Woman Denied An Abortion, Dies In Hospital

[AmyNation]

Would you support a procedure that would guarantee the death of the mother to ensure the unborn child survives?

If not, why is it acceptable the other way around?

Because it's not possible for it to happen that way....

The fact that it's not possible is irrelevant. A life is not something weighed against another life.

Nonsense, doctors have to make those choices all the time.

 

[koshergrl]

Well not "all" the time.

Unless they're abortionists.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well not "all" the time.

Unless they're abortionists.

Well, a good point, but basically, Amy's correct. Pretty much everything in life is about scarcity of resources, whatever those resources might be, and deciding where they go. Many times, that decision DOES make a difference as to who lives or dies.

Apparently, the "medical moronity" (moronness? Whatever one calls the state of being a moron) does not apply to just one side of the debate, though, if we've got dimwits in here insisting that all pregnancies should be allowed to run whatever course they take, with no intervention. That just means the dimwit in question has never heard of, for example, ectopic pregnancies.

 

[jwoodie]

Seems she was having a miscarriage, but it was incomplete. She was in great pain, and after 24 hours she begged doctors for an abortion, to end the pregnancy as quick as possible. As the fetus still had a heartbeat, she was denied the abortion.
Finally, the fetus died, and the woman developed blood poisoning and died a week later:

A WOMAN has died of blood poisoning from a miscarriage, after an Irish hospital denied her an abortion telling her "this is a Catholic country".
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The tragedy comes as the country is in the throes of a passionate debate over potential abortion law reform.

The Irish Times reports that both the hospital and the health department have begun investigations into the death at University Hospital Galway last month.

Savita Halappanavar, 31, a dentist who was 17 weeks pregnant, went to the hospital with back pain on October 21.

Her husband Praveen Halappanavar said she was told she was miscarrying, and after one day of severe pain she asked for a medical termination.

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This was in Ireland, where abortion is illegal, so the doctors claimed they couldn't do anything because the heart was still beating, but they should have given her something to help nature along, to end her suffering.

This was a case of medical misdiagnosis. Ireland allows abortions to save the life of the mother.

 

[Ernie S.]

I feel for her husband :/ to know something could have been done, but doctors chose not to... I can't imagine.

Ya cause after all one should just ignore the law any time they feel like it, RIGHT? So I assume you condemn doctors that don't administer lethal drugs to their terminal patients? How about the people that just want to commit suicide, damn that doctor for saving them and not helping them, RIGHT?

Further this was Ireland, I don't give a rats ass what they do as long as it doesn't effect this Country.

Of course people shouldn't violate the law, but if there was a choice between saving a life, and breaking the law, I would think the doctors would break the law!

Yup he should go to jail and not be of service to other patients for the next 20 years. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Just be willing to pay the price if you break it before you succeed.

 

[Dr Grump]

(moronness? Whatever one calls the state of being a moron)

There are several words that designate such a state:
Cecilie1200ism is the most popular followed by Alliebabaism and Koshergirlness..

 

[Dr Grump]

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Yup he should go to jail and not be of service to other patients for the next 20 years. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Just be willing to pay the price if you break it before you succeed.

that's absurd absolutism at its worst...
So if you believe slavery is bad, but it is law, you should sent to jail or whatever? Get a grip...bad law is bad law...

 

[AmyNation]

Ya cause after all one should just ignore the law any time they feel like it, RIGHT? So I assume you condemn doctors that don't administer lethal drugs to their terminal patients? How about the people that just want to commit suicide, damn that doctor for saving them and not helping them, RIGHT?

Further this was Ireland, I don't give a rats ass what they do as long as it doesn't effect this Country.

Of course people shouldn't violate the law, but if there was a choice between saving a life, and breaking the law, I would think the doctors would break the law!

Yup he should go to jail and not be of service to other patients for the next 20 years. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Just be willing to pay the price if you break it before you succeed.

If it was between the law, and her life, the doctor should have saved her life.

 

[gwennie]

I feel for her husband :/ to know something could have been done, but doctors chose not to... I can't imagine.

Ya cause after all one should just ignore the law any time they feel like it, RIGHT? So I assume you condemn doctors that don't administer lethal drugs to their terminal patients? How about the people that just want to commit suicide, damn that doctor for saving them and not helping them, RIGHT?

Further this was Ireland, I don't give a rats ass what they do as long as it doesn't effect this Country.

This is why we need One World Government.[/QU

Socialist pig...

