Working to cope with climate change

[bobgnote]

Biomass is just another form of carbon when it is burnt and worthless when it is used to replace one form of carbon with another.

America will do what it has been doing since Reagan and sit on the sidelines with global warming and allow all the other countries like China to develop green energy sources and make all the profits while America uses global warming for nothing but campaign donations. In the mean time our children suffer from air born pollution and become weaker with each new generation all because the people world rather play politically correct instead of responsible free thinkers.

The Sierra Club is a load of geeks, riding their thumbs, on timber and nuker donations. You cannot get the Sierra Club, to advocate re-greening, for that reason. You cannot get Al Gore to support legal pot, since he likes to circle-jerk with wingnuts, for money, and they all will come to the foregone conclusion, to construct nuclear power plants.

Look at all the assholes, who don't know biomass digests CO2, when the plant media grows, and the CO2 is released, when it burns, IF it burns! Hemp makes a lot of food and durable products, in addition to fuels.

I had one wing-nut asshole at another site ask why natural gas isn't CO2-neutral. Coal and petroleum are former plant-matter, so they are like CO2-neutral biomass, but to burn THAT is ridiculous, since it can be stored, for later generations to use, wisely, when people are smarter and they burn petroleum cleaner and less egregiously, if at all.

Petroleum is not clean. Petroleum products like gasoline and pesticides are not for huffing, f-tards. Huffing breaks chromosomes. Got B and G cancer? You have been huffing pesticides and car exhaust. Sorry! Clean up.

Why are we not harvesting hemp and switchgrass, when we need to hedge, against CO2-accumulation, which is so bad, never mind how, carbonic acid can destroy the oceanic food chain? Fuck-tard the wing-nut and his pals need to write off their petroleum agendas.

The methane releases accelerate, the CO2 releases accelerate, the warming accelerates, and the acidification accelerates. People are letting this happen, even if fuck-tard people are not the only or primary source, of the pollution. Fuck-tard people will reform or die. No TV works, when you break it, me tardies.

 

[saveliberty]

Its the jet stream shifting around causing weather changes. Thanks for playing.

 

[jack113]

Its the jet stream shifting around causing weather changes. Thanks for playing.

You play the republican denial game well but you are to late and the GOP will not gain power again for many decades.

You science denying freaks should be denied the right to have children just so you can throw them under the bus.

 

[saveliberty]

Suggesting I would harm my kids is just wrong.

 

[jack113]

Biomass is just another form of carbon when it is burnt and worthless when it is used to replace one form of carbon with another.

America will do what it has been doing since Reagan and sit on the sidelines with global warming and allow all the other countries like China to develop green energy sources and make all the profits while America uses global warming for nothing but campaign donations. In the mean time our children suffer from air born pollution and become weaker with each new generation all because the people world rather play politically correct instead of responsible free thinkers.

The Sierra Club is a load of geeks, riding their thumbs, on timber and nuker donations. You cannot get the Sierra Club, to advocate re-greening, for that reason. You cannot get Al Gore to support legal pot, since he likes to circle-jerk with wingnuts, for money, and they all will come to the foregone conclusion, to construct nuclear power plants.

Look at all the assholes, who don't know biomass digests CO2, when the plant media grows, and the CO2 is released, when it burns, IF it burns! Hemp makes a lot of food and durable products, in addition to fuels.

I had one wing-nut asshole at another site ask why natural gas isn't CO2-neutral. Coal and petroleum are former plant-matter, so they are like CO2-neutral biomass, but to burn THAT is ridiculous, since it can be stored, for later generations to use, wisely, when people are smarter and they burn petroleum cleaner and less egregiously, if at all.

Petroleum is not clean. Petroleum products like gasoline and pesticides are not for huffing, f-tards. Huffing breaks chromosomes. Got B and G cancer? You have been huffing pesticides and car exhaust. Sorry! Clean up.

Why are we not harvesting hemp and switchgrass, when we need to hedge, against CO2-accumulation, which is so bad, never mind how, carbonic acid can destroy the oceanic food chain? Fuck-tard the wing-nut and his pals need to write off their petroleum agendas.

