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[manu1959]

steel does not need to melt to fail.....just like wood does not need to burn to ash for a house to colapse...noone but the press and the left claim the jet fuel "melted" the steel...the jet and the fuel blew up several floors of the building .... set the building on fire....started a fire .... cut all the life safety systems....caused the steel trusses to sag pulling them away from the permiter structural skin .... releasing the stored energy in the floors above....pancake....

no link to your source

 

[red states rule]

If this went though a court with an imparsial judge and jury they would conclude at the very least. The planes did not and could not have brought the towers down. and at the most, the certain people in the us government are guilty of mass murder.
lets say for arguments sake, it was a government plot.
And that it was proved, in a court.
Most americans would refuse to accept it, and would call for the head of the judge, calling him a terroist.
a deomcacy is not healthy if you do not question authoity, unfortuantly americans are so nationalistic they think questioning the government is unpatriotic. This is very simular to russia where people are unwilling to question the FSB.
us and russia with lots in common, ha

There is one born every second and they make useful idiots for the terrorists and the Dems

 

[sitarro]

Buildings are not designed to withstand the impact of a 747. Jet fuel is a pretty good accelerant, and everything inside offices is flammable. Only the concrete and steel of the structure itself is not.

According to Wikipedia......

The 2 aircraft used against the World Trade Center Towers were both Boeing 767-200 series. They hold just under 24,000 gallons of high grade Kerosene (Jet fuel). With a length of 159 feet, a wingspan of 156 feet and a takeoff weight of 395,000 pounds, this is a very large missle. Flt. 11 was traveling at approx. 470 miles per hour when it hit the northern facade of the first tower taking out the 94th-98th floors. Flt. 175 was going even faster having an obvious target, an estimated 590 miles per hour! It took out the southern facade of Tower 2, floors 78-84.

Both aircraft had their transponders turned off making it very hard to identify the aircraft. Flt 11 had the most warning for NORAD at 9 minutes, not enough time to do anything.

No buildings have been designed to take that type of hit. The energy produced by a 390,000 pound object hitting a stationary object at almost 600 miles per hour is astronomical. Add 24,000 gallons of kerosene with a low evaporation rate compared to gasoline and there is plenty of accelerant to ignite everything left in those buildings from furniture to carpet, computers, partitions, etc. One literally has to be an idiot to not understand how incredible it is that those buildings remained standing as long as they did, especially considering the unorthodox structural design by Minoru Yamasaki. Not to mention any hidden structural damage that may have occured in the 93 bombings.

It is amazing how well these crimes were pulled off, it certainly isn't an easy thing to hit a building at sea level flying at 500+ miles per hour, no matter how big they are. Picking flights going across the country so they would be full of fuel was a no brainer but choosing aircraft the size of the 767 was a must for largest initial damage, anything else was gravy. By choosing the Boston airport for takeoff it gave them time to take over the aircraft, build up speed and get a feel for the aircraft before the hits. Our lax security and the lack of hijackers ever trying such an act made it possible.They will never again have it so easy, not here.

 

[eots]

According to Wikipedia......

The 2 aircraft used against the World Trade Center Towers were both Boeing 767-200 series. They hold just under 24,000 gallons of high grade Kerosene (Jet fuel). With a length of 159 feet, a wingspan of 156 feet and a takeoff weight of 395,000 pounds, this is a very large missle. Flt. 11 was traveling at approx. 470 miles per hour when it hit the northern facade of the first tower taking out the 94th-98th floors. Flt. 175 was going even faster having an obvious target, an estimated 590 miles per hour! It took out the southern facade of Tower 2, floors 78-84.

Both aircraft had their transponders turned off making it very hard to identify the aircraft. Flt 11 had the most warning for NORAD at 9 minutes, not enough time to do anything.

No buildings have been designed to take that type of hit. The energy produced by a 390,000 pound object hitting a stationary object at almost 600 miles per hour is astronomical. Add 24,000 gallons of kerosene with a low evaporation rate compared to gasoline and there is plenty of accelerant to ignite everything left in those buildings from furniture to carpet, computers, partitions, etc. One literally has to be an idiot to not understand how incredible it is that those buildings remained standing as long as they did, especially considering the unorthodox structural design by Minoru Yamasaki. Not to mention any hidden structural damage that may have occured in the 93 bombings.