 

[Cecilie1200]

Seems she was having a miscarriage, but it was incomplete. She was in great pain, and after 24 hours she begged doctors for an abortion, to end the pregnancy as quick as possible. As the fetus still had a heartbeat, she was denied the abortion.
Finally, the fetus died, and the woman developed blood poisoning and died a week later:

A WOMAN has died of blood poisoning from a miscarriage, after an Irish hospital denied her an abortion telling her "this is a Catholic country".
Digital Pass - $5 weekend papers

The tragedy comes as the country is in the throes of a passionate debate over potential abortion law reform.

The Irish Times reports that both the hospital and the health department have begun investigations into the death at University Hospital Galway last month.

Savita Halappanavar, 31, a dentist who was 17 weeks pregnant, went to the hospital with back pain on October 21.

Her husband Praveen Halappanavar said she was told she was miscarrying, and after one day of severe pain she asked for a medical termination.

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This was in Ireland, where abortion is illegal, so the doctors claimed they couldn't do anything because the heart was still beating, but they should have given her something to help nature along, to end her suffering.

This was a case of medical misdiagnosis. Ireland allows abortions to save the life of the mother.

No, not quite. They knew exactly what was wrong with her. Their problem was a) they were REALLY unclear as to their legal rights and abilities, and b) the baby lived a lot longer than they expected.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ya cause after all one should just ignore the law any time they feel like it, RIGHT? So I assume you condemn doctors that don't administer lethal drugs to their terminal patients? How about the people that just want to commit suicide, damn that doctor for saving them and not helping them, RIGHT?

Further this was Ireland, I don't give a rats ass what they do as long as it doesn't effect this Country.

Of course people shouldn't violate the law, but if there was a choice between saving a life, and breaking the law, I would think the doctors would break the law!

Yup he should go to jail and not be of service to other patients for the next 20 years. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Just be willing to pay the price if you break it before you succeed.

It's always easy to state that someone ELSE should risk their lives, careers, freedom, etc. to do "the right thing" - as defined by you, of course - when one is sitting safely ensconced in a computer chair on the other side of the world. For some reason, though, Noomi and her ilk never look at it that way.

 

[craner]

The left never posts stories about: Baby lives, family happy.

Nothing but fear mongering and hate.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Of course people shouldn't violate the law, but if there was a choice between saving a life, and breaking the law, I would think the doctors would break the law!

Yup he should go to jail and not be of service to other patients for the next 20 years. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Just be willing to pay the price if you break it before you succeed.

If it was between the law, and her life, the doctor should have saved her life.

I believe my previous post covered this, but let me just add that it's fascinating how staunchly - one might even say "virulently" - some people will defend a woman's "right to choose" exactly as she pleases about "her" body, and how DARE you gainsay it! But then those same people never seem to want to give anyone ELSE the same courtesy of choosing what to do with THEIR bodies, ie. whether or not to place them in prison for twenty years. All that matters is that some woman should have had an abortion, and goddamn it, everyone else is obligated to do whatever is necessary to make that happen!

 

[AmyNation]

Yup he should go to jail and not be of service to other patients for the next 20 years. If you don't like a law, work to change it. Just be willing to pay the price if you break it before you succeed.

If it was between the law, and her life, the doctor should have saved her life.

I believe my previous post covered this, but let me just add that it's fascinating how staunchly - one might even say "virulently" - some people will defend a woman's "right to choose" exactly as she pleases about "her" body, and how DARE you gainsay it! But then those same people never seem to want to give anyone ELSE the same courtesy of choosing what to do with THEIR bodies, ie. whether or not to place them in prison for twenty years. All that matters is that some woman should have had an abortion, and goddamn it, everyone else is obligated to do whatever is necessary to make that happen!

I believe I covered this in a different post but, I believe doctors have a moral obligation to help, no matter what the law states.

It's nice that you want to equate a woman's choice to terminate with a doctors choice to allow a patient to suffer for 3 days and die, but they are not equal.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If it was between the law, and her life, the doctor should have saved her life.

I believe my previous post covered this, but let me just add that it's fascinating how staunchly - one might even say "virulently" - some people will defend a woman's "right to choose" exactly as she pleases about "her" body, and how DARE you gainsay it! But then those same people never seem to want to give anyone ELSE the same courtesy of choosing what to do with THEIR bodies, ie. whether or not to place them in prison for twenty years. All that matters is that some woman should have had an abortion, and goddamn it, everyone else is obligated to do whatever is necessary to make that happen!

I believe I covered this in a different post but, I believe doctors have a moral obligation to help, no matter what the law states.

It's nice that you want to equate a woman's choice to terminate with a doctors choice to allow a patient to suffer for 3 days and die, but they are not equal.