The methane releases accelerate, the CO2 releases accelerate, the warming accelerates, and the acidification accelerates. People are letting this happen, even if fuck-tard people are not the only or primary source, of the pollution. Fuck-tard people will reform or die. No TV works, when you break it, me tardies.

Coal. natural gas and oil are all from the same carbon source in different form.

I could care less about the tree hugers wood and paper are a renewable source for many things. Glass is reusable many times over unlike plastic that has to be melted down each time it is used over. Electric cars will be great when we have a green energy supply to support them but for now it just puts a bigger strain on the conventional energy supply that is doing all the damage.

Their are many ways to go green and stop being slaves to the energy cons.

 

[tjvh]

Biomass is just another form of carbon when it is burnt and worthless when it is used to replace one form of carbon with another.

America will do what it has been doing since Reagan and sit on the sidelines with global warming and allow all the other countries like China to develop green energy sources and make all the profits while America uses global warming for nothing but campaign donations. In the mean time our children suffer from air born pollution and become weaker with each new generation all because the people world rather play politically correct instead of responsible free thinkers.

The Sierra Club is a load of geeks, riding their thumbs, on timber and nuker donations. You cannot get the Sierra Club, to advocate re-greening, for that reason. You cannot get Al Gore to support legal pot, since he likes to circle-jerk with wingnuts, for money, and they all will come to the foregone conclusion, to construct nuclear power plants.

Look at all the assholes, who don't know biomass digests CO2, when the plant media grows, and the CO2 is released, when it burns, IF it burns! Hemp makes a lot of food and durable products, in addition to fuels.

I had one wing-nut asshole at another site ask why natural gas isn't CO2-neutral. Coal and petroleum are former plant-matter, so they are like CO2-neutral biomass, but to burn THAT is ridiculous, since it can be stored, for later generations to use, wisely, when people are smarter and they burn petroleum cleaner and less egregiously, if at all.

Petroleum is not clean. Petroleum products like gasoline and pesticides are not for huffing, f-tards. Huffing breaks chromosomes. Got B and G cancer? You have been huffing pesticides and car exhaust. Sorry! Clean up.

Why are we not harvesting hemp and switchgrass, when we need to hedge, against CO2-accumulation, which is so bad, never mind how, carbonic acid can destroy the oceanic food chain? Fuck-tard the wing-nut and his pals need to write off their petroleum agendas.

The methane releases accelerate, the CO2 releases accelerate, the warming accelerates, and the acidification accelerates. People are letting this happen, even if fuck-tard people are not the only or primary source, of the pollution. Fuck-tard people will reform or die. No TV works, when you break it, me tardies.

Coal. natural gas and oil are all from the same carbon source in different form.

I could care less about the tree hugers wood and paper are a renewable source for many things. Glass is reusable many times over unlike plastic that has to be melted down each time it is used over. Electric cars will be great when we have a green energy supply to support them but for now it just puts a bigger strain on the conventional energy supply that is doing all the damage.

Their are many ways to go green and stop being slaves to the energy cons.

Ride a bike, and stay off our overcrowded highways.

 

[Trakar]

Yeah -- all that's roughly correct. But here's the rub. No matter what bio your massing with, you're gonna combust IT or a derivative of IT. So unless you envision the same sequestration for Biomass as you speak of for coal -- it'aint much greener.

Well, it certainly doesn't reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, but burning biomass does not add carbon to the active environmental carbon cycle either. The carbon in biomass comes from the active environmental carbon cycle, the carbon in coal comes from outside the active environmental carbon cycle and increases the amount of carbon in that active cycle. Burning biomass is like taking a cup, dipping it into a filled bathtub and then pouring the water back into the tub. Burning coal is like turning on the faucet and adding more water from the outside into the tub.

Upshot of that govt brain-fart is that now they got coal plants wanting to convert to burning any BioMass they can get their hands on so they don't have to look "dirty" anymore for Al Gore. And they'll get away with this charade as long as the Green groups are as technically f'ked up as they are..

