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    World reacts angrily
    Tancredo's threats against Muslim holy sites spark criticism

    By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News
    July 20, 2005

    WASHINGTON - From Turkey, from Russia and from the desk of Howard Dean - angry reaction to Rep. Tom Tancredo's threat against Muslim holy sites came from around the world Tuesday.

    In Ankara, Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul blasted Tancredo's comments suggesting the United States could "take out" holy sites, including Mecca, if Islamic terrorists detonated nuclear bombs in U.S. cities.

    "This was nothing but a fanatic speaking completely personally, irresponsibly and without thought of how far his statements would reach or what kind of problems they would create," Gul said, according to an Anatolia news agency report quoted by The Associated Press.

    Despite an international outcry, the Colorado Republican continued to stand by his comments Tuesday, saying he did not intend to offend moderate Muslims during last week's interview with Florida radio talk show host Pat Campbell.

    During the WFLA broadcast, Campbell referred to a report that Islamic terrorists hoped to strike several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons and he asked Tancredo how the United States could respond.

    "Well, what if you said something like - if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

    "You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.

    "Yeah," Tancredo responded.

    He went on to say that he was "just throwing out some ideas" but that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."

    In Moscow, Russian parliament member Konstantin Kosachev denounced the remarks during a news conference.

    "It's quite obvious that statements like the one just made by the U.S. lawmaker play into the terrorists' hands as they stir international strife and may lead to the emergence of new . . . suicide bombers," Kosachev said, according to the Russian news and information agency, Novosti.

    In Washington, State Department spokesman Adam Ereli called Tancredo's remarks "insulting to Islam" and said they do not represent the U.S. government position to "respect the dignity and sanctity of other religions."

    The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Interfaith Alliance added their own denunciations.

    Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, issued a statement calling Tancredo "utterly careless."

    "Remarks threatening the destruction of holy sites akin to the Vatican or Jerusalem do nothing to win the hearts and minds of Muslims in the United States and abroad," Dean said.

    Several groups have demanded that Tancredo apologize, but he rejected that call again Tuesday.

    "One of the things I rail about quite often . . . is this sort of slavish adherence to political correctness that prevents us from talking about the world in which we live in real terms," Tancredo said.

    On a day when he had hoped to be spreading the word about his new immigration reform legislation, he hunkered in his Capitol Hill office writing a lengthy talking-points memo explaining his Mecca comments.

    "Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I believe something good can happen" as a result of the dialogue, Tancredo said. "As we begin to discuss this issue forthrightly and realize the horrendous consequences of continuing on the confrontational path we are on, perhaps we can use this to begin steps in a different direction."

    He hopes his remarks spur moderate Muslims to identify and stop radicals before they get involved in terrorism.

    Ironically, on the day Turkey's foreign minister was blasting Tancredo in Ankara, his country's U.S. ambassador, Osman Faruk Logoglu, had a prearranged meeting to talk to Tancredo about legislation pending in the International Relations Committee.

    They touched on the Mecca comments only briefly, Tancredo said.

    "The guy said, 'You know how these things get spun in the press,' " Tancredo said. "He was being very diplomatic."

    The ambassador's office did not return phone messages seeking comment.

    By the time the day was over, Tancredo had done numerous radio and cable television interviews. While he defended his comments on Fox News, black and white pictures of atomic blasts were shown on the screen.

    Tancredo spokesman Will Adams celebrated his birthday Tuesday while fielding dozens of phone calls from reporters as far away at the United Arab Emirates.

    Again, his boss was unapologetic.

    "He signed up," Tancredo said. "He's in for the duration."

    Tancredo's critics

    Others who have criticized Rep. Tom Tancredo's remarks about Muslim holy sites:

    • Mohammad Noorzai, coordinator of the Colorado Muslim Council

    • The Council on American-Islamic Relations

    • U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli

    • The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee

    • The Interfaith Alliance

    • Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean

    • Online extra: To read a transcript of Tancredo's comments and to listen to the audio, click on Today's links at RockyMountainNews.com.


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    As a bitter old man with no real life options left in front of you, I can see why you wouldn't care if the U.S. pisses off the entire world. You can withdraw to your bunker and draw protection from your family militia.
    The rest of us would enjoy living here a while.
     
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    Moronic, smartass replies from certain parties notwithstanding, it makes me wonder why moslems find this statement so offensive while having no problem whatever with the bombing of the WTC and the murder of over 3000 people. I wonder why they don't get upset at the suicide bombers who murdered and maimed people in London.

    But let one American make a questionable statement and all the ragheads have their asses in the rafters. Let them take their hypocritical double standard and stuff it sideways.
     
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    A great many Muslim group DID express condemnation of the Sept. 11 attacks, the attacks in Spain, the attacks in Bali and the attacks in London. They DO condemn the continued suicide bombings in Iraq.
    The problem is, like I said before, there is NO central Muslim belief. They are fractured into thousands of groups. Some are very peaceful, some are very militant. They have been known to fight amongst each other.
    The news media enjoys focusing on the militant groups. They don't want to hear from the groups that want the militant groups gone.
    The multitude of Muslim clerics are too busy jockeying for position and power to care about the others. They will never unite for any cause, regardless of what anyone says. They haven't agreed on anything for 6,000 years.
    The only true Islamic leader is Allah. And he hasn't been around for a while.
     
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    damn---good post !
     
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    Speaking of living here for a while, did you notice he was talking about a reprisal in the event of a NUCLEAR attack? Me, if we got nuked by terrorists I would turn the entire ME outside of Israel into a sheet of glass.

    Now you see that makes sense. And the only logical argument I can muster is that this is an ISLAMIC issue as much as anything. So if the ISLAMIC peoples cannot unite to solve the problem, they will continue to get lumped in with the bad apples. Before you tell me that my answer is morally wrong, oh well. It is factually correct. And the first part of solving the problem is loading the gun right?
     
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    Excuse me here all you feel good Islamic apologists. There has been absolutely no problem in their communications of Fatwas or jihads. There has been no miscommunications regarding the foreign fighters. There is no problem in saying bin Laden doesn't 'speak' for Islam or that Islam is a 'peaceful religion.' So why the hell is there so many damn problems in saying, "Knock it off or our lands are going to be turned to glass?"
     
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    If you look it who is issuing the fatwas or jihads, it is ALWAYS individual clerics. Who only speak for themselves and not for everyone.
    What everyone STILL refuses to consider is how fractured the Islamic community. If Bush or Blair speak, you know they represent the U.S. and England, as their elected leaders. No one elects a Muslim cleric. They merely seize control.
    They do not have "lands." They have territories. The cleric of a town in Northern Iraq does care squat about the cleric of a town in Southern Iraq. They don't get together for coffee. They don't run around visiting each other like the leaders of the Western World do.

    It's a like a brush fire. You might be fighting hundreds of different lines of fire. If Bush or Blair communicated with one cleric and got him to restrain all his militant opposition, it won't mean squat to the cleric in the next town.
    Instead of trying to destroy Islam as a whole, the West needs to identify which factions are the radical ones, then go after them. It won't be easy, as they can easily get up and move.
     
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    How many is "a great many"?
     
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    I couldn't have said that better myself. I don't care how many factions or triibes or sects or whatever there are of them. The fact is, these good muslims we keep hearing about AIN'T DOING SHIT to police their own ranks.

    While I am not for waging war against those not raising a hand against us, they are the ones who are going to get hurt by THEIR inaction when doubt comes into play. Because when doubt comes into play, so does the SAW.
     

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