It is amazing how well these crimes were pulled off, it certainly isn't an easy thing to hit a building at sea level flying at 500+ miles per hour, no matter how big they are. Picking flights going across the country so they would be full of fuel was a no brainer but choosing aircraft the size of the 767 was a must for largest initial damage, anything else was gravy. By choosing the Boston airport for takeoff it gave them time to take over the aircraft, build up speed and get a feel for the aircraft before the hits. Our lax security and the lack of hijackers ever trying such an act made it possible.They will never again have it so easy, not here.

there are so many lies and distortions in the above its hard to know where to begin

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[jillian]

If this went though a court with an imparsial judge and jury they would conclude at the very least. The planes did not and could not have brought the towers down. and at the most, the certain people in the us government are guilty of mass murder.
lets say for arguments sake, it was a government plot.
And that it was proved, in a court.
Most americans would refuse to accept it, and would call for the head of the judge, calling him a terroist.
a deomcacy is not healthy if you do not question authoity, unfortuantly americans are so nationalistic they think questioning the government is unpatriotic. This is very simular to russia where people are unwilling to question the FSB.
us and russia with lots in common, ha

I suppose the plane that went past my friend's Greenwich Village apartment window was a figment of his imagination.

 

[jillian]

I just remember how freaky it was to look from the Williamsburg bridge and see blue sky peeking out from where the first tower had been. It is hard for me to believe that from the first black gash in the tower (early that morning), the whole thing could have fallen. There must have been accelerants inside the building or on the plane.

I'm no friend of this admin, but this type of speculation really is silly. The planes had just been fueled. When the jet fuel went down the elevator shafts, it burned so hot that it melted the buildings' supports. I may not be saying that exactly right in terms of the engineering reasons, but it really isn't that complex.

 

[eots]

nobody said there was not planes but that these plane strikes would not
cause three buildings to collapse in the manner in which they did , that it was not a Intel failure that allowed 911 to occur and there are a lot of high ranking CIA ,FBI ,physicist and scientist that conclude the same

 

[manu1959]

nobody said there was not planes but that these plane strikes would not
cause three buildings to collapse in the manner in which they did , that it was not a Intel failure that allowed 911 to occur and there are a lot of high ranking CIA ,FBI ,physicist and scientist that conclude the same

proof where is the proof.....speculation and guesses and conjecture....show me deep throat and i will listen

 

[eots]

I'm no friend of this admin, but this type of speculation really is silly. The planes had just been fueled. When the jet fuel went down the elevator shafts, it burned so hot that it melted the buildings' supports. I may not be saying that exactly right in terms of the engineering reasons, but it really isn't that complex.

Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250ºC… Only two core column specimens had sufficient paint remaining to make such an analysis, and their temperatures did not reach 250 ºC. … Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC. (NIST, 2005, pp. 176-177; emphasis added





THE ONLY THING THATS SILLY ARE YOUR ASSUMPTIONS





Kevin Ryan’s objections regarding the NIST study. Kevin Ryan, at the time a manager at Underwriters Laboratories (UL), makes a point of the non-collapse of actual WTC-based models in his letter to Frank Gayle of NIST:

As I’m sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year… they suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team… I’m aware of UL’s attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests… indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by… burning [jet fuel, paper, etc.]. (Ryan, 2004)

That models of WTC trusses at Underwriter Laboratories (UL) subjected to fires did NOT fail is also admitted in the final NIST report:

NIST contracted with Underwriters Laboratories, Inc. to conduct tests to obtain information on the fire endurance of trusses like those in the WTC towers…. All four test specimens sustained the maximum design load for approximately 2 hours without collapsing… The Investigation Team was cautious about using these results directly in the formulation of collapse hypotheses. In addition to the scaling issues raised by the test results, the fires in the towers on September 11, and the resulting exposure of the floor systems, were substantially different from the conditions in the test furnaces. Nonetheless, the [empirical test] results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing, for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11. (NIST, 2005, p. 141; emphasis added.)

So how does the NIST team justify the WTC collapses, when actual models fail to collapse and there are zero examples of fire-caused high-rise collapses? Easy, NIST concocted computer-generated hypotheticals for very “severe” cases, called cases B and D (NIST, 2005, pp. 124-138). Of course, the details are rather hidden to us. And they omit consideration of the complete, rapid and symmetrical nature of the collapses.

Indeed, NIST makes the startling admission in a footnote on page 80 of their Final Report:

The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this sequence is referred to as the “probable collapse sequence,” although it does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached…(NIST, 2005, p. 80, fn. 12; emphasis added.)

Again, on page 142, NIST admits that their computer simulation only proceeds until the building is “poised for collapse”, thus ignoring any data from that time on.

The results were a simulation of the structural deterioration of each tower from the time of aircraft impact to the time at which the building became unstable, i.e., was poised for collapse. …(NIST, 2005, p. 142; emphasis added.)


What about the subsequent complete, rapid and symmetrical collapse of the buildings? What about the observed squibs? What about the antenna dropping first in the North Tower? What about the molten metal observed in the basement areas in large pools in both Towers and WTC 7 as well? Never mind all that: NIST did not discuss at all any data after the buildings were “poised for collapse.” Well, some of us want to look at ALL the data, without computer simulations that are “adjusted,” perhaps to make them fit the desired outcome.