Lawsuits Focus on Biomass Facilities — North Carolina Public Radio WUNC

What does Al Gore have to do with anything? I don't see anything to do with green groups in this linked article, it seems to be about couple of attorneys arguing about a dispute between a power company and a local community.

Those silly greenies just CAN'T make up their little minds --- can they? I'd laugh if it wasn't so seriously f'ked.

See this post linked below for a Sierra Club who once included biomass on it's list of clean green snorky energy..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/225475-total-cost-of-nuclear.html#post5364186

Not sure if it is a link issue or a misunderstanding, but this looks like a video of some sort of (fallacious) assessment of the Japanese reactors damaged by the earthquake/tsunami, I didn't notice anything about Sierra Club or biomass.

Or how about --

FE796/FE796: Fuel Sources and Carbon Dioxide Emissions by Electric Power Plants in the United States

Biomass fuels produced only 0.5 percent of the electricity in 2007and caused 2.7 percent of the CO2 emissions

Again biomass is carbon neutral in that the carbon released in it's combustion came from the atmosphere in the first place, the only possible way that biomass power generation facillities might be slightly non-neutral, is that some designs use natural gas initiators to ignite the biomass in the stoking chamber of the boilers. I suspect, however that this chart simply doesn't distinguish between carbon sources.

Biomass Power and Thermal | Biomassmagazine.com

"Opposition to biomass power plants in Massachusetts is uniquely strong, organized, gifted, qualified, focused and accomplished, I think, in all the world," she says, adding that the idea of biomass being carbon neutral is a "fairy tale."

Certainly sounds like a NIMBY whackadoodle, but I'd be willing to listen to her arguments and examine her references before passing judgement.

It is simply broadbrushstroke silly, however to think that everyone who is confused about the facts or eschewing facts to pursue their own personal issues is or ever has been truely concerned about the climate or the environment.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL

Is this what happens where there's more CO2?

"A TOMATO PLANT AS HIGH AS A 3-STORY BUILDING? That's right!
Japanese physicist Dr. Kei Mori exposed plant life to two of the conditions of the original world ecology - before the Great Flood.

He grew tomato plants under a plastic dome which filtered the ultraviolet rays; and he increased the carbon-dioxide.

After two years, a cherry tomato plant was 16 feet tall, with 903 tomatoes on it. After six years, the same tomato plant was over 30 feet tall and had produced over 5,000 tomatoes.

That tomato plant just didn't want to die. Ask yourself now, How long do tomato plants usually live? Perhaps five or six months? They die of old age, destroyed by ultra-violet radiation.

Beyond the Physical Realm: Conditions of The Original World Ecology - Archaeology Newsflash No. 128 - Jonathan Gray

 

[Trakar]

BTW --- that NRDC statement is absolutely PATHETIC. What a load of spin and BS...

What else do you expect from a room full of lawyers..

Exactly what do you find pathetic, spun or BS?

I would appreciate it if you would list the specific statements that you find objectionable.

NRDC: Renewable Energy for America: Biomass

 

[bobgnote]

He grew his tomato plants under a plastic dome . . .

So he didn't significantly increase the CO2-carbonic acid exchange, in the oceans, did he.

I have yet to get an answer, from any wing-nut, about carbonic acidification, which exceeds: 'Ohhh, carbonic acid, scary!' Wing-nut fuck-tards . . . the Japanese will miss their tuna, when the tuna cannot breed, anymore, due to acid pollution, in the oceans.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He grew his tomato plants under a plastic dome . . .

So he didn't significantly increase the CO2-carbonic acid exchange, in the oceans, did he.

I have yet to get an answer, from any wing-nut, about carbonic acidification, which exceeds: 'Ohhh, carbonic acid, scary!' Wing-nut fuck-tards . . . the Japanese will miss their tuna, when the tuna cannot breed, anymore, due to acid pollution, in the oceans.

I thought Global Warming was causing CO2 to leech OUT of the warmer oceans in a "feedback Loop"

You realize that the "ocean acidification" and "feedback Loop" are mutually exclusive, right?

