with Obamacare gone, what should Trumpcare look like? give your solution to health care

[beagle9]

Is it really relegated to just republicans ??? No it isn't, but keep true to your agenda to suggest that all republicans are evil and bad, when Americans know that this is a dumb position to hold when people are affected negatively across all areas upon the board.

No, all republican's aren't bad and the way my texts are blowing up this morning from my republican clients worried they're going to lose their subsidy and health insurance for 2019 just shows all republican's are very happy with it.

Very happy with what ??

Very happy with their subsidies and obamacare.

Obamacare was a ruse period. It was only designed to help those in poverty, but royally screwed over the working people in the middle. Good riddance Obamacare.

It's not gone.

It will be.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Come on, guys! Don't rain on their parade. Over 100 million American citizens are going to lose their health care, and this is cause for a serious celebration for the Right!

Wrong....and it depends on the source

6-10mil
6-10 million people could lose their health insurance under GOP's Obamacare-replacement plan

22-32mil
32 million people would lose coverage if Obamacare was repealed

Either way...…..don't forget the many of those people now have or are getting jobs that will provide benefits thru employers

Why should employers be the ones responsible for supplying healthcare plans for Americans ??? This shouldn't be the case at all in America.

Worked for a company that because of it's very business it is in, there was a higher incidence of health issues caused by the industry worked for. Because of this the private insurance carrier charged this particular industry higher rates to it's employees for the healthcare plans offered way cheaper to other industries not subjected to the same conditions.

Ok, so the money being paid to the employee's are the same amount as other industries or among industry standards, yet because of the nature of this business the healthcare plans were way higher if work in this industry verses another ? It's not right, and it wasn't right.

Most employers already provide medical/dental/vision, benefits for employees and have been doing so for many years. Benefits are a great carrot to draw and keep good employees.


I have been thinking about this today and may have come up with something, but it would require those who can work to get a job and have a yearly
checkup...…..Health Savings Accounts. You deposit say 10% of income & employers match it? It's for any & all medical care until your death. No need for Medicare at retirement. Employers would save a lot of money with this than paying the price for medical/dental/vision/etc benefits they provide. Upon your death, any remaining funds goes for your immediate family's HSA. You would have the choices of what type of care you wanted......standard medical care, homeopathic, nutritionalist, chiropractic, herbalist, acupuncture, etc

Medical costs should drop for lack of paper shuffling for insurances and there wouldn't be any unnecessary tests, procedures, RX's, appts, etc. Doctors would treat whatever problem you have instead of treating the symptoms and referring you to someone else, unless it's needed.

There are some drawbacks of course...….

It wouldn't work as well if you are unhealthy(disease/illness) or in an accident or serious injury when you're young & just starting to pay in, unless you have a close relative that recently passed away leaving you their unused account.

And if put into place in the next few years...….it's not going to work for older Americans.

And there would have to be enough jobs to employ everyone.


IDK I'm sure there are other pros & cons to the idea, but it could work

This country has many more small business and do not offer group health coverage.

I suggest you google HSA's and HRA's.

Those are as is...….my suggestion for HSA's is just that, the employee deposits a minimum amount, more if they choose according to their needs. Employers that have a certain number of employees and/or $ business instead of paying for group coverage that is more, just deposit a %. Those smaller business's wouldn't have too......but if they're making enough to hire outside help and paying those costs, they should be able to deposit something.

It would take society willing to work for a living and taking personal responsibility for their own health and future needs. There is always going to be a group of people that fall thru the cracks as no system is or will be perfect, so there would still be a need for a safety net of some sort

 

[Marion Morrison]

here's my plan: everyone's gotta be covered, this is an unconservative thing for me to say. a lot of times they say no no the lower 25 percent that cant afford private, but i would cover everyone, i dont care if it tanks my popularity on here, the government pays for it, but we save so much money on the other side. for the most part, its a private plan, but people go out and negotiate private plans with lots of competitors and they can have their doctors they can have their plans they can have everything

No. I have a plan, but it's complicated and unlikely to be put into effect. It's no immediate relief, either, because the medical price problem has been 30 years in the making..across multiple Congresses and presidents spanning decades.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I haver an idea! Let's have universal health care, like they do in every other iondustrialized country on earth!

