Word.

[koshergrl]

Nope, Marx.

And Hitler was, after all, socialist.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Nice job of tossing pointless labels that sound like talking points.

How are you coming with your homework? Have you decided on your three "most free human societies 'cause they're Christian" yet?

I gotta tell you... I've been thinking on it and I'm still drawing a blank.

 

[jillian]

Most of the violence and death in the 21st century came from the words of Karl Marx. The violence that occured is exactly what those ancient writers foretold was going to happen if God was rejected.

that isn't true. but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

[PretentiousGuy]

Nope, Marx.

And Hitler was, after all, socialist.

Hitler objected to using the word socialist in the name of the party, that was the previous leader's decision. Hitler was a fascist and detested Marxists because of their views on private property.

You do realise you look like a fool calling Marx the major contributor to the philosophies of Stalin and Hitler (beyond just being factually wrong). Stalin and Hitler were at each others throats.

If you are going to make the comparisons at least get your facts straight.

 

[koshergrl]

My facts are straight.

Unlike yours.

 

[PretentiousGuy]

My facts are straight.

Unlike yours.

And yet you do nothing but make assertions.

 

[mjollnir]

My facts are straight.

Unlike yours.

Which is why the first people he went after and rounded up were trade unionists, socialists and communists, and he specifically used the word 'socialist' to fool the idiots. Like you, for example

That you're so easily fooled by a misapplication of the word isn't surprising.

 

[Avatar4321]

Most of the violence and death in the 21st century came from the words of Karl Marx. The violence that occured is exactly what those ancient writers foretold was going to happen if God was rejected.

that isn't true. but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Correction. 20th century. My bad.

 

[Gadawg73]

My facts are straight.

Unlike yours.

Hitler gassed almost as many socialists as he did Jews.
But who can count that high?

 

[Avatar4321]

Nope, Marx.

And Hitler was, after all, socialist.

Hitler objected to using the word socialist in the name of the party, that was the previous leader's decision. Hitler was a fascist and detested Marxists because of their views on private property.

You do realise you look like a fool calling Marx the major contributor to the philosophies of Stalin and Hitler (beyond just being factually wrong). Stalin and Hitler were at each others throats.

If you are going to make the comparisons at least get your facts straight.

Please. Hitler and Stalin got along great until Hitler broke their agreement. If Hitler hadn't, we likely would not have had the Soviets joining us in the War.

Also, I've seen some documents say that Hitler was the one that pushed for the name "National Socialists". It may have been his brand of socialism, but it's still an outgrowth of socialism.

 

[Avatar4321]

My facts are straight.

Unlike yours.

Which is why the first people he went after and rounded up were trade unionists, socialists and communists, and he specifically used the word 'socialist' to fool the idiots. Like you, for example

That you're so easily fooled by a misapplication of the word isn't surprising.

You usually take out the useful idiots who gave you power before they realize you arent going to do what they violently supported you for.

 

[mjollnir]

My facts are straight.

Unlike yours.

Which is why the first people he went after and rounded up were trade unionists, socialists and communists, and he specifically used the word 'socialist' to fool the idiots. Like you, for example

That you're so easily fooled by a misapplication of the word isn't surprising.

You usually take out the useful idiots who gave you power before they realize you arent going to do what they violently supported you for.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[PretentiousGuy]

Nope, Marx.

And Hitler was, after all, socialist.

Hitler objected to using the word socialist in the name of the party, that was the previous leader's decision. Hitler was a fascist and detested Marxists because of their views on private property.

You do realise you look like a fool calling Marx the major contributor to the philosophies of Stalin and Hitler (beyond just being factually wrong). Stalin and Hitler were at each others throats.

If you are going to make the comparisons at least get your facts straight.

Please. Hitler and Stalin got along great until Hitler broke their agreement. If Hitler hadn't, we likely would not have had the Soviets joining us in the War.

Also, I've seen some documents say that Hitler was the one that pushed for the name "National Socialists". It may have been his brand of socialism, but it's still an outgrowth of socialism.

The only reason a NAP was signed was because they were about to got to war with each other.

My source is "A History of National Socialism" Konrad Heiden.. What source tells you Hitler pushed for the name?

 

[AVG-JOE]

And The Word was God.​

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And The Word took on flesh, and dwelt among us...

Have you ever read words that immersed your imagination in a character? Pulling you in deep? Successfully wrapping your thoughts in the skin of another Monkey?


I have.

Google Search: Stephen King

Words do have power!
​

They're as powerful as the Monkeys who read them.

 

[uhkilleez]

Most of the violence and death in the 21st century came from the words of Karl Marx. The violence that occured is exactly what those ancient writers foretold was going to happen if God was rejected.

Are you kidding?! Karl Marx died long before the Bolshevik Revolution! Do you actually know anything about the words of Karl Marx or are you going off what someone else told you about him? He was not as grandly an atheist as he has been portrayed, I assure you. His ideals were even less reflected in the Stalin era than ever before in the history of the Soviet Union.

If Jesus were alive today he would be a communist.