 

[Trakar]

Biomass is just another form of carbon when it is burnt and worthless when it is used to replace one form of carbon with another.

America will do what it has been doing since Reagan and sit on the sidelines with global warming and allow all the other countries like China to develop green energy sources and make all the profits while America uses global warming for nothing but campaign donations. In the mean time our children suffer from air born pollution and become weaker with each new generation all because the people world rather play politically correct instead of responsible free thinkers.

Biomass - Is Burning It Bad For The Environment? - Biomass - Is Burning It Bad For The Environment? - Global Warming - Zimbio

What is BIOMASS? - What is BIOMASS?

And I did find this from the MA Sierra club, which does explain some of the "non-carbon neutral" statements, and they sound reasonable, but comparing the non-neutral carbon of bio mass to the non-neutral carbon of coal, still leaves biomass as a preferred substitute for coal.

Massachusetts Chapter Sierra Club

Claims of “carbon neutrality” for biomass do not account for externalities and full lifecycle accounting of carbon, including harvesting processing and transportation of fuels. Truckloads of biomass fuel would need to be transported on regional roads, adding to diesel particulate pollution and additional fuel use.

 

[Trakar]

Biomass is just another form of carbon when it is burnt and worthless when it is used to replace one form of carbon with another.

America will do what it has been doing since Reagan and sit on the sidelines with global warming and allow all the other countries like China to develop green energy sources and make all the profits while America uses global warming for nothing but campaign donations. In the mean time our children suffer from air born pollution and become weaker with each new generation all because the people world rather play politically correct instead of responsible free thinkers.

The Sierra Club is a load of geeks, riding their thumbs, on timber and nuker donations. You cannot get the Sierra Club, to advocate re-greening, for that reason. You cannot get Al Gore to support legal pot, since he likes to circle-jerk with wingnuts, for money, and they all will come to the foregone conclusion, to construct nuclear power plants.

Look at all the assholes, who don't know biomass digests CO2, when the plant media grows, and the CO2 is released, when it burns, IF it burns! Hemp makes a lot of food and durable products, in addition to fuels.

I had one wing-nut asshole at another site ask why natural gas isn't CO2-neutral. Coal and petroleum are former plant-matter, so they are like CO2-neutral biomass, but to burn THAT is ridiculous, since it can be stored, for later generations to use, wisely, when people are smarter and they burn petroleum cleaner and less egregiously, if at all.

Petroleum is not clean. Petroleum products like gasoline and pesticides are not for huffing, f-tards. Huffing breaks chromosomes. Got B and G cancer? You have been huffing pesticides and car exhaust. Sorry! Clean up.

Why are we not harvesting hemp and switchgrass, when we need to hedge, against CO2-accumulation, which is so bad, never mind how, carbonic acid can destroy the oceanic food chain? Fuck-tard the wing-nut and his pals need to write off their petroleum agendas.

The methane releases accelerate, the CO2 releases accelerate, the warming accelerates, and the acidification accelerates. People are letting this happen, even if fuck-tard people are not the only or primary source, of the pollution. Fuck-tard people will reform or die. No TV works, when you break it, me tardies.

You have some very peculiar misunderstandings about the world.

 

[Trakar]

Its the jet stream shifting around causing weather changes. Thanks for playing.

Shifting jet streams are one factor in some types of weather, as are the angle of incident sunlight and length of day (most often associated with "season"), whether or not one lives near a large body of water or mountains, etc.,.

Did you have a point?

 

[saveliberty]

Its the jet stream shifting around causing weather changes. Thanks for playing.

Shifting jet streams are one factor in some types of weather, as are the angle of incident sunlight and length of day (most often associated with "season"), whether or not one lives near a large body of water or mountains, etc.,.

Did you have a point?

SUre did. Not sure why you missed it.

 

[saveliberty]

LOL

Is this what happens where there's more CO2?

"A TOMATO PLANT AS HIGH AS A 3-STORY BUILDING? That's right!
Japanese physicist Dr. Kei Mori exposed plant life to two of the conditions of the original world ecology - before the Great Flood.