Naww. That would NEVER work.....

 

[Marion Morrison]

I haver an idea! Let's have universal health care, like they do in every other iondustrialized country on earth!

Naww. That would NEVER work.....

The US has had the best health care in the world for over a century. Only in the last 30 years has it gone down due to rising prices because of legalized bribery.

Europe is about to implode, guy.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I haver an idea! Let's have universal health care, like they do in every other iondustrialized country on earth!

Naww. That would NEVER work.....

The US has had the best health care in the world for over a century. Only in the last 30 years has it gone down due to rising prices because of legalized bribery.

Europe is about to implode, guy.

..and that's why all those countries are clambering to ditch their present health care system to adopt ours, right?

 

[Darkwind]

What do they collect the taxes for ??? To help Americans across the board right ?? There will never be a perfect union, so government has always been instrumental and set up to keep balance in the country. It is only expected however to do so with a very thin line allowed it, and this is so that it doesn't cross lines that infringe on the rights granted to the citizenry in an abusive way. Fine lines to keep, and that's why we have checks and balances on power in America.

Republicans don’t want to help other Americans. I don’t know why. It’s just the inner meanness. The lack of true traditional Christian values.

What a crock. Not everyone uses the government to help people. You're not looking at charities and Christian churches and hospitals.

Yes there are those as well, but government does play a role as well... In fact what about the charities that have been caught up in great scandals where millions were being stolen and extorted ?? Otherwise are they totally reliable outside of governments role in protecting the people from such bad stuff?

The government is supposed to be our defense against foriegn enemies inside and outside the nation, and when charities go bad, we must be protected against them as well. The government is supposed to be our last line of defense after things go bad, and our first line of defense before things go bad if caught in that way.

Funny. There is way more fraud in the government healthcare system than in charities. It's not the role of government to run my healthcare. It's costly and inefficient.

Even when healthcare cost sores to levels that you can't afford, and therefore everything you ever worked for in life is placed in danger because your reliance on government at this point is to give you relief by allowing you to claim bankruptcy as your last resort ??? Ridiculous and sad all at the same time when our humanity is not being considered when discussing the issues.

How can people not be United on these issues is amazing really.

Interesting angle. How do you feel about the massive and bankrupting inheritance taxes? Everything you work for will be taken by the government if your descendants can't come up with the taxes for the wealth you've accumulated.

Then there is the argument that we cannot increase insurance costs because people can't afford it, but never a problem with affordability when raising taxes.

What needs to be done is

1. An itemized list of all costs that are charged for any medical need must be presented to the person BEFORE the procedure begins.
2. Give the person veto power over what items will be included in the cost.
3. Go to an all-cash system or a catastrophic system only, and pay for other costs out of pocket or through a shared cost system found in many religious communities.
4. Outlaw medical insurance companies.
5. Audit and regulate all government run programs such as Medicare.

Just to start.

 

[ty.fetty]

Come down on the politicians hard and, frankly get big pharmaceutical companies under control of stop being a greedy you know what


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[dblack]

I haver an idea! Let's have universal health care, like they do in every other iondustrialized country on earth!

Naww. That would NEVER work.....

It won't work on a slim, partisan majority. We've seen that. It'll just get undermined by people who are opposed to it.

 

[PredFan]

here's my plan: everyone's gotta be covered, this is an unconservative thing for me to say. a lot of times they say no no the lower 25 percent that cant afford private, but i would cover everyone, i dont care if it tanks my popularity on here, the government pays for it, but we save so much money on the other side. for the most part, its a private plan, but people go out and negotiate private plans with lots of competitors and they can have their doctors they can have their plans they can have everything

No 0bamacare, no Trumpcare. Get the government out of healthcare and Heath insurance.

 

[otto105]

Obamacare is universally hated in Washington. it is the Ted Cruz of health care!

What is denser?

The previous post or osmium?