13. Kevin Ryan, the whistleblower from Underwriters Laboratories, did his own statistical analysis in a recent letter regarding the NIST report, arguing that probabilities of collapse-initiation needed to be calculated (Ryan, 2005). NIST nowhere provides such a likelihood analysis for their non-explosive collapse model. Ryan’s analysis is that the probability that fires and damage (the “official theory”) could cause the Towers complete collapse is less than one in a trillion, and the probability is much less still when the complete collapse of WTC7 is included (Ryan, 2005). Nor does NIST (or FEMA or the 9-11 Commission) even mention the molten metals found in the basements of all three buildings (WTC 1, 2 and 7).

So where does that leave us? I strongly agree with Kevin Ryan,

This [”official”] story just does not add up…. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans…. There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. (Ryan, 2004; emphasis added.)


14. The NIST team fairly admits that their report “does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached.” (NIST, 2005, p. 80, fn. 1; emphasis added.) Quite a confession, since much of the external evidence for explosive demolition typically comes after collapse initiation, as seen in cases of acknowledged controlled demolition. (Harris, 2000.)

The rapid fall of the Towers and WTC7 has been analyzed by several engineers/scientists (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html; Griffin, 2004, chapter 2). The roof of WTC 7 (students and I are observing the southwest corner) falls to earth in less than 6.6 seconds, while an object dropped from the roof would hit the ground in 6.0 seconds. This follows from t = (2H/g)1/2. Likewise, the Towers fall very rapidly to the ground, with the upper part falling nearly as rapidly as ejected debris which provide free-fall references (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html; Griffin, 2004, chapter 2). Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum — one of the foundational Laws of Physics? That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. If the central support columns remained standing, then the effective resistive mass would be less, but this is not the case — somehow the enormous support columns failed/disintegrated along with the falling floor pans.


How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings? The contradiction is ignored by FEMA, NIST and 9-11 Commission reports where conservation of momentum and the fall times were not analyzed. The paradox is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly remove lower-floor material including steel support columns and allow near free-fall-speed collapses (Harris, 2000).

And these explosives also readily account for the turning of the falling Towers to fine dust as the collapse ensues. Rather than a piling up with shattering of concrete as we might expect from non-explosive-caused progressive collapse (”official theory”), we find that most of the Towers material (concrete, carpet, steel, etc.) is converted to flour-like powder WHILE the buildings are falling. The Towers’ collapses are not a typical implosions, but quite possibly series of “shock-and-awe” explosions — at least the evidence points strongly in this direction. The hypothesis ought to be explored further.

Those who wish to preserve as inviolate fundamental physical laws may wish to take a closer look. Consider the collapse of the South WTC Tower on 9-11: http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/south_tower_collapse.mpeg

 

[sitarro]

check this video out eots..... a demolition expert revues the Towers falling and gives his expert views.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/45A9...wers-were-not-demolished-with-explosives.aspx

 

[Lefty Wilbury]

from now on don't feed the trolls people just post: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

end of story.

 

[eots]

check this video out eots..... a demolition expert revues the Towers falling and gives his expert views.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/45A9...wers-were-not-demolished-with-explosives.aspx

thats hilarious that is a small part of the whole movie believe me i have watched them all and when they show the expert building 7 falling he says
"now see this is what i Am talking about now this building 7 is a classical controlled demolition" when told it was not he was shocked and said that is not possible and in light of that knowledge i would need to take a closer look at the towers" he was also unaware of the molten metal and other anomalies. I will find the full film and post it if you like , in the meantime check this out


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[eots]

from now on don't feed the trolls people just post: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

end of story.

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[insein]

Fools will believe whatever they want to. Its much harder to be a conspiracy theorist though. Always ahving to prove the unprovable with nothing more then conjecture and hearsay.

 

[eots]

Fools will believe whatever they want to. Its much harder to be a conspiracy theorist though. Always ahving to prove the unprovable with nothing more then conjecture and hearsay.

bhaaa bhaaaaa bhaaa said the sheeple...you said nothing its just a empty
statement

Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research
Americans Question Bush on 9/11 Intelligence
October 14, 2006
- Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002



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Zogby's poll was the first of its kind on attitudes regarding federal complicity in the terrorist attacks against Manhattan. Nearly one-third of New York republicans, and 38 percent of self-described "very" conservative voters support the assertion that the White House knew in advance.

What was not asked or addressed by the poll is whether or not voters thought these attacks were planned on an election day in New York City.... for had they been staged specifically for election day and not a busier Monday morning; not only would many voters be late for work on Tuesday (to vote,) but the resulting attack meant fewer deaths. Election day was cut short due to the 911 attacks, voting locations were closed late morning and the election was later rescheduled.

