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How about burning, I dunno... GASOLINE?
Why do we have to burn food?
Just dumb.
I dunno, cause gasoline isn't going to be around much longer? We hit peak oil in the 70s and now we are just scrambling for the scraps. Time to stop sucking on the oil teat.
Now...Hemp produces 10 times as much methanol as corn does. Shame we aren't planting hemp crops...
Liar
We use more energy making Ethanol then we get from the Ethanol.
Ethanol Fuel from Corn Faulted as ‘Unsustainable Subsidized Food Burning’
David Pimental, a leading Cornell University agricultural expert, has calculated that powering the average U.S. automobile for one year on ethanol (blended with gasoline) derived from corn would require 11 acres of farmland, the same space needed to grow a year's supply of food for seven people. Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion into ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make one gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTUS. Thus, 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in it. Every time you make one gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTUs.
Mr. Pimentel concluded that "abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuels amounts to unsustainable subsidized food burning".
Ethanol
How about burning, I dunno... GASOLINE?
Why do we have to burn food?
Just dumb.
I dunno, cause gasoline isn't going to be around much longer? We hit peak oil in the 70s and now we are just scrambling for the scraps. Time to stop sucking on the oil teat.
Now...Hemp produces 10 times as much methanol as corn does. Shame we aren't planting hemp crops...
Liar
I dunno, cause gasoline isn't going to be around much longer? We hit peak oil in the 70s and now we are just scrambling for the scraps. Time to stop sucking on the oil teat.
Now...Hemp produces 10 times as much methanol as corn does. Shame we aren't planting hemp crops...
Liar
LOL you beat me to the punch. In the 70s when there was the oil embargo, they said it we hit peak oil. Now that oil prices are increasing they say peak oil by 2020. I think we are coming close to peak oil, but I am not believing any of the environazi claims on it anymore!
We use more energy making Ethanol then we get from the Ethanol.
Ethanol Fuel from Corn Faulted as Unsustainable Subsidized Food Burning
David Pimental, a leading Cornell University agricultural expert, has calculated that powering the average U.S. automobile for one year on ethanol (blended with gasoline) derived from corn would require 11 acres of farmland, the same space needed to grow a year's supply of food for seven people. Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion into ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make one gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTUS. Thus, 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in it. Every time you make one gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTUs.
Mr. Pimentel concluded that "abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuels amounts to unsustainable subsidized food burning".
Ethanol
I've seen this study referenced before. I have a simple study of my own from the get-go about this:
If Ethanol costs more in petro products than it produces, how could it possibly make it to market cheaper than gasoline?
Ya gotta love it... the irrational, almost psychotic hatred of a natural resource (oil) has people demanding that we burn food stuffs (another natural resource) instead of the other natural resource which btw.. we can't eat.
You people make no sense whatsoever.
Ya gotta love it... the irrational, almost psychotic hatred of a natural resource (oil) has people demanding that we burn food stuffs (another natural resource) instead of the other natural resource which btw.. we can't eat.
You people make no sense whatsoever.
I'm not necessarily advocating Ethanol, but you're a fool if you don't realize how closely oil and food are connected. No, you can't eat it. But you can't eat a tractor either... Or fertilizer... But you'll damn sure starve without them.
NEWS FLASH!!! - Ethanol plants produce a co-product. It is called animal feed DDGS (Distillers Dried Grains) You take feed corn to the ethanol plants & you get back both food & fuel!!!
Cattle that would have eaten the corn grain and soybean meal to supplement their diet, now eat distillers grains as that part of their balanced diet. Equal or better performance (rates of gain for beef cattle or milk yield in dairy cows) are usually reported from cows with up to 20% of their diet from distillers grains are compared with control diets.
Ethanol is only made from the starch in the corn. DDGS contain all the protein that was in the corn. Protein is what builds muscle, not starch. Muscles = Hamburger. The corn starch caused methane in cattle that was released into the atmosphere. It was not making beef, hamburgers, steaks or milk. Methane gas is 15 times more powerful of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Now this starch is converted into ethanol instead of methane gas.
Bernanke's printing press is what is driving up cotton, corn, oil & metals prices. All commodities have risen big-time in price. Even the price of water (the most plentiful comodity) is going up.
Ya gotta love it... the irrational, almost psychotic hatred of a natural resource (oil) has people demanding that we burn food stuffs (another natural resource) instead of the other natural resource which btw.. we can't eat.
You people make no sense whatsoever.
I'm not necessarily advocating Ethanol, but you're a fool if you don't realize how closely oil and food are connected. No, you can't eat it. But you can't eat a tractor either... Or fertilizer... But you'll damn sure starve without them.