And I believe that women have a moral obligation to let their children live, but for some reason, THAT isn't okay to say. Since when is it okay to impose YOUR morality on other people? Maybe that doctor didn't think it was moral to perform abortions. Maybe he didn't think it was moral to break the law. Why is it okay for YOU to tell him his morality is wrong and he should conform to YOURS, but it's not okay for ME to tell a woman that HER morality is wrong and she should let her pregnancy go to term?

And by the way, you pro-aborts are always answering abortion morality questions in THIS country with, "Abortion is legal", which presumably means that if it's legal, it's moral, and with "It's the law of the land, so accept it". So in Ireland, abortion is ILLEGAL. Does that mean that you accept that Irish abortion is therefore immoral? You sure as shit aren't being as accepting of the "settled law" there as you keep screeching that WE should be here.

How are they "not equal"? Apparently the doctors did everything they could within the legal limits as they understood them to help her, which you label as "allowing her to suffer and die". Meanwhile, abortion providers cut babies into pieces and suck them out with vacuums, and that's dandy by you. Where's the "lack of equality"? Seems to me it all lies in the realm of "Everyone should act according to what Amy thinks is correct".

And really, all I'm equating here is the doctor's right to choose to not go to prison and lose his medical license for all time with a woman's right to choose not to be pregnant, right? You pro-aborts like to whinge on about the cruelty and callousness of expecting a woman to give up her future plans and suffer possible mental and physical trauma in order to allow a baby to live. How is the doctor more morally obligated to give up HIS future plans and suffer mental and physical trauma - and if you think prison for twenty years isn't mentally and physically traumatic, you're a dumbass - in order to try to save this woman's life?

Instead of just loftily telling me how it's not the same and declaring that I'm a bad person for trying to equate anything with the most-holy abortion, how about you try applying some intellectual integrity and try answering the questions?

 

[AmyNation]

There is too much straw man in that post for me to bother to wade through. If you want me to respond, try sticking to this case, and my opinions instead of going off on a tangent about "you pro-abortionists, yadda yadda yadda."

 

[Noomi]

Seems she was having a miscarriage, but it was incomplete. She was in great pain, and after 24 hours she begged doctors for an abortion, to end the pregnancy as quick as possible. As the fetus still had a heartbeat, she was denied the abortion.
Finally, the fetus died, and the woman developed blood poisoning and died a week later:

A WOMAN has died of blood poisoning from a miscarriage, after an Irish hospital denied her an abortion telling her "this is a Catholic country".
Digital Pass - $5 weekend papers

The tragedy comes as the country is in the throes of a passionate debate over potential abortion law reform.

The Irish Times reports that both the hospital and the health department have begun investigations into the death at University Hospital Galway last month.

Savita Halappanavar, 31, a dentist who was 17 weeks pregnant, went to the hospital with back pain on October 21.

Her husband Praveen Halappanavar said she was told she was miscarrying, and after one day of severe pain she asked for a medical termination.

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun

This was in Ireland, where abortion is illegal, so the doctors claimed they couldn't do anything because the heart was still beating, but they should have given her something to help nature along, to end her suffering.

This was a case of medical misdiagnosis. Ireland allows abortions to save the life of the mother.

Not really. The Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed to save the mother but no government has put that ruling into law, so abortion remains technically illegal, even to save the mother.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There is too much straw man in that post for me to bother to wade through. If you want me to respond, try sticking to this case, and my opinions instead of going off on a tangent about "you pro-abortionists, yadda yadda yadda."

Translation: "You were right, and I'm too chickenshit to answer questions or address points. Maybe if I focus on 'name-calling', no one will notice that I'm running like a bitch."

What's that, like three chances you've been given to prove you're a person that you've blown so far?

Your surrender is duly noted, and you are back on ignore with the other lying poltroons. Buh bye.

 

[AmyNation]

There is too much straw man in that post for me to bother to wade through. If you want me to respond, try sticking to this case, and my opinions instead of going off on a tangent about "you pro-abortionists, yadda yadda yadda."

Translation: "You were right, and I'm too chickenshit to answer questions or address points. Maybe if I focus on 'name-calling', no one will notice that I'm running like a bitch."

What's that, like three chances you've been given to prove you're a person that you've blown so far?

Your surrender is duly noted, and you are back on ignore with the other lying poltroons. Buh bye.

Do you not read english? It's what I posted in, so a translation is not needed. I dont respond to straw man, and I dont feel the need to defend positions I havent taken.

And for some unknown reason, I continue to respond to you, a poster who ends every argument with me by stomping your feet and insisting youve "put me on ignore". If you can't have an adult debate, perhaps you should finally follow through and ignore me, because youre clearly not capable of posting on a level worthy of my attention.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

Debate here...

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