Working in Groups: Chain Gang Education?

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    "Sometimes, with some students, one technique works better than others."

    This is ridiculous: No teacher is limited to just ONE technique.

    However, lecturing for 45 minutes to students that are less than 15 years old is a pretty poor way of teaching. Try lecturing a 12 year old for 5 minutes, and you'll see what I mean

    5. "...surprised that under any circumstances, even the Valhallah of Learning in Finland, students wouldn't be working in groups

    As a teacher, I simply fucking LOVED giving groupwork to students. Primarily because it was so freakin EASY on me. I could spend an entire HOUR, sitting among one group of 4-5 students, then another, circulating among them all, threatening them with a dreaded 45 minute lecture if they weren't actually accomplishing half of what I wanted...Administrators would visit and walk away happy in the knowedge that Samson's teaching methods were in accordance with District Guidelines.

    Everyone was Happy.

    I really don't think many people know how infrequent this is in Public Schools, and they have no appreciation for it unless they've experienced it.
     
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    A good teacher presents the material, provides guided instruction and then group or individual practice. Activities in my class are changed up every ten or 15 mins. Kids are different now. They cannot attend for 45 mins anymore. The shame is that they are expected to sit for 3 hrs for a state test, or listen to a college professor for 90 mins and they've had no experience with it I don't know what the solution is, but these kids are ill-prepared for much of anything..

    I don't agree with your idea of making high school voluntary, but I do believe we need to provide a different curriculum for the true college bound kids. Shakespeare is completely irrelevant to a kid who wants to work on a fishing boat.
     
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    chanel, you rabble rouser!! Why are you trying to derail a thread about teaching in groups to voluntary High School?:evil:

    ****secretly wishes chanel would start a thread about Non Compusory High School****:redface:

    Actually "Working in Groups" is something that's supposed to mirror "Working in Industry."
     
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    We still have industry to work in?
     
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    I actually HATE working in groups, in school AND in industry, which is why I've become a Beaver Trapper.
     
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    why I love retirement.


    Beaver trapping is risky. Look what happened to tiger.
     
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    Kinda hard to do with the large class sizes and such.

    classes should be grouped according to capability and allowed or pushed to progress as fast as they can.
    Why should it take every one 12 years to complete their basic schooling?

    It oinly took me 11. I skipped 5th grade.
     
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    Smaller classes is a big key along with smaller schools.

    High schools are too damn big , there are too many kids for the staff to know them. They end up all getting treated like suspected criminals instead of helping get a sense of coummunity.

    Differentiated learning would be great and would work much better in a smaller formatted setting.
     
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    Move out to the country and buy a double wide next to UScitizen if you want a Little House on The Prairie.

    Anyway I remember going to Grad school to get my MBA and ALWAYS having to work on group projects. It was karma for having made my poor physics students work in assigned groups.

    The first semester, I let the kids choose their own groups. The Alpha Group would get all the kids that wanted to get it done, quickly, efficiently and would sweat out which font to use when they typed up the final draft a week in advance. Then there'd be the Gamma Group (George Orwell, anyone?). The Gammas would do nothing until the day before the project was due, and spend most of their time arugeing about who would complete the cover page.

    The second semester I assigned an Alpha to every two or three Gammas so the Alphas could get a taste of Real Life. Quite a shock for them to discover that "They don't want to do ANYTHING, Mr. SAMSON!!!!!"

    LMAO:lol:
     
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