25 " If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.
26 "If you ever take your neighbor's garment as a pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down.
27 "For that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin. What will he sleep in? And it will be that when he cries to Me, I will hear, for I am gracious. (Exodus 22:25-27)

5 He who does not put out his money at usury, Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. (Psalm 15:5)

10 "I also, with my brethren and my servants, am lending them money and grain. Please, let us stop this usury!
11 "Restore now to them, even this day, their lands, their vineyards, their olive groves, and their houses, also a hundredth of the money and the grain, the new wine and the oil, that you have charged them." (Nehemiah 5:10,11)

24:1 Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be: As with the people, so with the priest; As with the servant, so with his master; As with the maid, so with her mistress; As with the buyer, so with the seller; As with the lender, so with the borrower; As with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, For the LORD has spoken this word. (Isaiah 24:1-3)

10 Woe is me, my mother, That you have borne me, A man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent for interest, Nor have men lent to me for interest. Every one of them curses me. (Jeremiah 15:10)

13 If he has exacted usury Or taken increase -- Shall he then live? He shall not live! If he has done any of these abominations, He shall surely die; His blood shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:13)

14 " For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them.
15 "And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.
16 "Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents.
17 "And likewise he who had received two gained two more also.
18 "But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord's money.
19 "After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
20 "So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, 'Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.'
21 "His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'
22 "He also who had received two talents came and said, 'Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.'
23 "His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'
24 "Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed.
25 'And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.'
26 "But his lord answered and said to him, 'You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed.
27 'So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest.
28 'Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
29 'For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. (Matthew 25:14-29)

Communism is a nirvana idea, though. There is no such bliss in the real world, unfortunately.

 

[theword]

At physical, documented points in time and space on Planet Earth, in places that smelled of people and sweat, the hands of various humans put marks on paper that would one day coalesce in to the Ancient Texts we know today as The Torah, The New Testament, The Koran and others.

Whether you believe that the imaginations that sorted and organized those words were somehow inspired by God or not, the hands that recorded those words as a gift to the future were very human, and the effects of those words on human history cannot be denied. Profound indeed is the history that continues to be guided by those words that were first laid down by ancient human hands.

Does Religion Cause Violence?

How could one, for example, separate religion from politics in Islam, when Muslims themselves make no such separation? In the second place, it may be the case that the Crusader has misappropriated the true message of Christ, but one cannot therefore excuse Christianity of all responsibility. Christianity is not primarily a set of doctrines, but a lived historical experience embodied and shaped by the empirically observable actions of Christians. So I have no intention of excusing Christianity or Islam or any other faith system from careful analysis. Given certain conditions, Christianity, Islam, and other faiths can and do contribute to violence.

Words on paper that changed our world for both good and for evil......



If the 21st Century results could be shown to them, do you think that the authors whose hands are implicated in these Ancient Stories would regret committing to paper the words that ended up so violently and profoundly altering the future in which their descendants continue to live and bleed?




What did YOU write today? Did you consider the future? Should you?

And The Word was God.​

`​

The flesh of man that's seen on this earth on the last day of this age will be destroyed in one hour. This will put an end to man's enemies, which was the flesh that kept lying to the spirit of man.

 

[AVG-JOE]

One hour, eh? Prove it.

 

[jillian]

Nope, Marx.

And Hitler was, after all, socialist.

no he wasn't. some basic economic and sociologic concepts might be helpful to you

 

[jillian]

At physical, documented points in time and space on Planet Earth, in places that smelled of people and sweat, the hands of various humans put marks on paper that would one day coalesce in to the Ancient Texts we know today as The Torah, The New Testament, The Koran and others.

Whether you believe that the imaginations that sorted and organized those words were somehow inspired by God or not, the hands that recorded those words as a gift to the future were very human, and the effects of those words on human history cannot be denied. Profound indeed is the history that continues to be guided by those words that were first laid down by ancient human hands.

Does Religion Cause Violence?

How could one, for example, separate religion from politics in Islam, when Muslims themselves make no such separation? In the second place, it may be the case that the Crusader has misappropriated the true message of Christ, but one cannot therefore excuse Christianity of all responsibility. Christianity is not primarily a set of doctrines, but a lived historical experience embodied and shaped by the empirically observable actions of Christians. So I have no intention of excusing Christianity or Islam or any other faith system from careful analysis. Given certain conditions, Christianity, Islam, and other faiths can and do contribute to violence.

Words on paper that changed our world for both good and for evil......



If the 21st Century results could be shown to them, do you think that the authors whose hands are implicated in these Ancient Stories would regret committing to paper the words that ended up so violently and profoundly altering the future in which their descendants continue to live and bleed?




What did YOU write today? Did you consider the future? Should you?

And The Word was God.​

`​

The flesh of man that's seen on this earth on the last day of this age will be destroyed in one hour. This will put an end to man's enemies, which was the flesh that kept lying to the spirit of man.

*yawn*

 

[koshergrl]

Nope, Marx.

And Hitler was, after all, socialist.

no he wasn't. some basic economic and sociologic concepts might be helpful to you

Thank you, you are not the person to school me on this, or any other, subject. You are of the mind that arrogance and narrow-mindedness = correctness, and nothing could be further from the truth.

"The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National "Socialism" is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to "socialism of the chair" and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form. "

"
The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder, one of Hitler's early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists.

"But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic-individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, "international finance and loan capital," the system of "interest slavery" in general; the abolition of these is described as the "basis of the programme, around which everything else turns." It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

"That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine, and not a mere piece of propaganda, becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that many of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. "

Nazism is Socialism
Published in the spring of 1933
Friedrich August von Hayek