He grew tomato plants under a plastic dome which filtered the ultraviolet rays; and he increased the carbon-dioxide.

After two years, a cherry tomato plant was 16 feet tall, with 903 tomatoes on it. After six years, the same tomato plant was over 30 feet tall and had produced over 5,000 tomatoes.

That tomato plant just didn't want to die. Ask yourself now, How long do tomato plants usually live? Perhaps five or six months? They die of old age, destroyed by ultra-violet radiation.

Beyond the Physical Realm: Conditions of The Original World Ecology - Archaeology Newsflash No. 128 - Jonathan Gray
Must see!!! CO2 - Massive increase in plant growth!!! And it's not GM from Mon-shit-oh! - YouTube

Winter's a pain too.

 

[saveliberty]

BTW --- that NRDC statement is absolutely PATHETIC. What a load of spin and BS...

What else do you expect from a room full of lawyers..

Exactly what do you find pathetic, spun or BS?

I would appreciate it if you would list the specific statements that you find objectionable.

NRDC: Renewable Energy for America: Biomass

We don't get our oil from the Persian Gulf.

Glosses over the carbon footprint of moving the biomass to a generation plant. Also, most facilities of this type are cogeneration plants.

Biomass must be dried in some cases. That uses energy.

Overlooks many problems that exist currently.

 

[yidnar]

Working to cope with climate change: A guest column by J. Wayne Leonard and Raymond C. Offenheiser
Working to cope with climate change: A guest column by J. Wayne Leonard and Raymond C. Offenheiser | NOLA.com

...When extreme weather hits, communities suffer in myriad ways: homes are destroyed, businesses lost, ecosystems ravaged. As the heads of a national energy company and a global humanitarian organization, we've seen the damages first hand, and engaged in the painstaking and often dangerous work of recovery and restoration. We believe it's time to rally together to recognize the dangers of a changing climate, and to invest in reducing risk and building resilience.

At Entergy, we have a unique perspective on climate change. Our product -- power -- is vital to the public good. Extreme weather puts the reliability of our product at risk, and we must work with our communities to prepare for and respond to these hazards.

At Oxfam, we work to find lasting solutions to global poverty -- and the weather is literally working against us. Of the 820 disasters recorded last year, 90 percent were related to severe weather. Climate change is playing a role in this, and it's the poorest -- at home and around the world -- who are affected most acutely, and find their struggle against poverty increasingly difficult...

...Our country has been slow to accept the reality and risks of climate change. But it is absolutely essential at this point. With Oxfam, Entergy has joined companies representing a range of sectors -- insurance to finance, apparel to food -- to promote the importance of taking action. We believe that responsible business practices and strong policies will help us prepare for and respond to climate change. Failing to act will mean much greater costs later -- in dollars and cents, and in human suffering.

No matter our different perspectives, we end up at the same place: determined to act together to improve our ability to cope with the profound effects of climate change. The choice is ours to make; the time to make it is now.

••••••••

J. Wayne Leonard is CEO of Entergy Corp. and Raymond C. Offenheiser is president of Oxfam America.

climate change is part of nature . it has happened in the past ,present ,and will do so in the future !!! you damn leftist are so arrogant !! you not only want total control of our lives and free market system ,you want to control the weather too !!!

 

[Trakar]

LOL
Is this what happens where there's more CO2?...

In some specific and restricted examples, perhaps, but in general, no.

Climate Change Surprise: High Carbon Dioxide Levels Can Retard Plant Growth, Study Reveals - Climate Change Surprise: High Carbon Dioxide Levels Can Retard Plant Growth, Study Reveals

United States Geological Survey has this video lesson about increased CO2 and plant responses. - Potential Effects of Elevated CO2 and Climate Change on Coastal Wetlands - USGS Multimedia Gallery: (Video)--Potential Effects of Elevated CO2 and Climate Change on Coastal Wetlands

 

[Uncensored2008]

Climate Change Science - Science behind climate change | Entergy

SNIP..

Fuck, y'all are WAY worse than the Jehovah's witnesses and Scientologists.

Take your stupid religion and shove it up your ass.

Seriously.