 

[Conservative65]

here's my plan: everyone's gotta be covered, this is an unconservative thing for me to say. a lot of times they say no no the lower 25 percent that cant afford private, but i would cover everyone, i dont care if it tanks my popularity on here, the government pays for it, but we save so much money on the other side. for the most part, its a private plan, but people go out and negotiate private plans with lots of competitors and they can have their doctors they can have their plans they can have everything

The government isn't paying for it. The government provides no services nor produces any products that generates revenue to do so. In order for the government to pay for it, they have to take money from the producers in society.

I have a solution. If you don't have coverage, either get some bleeding heart that says you deserve it to personally fund it for you or go without.

 

[Conservative65]

here's my plan: everyone's gotta be covered, this is an unconservative thing for me to say. a lot of times they say no no the lower 25 percent that cant afford private, but i would cover everyone, i dont care if it tanks my popularity on here, the government pays for it, but we save so much money on the other side. for the most part, its a private plan, but people go out and negotiate private plans with lots of competitors and they can have their doctors they can have their plans they can have everything

We can’t afford the socialist entitlement programs we already have… We certainly cannot afford any more

The $22 trillion waste on social welfare programs that were supposed to eradicate poverty is a clear sign that such things don't work.

 

[Conservative65]

under what should be Trumpcare, the older you get, the more money you get in subsidies. think of it as the opposite of being a Hollywood actor!

Why should anyone get a subsidy to fund what they should be funding themselves?

 

[MedfordMan]

Well I always thought that it would be great if we all paid into the government (a tax) that insures that we all get a health care card that can be used anywhere in the U.S. where it is needed. Pre-existing conditions are covered, and eye and dental are added instead of being seperate from the health card that is being issued.

Not sure what it would be called, but it could be worked out to include everyone to be covered by working out the tax to be spread out among all the working tax payers in the nation by a deduction to be levied or taken out of their paychecks each week.

Otherwise for example, if the tax was to cost the tax paying citizen $ 7.00 dollars a paycheck, then to add those who are struggling and needy by no fault of their own would be an additional $ 1.50 a week to be added as a "my brothers keeper ID"
in the amount as it would be listed.

The total deduction would be for example $8.50 a week for health care coverage for every working American citizen in the country to be covered along with the struggling Americans by no fault of their own being covered as well. Be nice to have a government health care card to just walk into a medical facility or practice with confidence that everything will be ok. Would allow the patient to focus on healing instead of worrying about finances etc.

Beagle,

I appreciate anyone trying to make substantive contributions to the discussuon, but your solution nights the problem.

Charging all employees $ 9.50 a week would raise just over
33 billion. Medicare for all cost 3.2 trillion (more like 5.3 trillion a year)

 

[old_guy]

insurance isn't the problem.....why "fixing" it is doomed to failure so they can get to where they want to go...universal which will also fail but you'll be stuck with it

Obamacare/ACA was another attack on Americans by the worst president and presidential cabinet in the history of the world. No one but the liberals and insurance companies have benefited from it and none ever will. I speak as someone who worked in the health care industry until I retired because of Obamacare. I still help Americans as I can at the free clinic and will as long as I can.

The entire liberal agenda is insane and is promoted by the insane. I'm sure all the intelligent people here have heard the quote about "doing the same thing the same way over and over again being the definition of insanity" and it perfectly describes liberal ideals and actions. Anyone who has ever lived in nations with socialized medicine and politics has seen what an utter failure it is. Anyone who hasn't lived there can study places like Venezuela and see what I mean.

Nothing President Trump has done (so far) has made life worse for any American, unless one considers making the insane liberals angry a bad thing. If the majority of Americans will continue to support him, he may be able to completely eliminate the ACA and put limits on prescription costs (mine did go down this year, sorry to hear not everyone's did). He will be able to secure our borders and eliminate a great deal of our resources going to people who have no right to be here or to be receiving monies Americans worked for. Hopefully he will stop congress' raising their own salaries and will eliminate the taxpayer-funded slush fund to pay off legal actions brought against elected officials who have committed crimes. There's a world of repair work to be done and President Trump is the only capable repairman we've had since Reagan.