russia and Germany until after I posted that post.

(shrug)