This justifies constraining oil production and ethanol subsidies how?
I'm not necessarily advocating Ethanol, but you're a fool if you don't realize how closely oil and food are connected. No, you can't eat it. But you can't eat a tractor either... Or fertilizer... But you'll damn sure starve without them.
This justifies constraining oil production and ethanol subsidies how?
Didn't say it did. Just that for all intents and purposes they're one and the same. IF the ethanol program ultimately SAVES oil, we should do it. IF it doesn't as JRoc and others have suggested, we shouldn't.
Anything to sve the environment, even if it means letting people starve.World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian
I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.
Wrong, stupid idea from the get go. Oil is the only way, that is what it is there for. Tree huggers are commies!World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian
I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.
No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.
I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.
But we should keep trying.
NEWS FLASH!!! - Ethanol plants produce a co-product. It is called animal feed DDGS (Distillers Dried Grains) You take feed corn to the ethanol plants & you get back both food & fuel!!!
Cattle that would have eaten the corn grain and soybean meal to supplement their diet, now eat distillers grains as that part of their balanced diet. Equal or better performance (rates of gain for beef cattle or milk yield in dairy cows) are usually reported from cows with up to 20% of their diet from distillers grains are compared with control diets.
Ethanol is only made from the starch in the corn. DDGS contain all the protein that was in the corn. Protein is what builds muscle, not starch. Muscles = Hamburger. The corn starch caused methane in cattle that was released into the atmosphere. It was not making beef, hamburgers, steaks or milk. Methane gas is 15 times more powerful of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Now this starch is converted into ethanol instead of methane gas.
Bernanke's printing press is what is driving up cotton, corn, oil & metals prices. All commodities have risen big-time in price. Even the price of water (the most plentiful comodity) is going up.
I thought cows ate grass.
Obamaturd!Wait... Did you really blame this on me?
How exactly am I stopping you from getting "it"?
By supporting politicians who don't allow us to drill.
Really? What politicians do I support who are stopping us from drilling?
NEWS FLASH!!! - Ethanol plants produce a co-product. It is called animal feed DDGS (Distillers Dried Grains) You take feed corn to the ethanol plants & you get back both food & fuel!!!
Cattle that would have eaten the corn grain and soybean meal to supplement their diet, now eat distillers grains as that part of their balanced diet. Equal or better performance (rates of gain for beef cattle or milk yield in dairy cows) are usually reported from cows with up to 20% of their diet from distillers grains are compared with control diets.
Ethanol is only made from the starch in the corn. DDGS contain all the protein that was in the corn. Protein is what builds muscle, not starch. Muscles = Hamburger. The corn starch caused methane in cattle that was released into the atmosphere. It was not making beef, hamburgers, steaks or milk. Methane gas is 15 times more powerful of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Now this starch is converted into ethanol instead of methane gas.
Bernanke's printing press is what is driving up cotton, corn, oil & metals prices. All commodities have risen big-time in price. Even the price of water (the most plentiful comodity) is going up.
I thought cows ate grass.
I was thinking the same thing! Chickens eat corn and pigs eat slop (whatever that is)!
China has the potential to import a lot more dried distillers' grains with solubles (DDGS) as more feed mills use it to replace maize and protein meals. China's imports of DDGS are likely to exceed 2.8 mln tonnes this year, said Liu Xiaoyu, General Manager at the feed division of COFCO Agri-Trading&Logistics, China's top importer. China imported only 640,000 tonnes in 2009. The Asian country's purchases have slowed recently due to the rise in US maize prices. DDGS has largely been used to replace maize this year because of a lower Chinese harvest and cheap US prices, said Mr Liu. China buys almost all its DDGS from the US. There is a potential market of 8 mln tonnes (of imports) because domestic production growth is slow, Mr Liu estimated.
The Chinese ministry of commerce has said it will begin an investigation into US dumping of livestock feed on China’s farm market...
Local Chinese ethanol producers also want to sell their DDGs, and it is their concerns that are presumably driving this latest investigation. China produces about 3.5 million tonnes of DDGs per year.
China cannot produce enough livestock feed on its own, and has been importing corn, soybeans, and DDGs. It is expected that the country is to import some 3 million metric tons of DDGs this year and as such will be the largest importer of DDGS.
I thought cows ate grass.
I was thinking the same thing! Chickens eat corn and pigs eat slop (whatever that is)!
Slop is basically, garbage. We had a pig farmer that used to come to my grade school and pick up the garbage from lunch.
BTW... cow are fed increasingly more corn these days than grass.
World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian
I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.
No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.
I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.
But we should keep trying.