Sixty-four percent of New Yorkers believe the 911 Commission did not answer important questions about what happened on 11 September. Within the five boroughs of New York, nearly 7 in 10 (or 56 percent statewide) call for Congress or Spitzer to open an inquiry.
By THOMAS HARGROVE


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A monumental new scientific opinion poll has emerged which declares that only 16% of people in America now believe the official government explanation of the September 11th 2001 terror attacks.

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington rose from almost a third to almost half over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters of the population.

It took 35 plus years for the majority of Americans to wake up to the fact that the assassination of JFK was a government operation. It has only take five years for MORE Americans to wake up to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job on behalf of the Neoconservative crime syndicate within the US.

Reference to past polls show that in the last five years there has been an explosion in numbers of those who do not buy the official line.

In 2004 a Zogby Poll showed that just over half of New Yorkers believed there was a cover up.

In May of this year another Zogby poll indicated that around half of ALL Americans did not buy the official story.

The latest poll also shows a massive awakening has occurred recently given that previous estimates indicated that around 34% still believed the official story and around 30% were oblivious altogether

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The Nation) This column was written by Christopher Hayes

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According to a July poll conducted by Scripps News Service, one-third of Americans think the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks or intentionally allowed them to happen in order to provide a pretext for war in the Middle East. This is at once alarming and unsurprising. Alarming, because if tens of millions of Americans really believe their government was complicit in the murder of 3,000 of their fellow citizens, they seem remarkably sanguine about this fact. By and large, life continues as before, even though tens of millions of people apparently believe they are being governed by mass murderers. Unsurprising, because the government these Americans suspect of complicity in 9/11 has acquired a justified reputation for deception: weapons of mass destruction, secret prisons, illegal wiretapping. What else are they hiding?

 

[sitarro]

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Immortal technique....more talentless garbage from leeches that pray on brainless lazy assed idiots. These propaganda spreading punks that wouldn't know truth if it slapped their useless faces. If you had even a shred of credibility eots, it was flushed down the toilet with your recommendation of this crap. Pathetic.

 

[eots]

sometimes the truth is shocking and disturbing I understand

 

[insein]

sometimes the truth is shocking and disturbing I understand

Yea like the fact that 19 arab men were able to hijack 4 planes and crash them into buildings (one unsuccesfully). Of course that truth isnt shocking enough to you. Or perhaps that just doesnt fit your agenda of global conspiracies.

All this "evidence" by "impartial" people to prove your point is all conjecture and hearsay. Exactly why NO ONE can prove it in a court of law or has even tried to. You have yet to prove to me the motive for such an action occurring. What would the government have to gain by killing 3000 Americans? If they truly did plan it, then it would only be a matter of time before they are found out. Then the people would lose all faith in the government whatsoever and rise up. So what possible reason would the government take such an enormous gamble? What reward could be so enormously great that they would be willing to throw away their whole power structure by killing its own citizens? No conspiracy theorist has yet to show me a plausible motive that has this reward. Can you?

 

[sitarro]

Yea like the fact that 19 arab men were able to hijack 4 planes and crash them into buildings (one unsuccesfully). Of course that truth isnt shocking enough to you. Or perhaps that just doesnt fit your agenda of global conspiracies.

All this "evidence" by "impartial" people to prove your point is all conjecture and hearsay. Exactly why NO ONE can prove it in a court of law or has even tried to. You have yet to prove to me the motive for such an action occurring. What would the government have to gain by killing 3000 Americans? If they truly did plan it, then it would only be a matter of time before they are found out. Then the people would lose all faith in the government whatsoever and rise up. So what possible reason would the government take such an enormous gamble? What reward could be so enormously great that they would be willing to throw away their whole power structure by killing its own citizens? No conspiracy theorist has yet to show me a plausible motive that has this reward. Can you?

Not to mention the enormous amount of people involved to pull it off, how do you keep them all silent?

 

[insein]

Not to mention the enormous amount of people involved to pull it off, how do you keep them all silent?

The amount of people would be daunting but doable. ITs the motive i don't get. If they really wanted to invade Iraq for oil (as many have claimed), they could have just brought the charges against Saddam based on broken UN sanctions. If they wanted to gain larger control of the population's personal freedoms, they've been doing that for years. They didnt need to kill 3000 people to do it. Hell they would have more to gain by not having a 9/11 and just continue to go about making laws that no one pays attention to.

Conspiracy theories are merely another political tool that some like to use to manipulate the weak-minded. Those people always think that something elaborate and devious had to have happened so they will readily believe someone's halfbaked idea of conspiracy without much proof. Its like the moon landing. Millions belive it happened but an isolated few say it was all fake. So with no one bothering to give these morons the time of day, they go unopposed and gain support the further away from the event we get. Same with Pearl Harbor. People are willing to believe whatever in order to support their ideas. In this case, the idea is that the US government is evil and is out to get everybody.