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    It has been reported today that in the US a report has been produced which has finally concluded that the threat from WMD's was exagerated by the Bush Administration. As the claim is from a left-of-centre organisation, however, the question of the credibility of their report must be extant

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3378467.stm

    What's new in the Carnegie Institutes claim, however? In the UK that argument is old hat now. Blairs latest stance is that the war was fought as a humanitarian act, WMD's have become stale news.

    Whatever the reasons, it just seems that vested interests are producing any hypothesis and, to justify their arguments, plucking all kinds of nefarious facts seemingly from mid-air in justification of their particular stance.

    The fact is that the war has been fought and that we should now concentrate on reconciliation and rebuilding Iraq. The extensive soul searching and recriminations by the woolly liberals will achieve absolutely nothing other than to give free propoganda to the cause of the Islamic fundamentalists.
     
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    I do not agree with that, but I do agree that we are there, so we might as well deal with it rather than continue arguing.
     
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    how about holding those responsible for the deception accountable?
     
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    Who do you hold responsible? Is there any proof of purposeful deception?
     
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    there SHOULD be enough to start a serious investigation, That got stonewalled by Frist, didn't it?
     
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    I wouldn't be against an investigation. 'If' there was deception given to the American public, there should be some heads rolling. I really don't see that myself, but I have no problem with an investigation.
     
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    it is an open secret in the military that the WMD that were in the hands of the saddam and co are now across the border in syria...i have no links to prove this...just my bro's HO as a nco-ncb 490 plus days in the sand and 28 plus years in the corp....I tend to believe what he says
     
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    I actually read an article on this on WND. Popular belief is that Syria and Iran both smuggled some of the WMD across the borders. I debated whether to post the link but opted out of it since I didnt want to hear "what a biased source" WND was. Now since the topic is out there, I think I'll go hunt that link down... just for those who are curious as to what intel we have on the Syria-Iran/WMD connection.
     
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    I cant seem to find the World Net Daily article in their archives. I did, however, come across this article, dated January 8, 2004, from UPI. It seems the question is out there, I guess it's being investigated. I'll hunt for more tomorrow while at work when I have more time.

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    Some U.S. officials believe Syrians are hiding Saddam's weapons
    By RICHARD SALE, United Press International
    (Published Thursday, January 8th, 2004 07:02:45 PM)

    (UPI) - Some U.S. intelligence agencies believe that rogue elements of Syria's ruling elite have accepted millions of dollars in bribes in return for providing a safe haven for some of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, according to former and serving U.S. officials.

    Chemical and biological weapons were taken by truck to a Syrian munitions compound near a military base near Khan Abu Shamet, about 50 miles northeast of Damascus, these officials told United Press International.

    The chief suspects in the operation are Bushra al Assad, the sister of Syrian President Bashar al Assad, and her husband Gen. Assaf Chawkat, the No. 2 in Syria's military intelligence organization, the Mukhabarat.

    U.S. officials - most recently President George W. Bush - have charged that Iraq is moving around production and storage facilities for chemical and biological weapons to hide them from U.N. inspectors charged with disarming the regime.

    The allegation that Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein was trying to hide suspected weapons of mass destruction in Syria was first made - somewhat hesitantly - on Dec. 23 by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

    "We are in the process of verification of these (intelligence) reports," Sharon told Israeli television. "What we assume - and again I say, we have not yet finalized the reports - is that weapons that he (Saddam) wanted to hide - chemical weapons, biological weapons - were indeed transferred to Syria."

    The claim was repeated and firmed up by his foreign minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, last month: "Those intelligence reports (about the alleged transfer) are solid," he said on Jan. 19, according to the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

    But the U.S. intelligence community is not so sure and appears to be divided.

    At a recent Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was questioned about reports that weapons of mass destruction had been moved around Christmastime from Iraq into Syria.

    Armitage replied: "I would say there's been a debate in the administration ... (in) the intelligence community ... I don't think we know the definitive. I've seen the report you referred to. And I've seen other reports.

    "Now, I can't give you a level of credibility on other reports as to whether missiles are in other countries. Those countries whom we've approached with our suspicions have vehemently denied (them)."

    Many in the U.S. intelligence community believe the story to be an Israeli concoction. Former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vince Cannistraro strongly denounced it. "The CIA has found no corroborating intelligence on this," he told UPI.

    A former Israeli intelligence official said the unwillingness to believe the Israeli reports was political at bottom: "The Bush administration does not want to confront the Syrians, even though they are bad news and working all along with Saddam," he said. Israeli intelligence had given the White House reports about the transfer, he said, but "the administration dismissed it."

    "There is an institutional bias in Washington against taking on Syria," the former Israeli operative said.

    "I think the White House thought Israeli intelligence off the wall or else an attempt at propaganda," said Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Middle East Policy.

    A former senior Pentagon official said he believed the actions of Chawkat are "a private enterprise - it's not by any means an official Syrian government policy." He added: "The CIA simply doesn't want the story told."

    Gal Luft, a former analyst for the pro-Israeli Washington Institute for Near East Policy who has excellent Israeli and U.S. intelligence sources, also said that materiel was being moved to Syria - "certain individuals are taking money and hiding weapons" - but he cautioned it was "not government-sanctioned."

    Judith Yaphe, a former senior CIA Middle East analyst, said: "It's palace intrigue." She explained that Bushra "is the brains. She's much smarter and more effective than Bashar, and she was disappointed at being passed over and not seeing her husband elevated."

    Bushra works at undercutting her brother, she said.

    Jordan is also engaged in similar activity in concealing small amounts of Iraqi weapons, although former Israeli intelligence sources lacked specific details.

    "In countries like Jordan or Syria, you do not have a federal government in the same sense that you have in the United States. Instead you have guys who work for the government but they pursue their own agenda. I wouldn't exaggerate the importance of it."

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