With friends like ISRAEL, who needs Osama??

[rtwngAvngr]

Israel rarely intervenes in other nation's civil wars where genocidal murder of thousands upon thousands occur.

The Christian nations that persecuted and murdered millions of gentials and Jews over the centuries were not doing so because they were embroiled in a civil war. In Darfur, the muslim Arabs are murdering hundreds of thousands of black people.

The Islamic world is simply carrying on what they have and are doing since the time of Muhammad.

So is isreal intervening in darfur or do they hate blacks. This is the same logic you use to condemn all christians about the nazis. It sucks doesn't it. It's shitty logic.

If your paranoia is real, then you must only really trust other jews, it's this kind of paranoia, that turns of people off. And you prove your paranoia in nearly every post you make. give it a rest man. You're just not that special.

 

[ajwps]

So is isreal intervening in darfur or do they hate blacks. This is the same logic you use to condemn all christians about the nazis. It sucks doesn't it. It's shitty logic.

If your paranoia is real, then you must only really trust other jews, it's this kind of paranoia, that turns of people off. And you prove your paranoia in nearly every post you make. give it a rest man. You're just not that special.

Do you have difficulty following logic rtwing?

Israel is not intervening in Darfur nor is it intervening in the civil war between the Muslims and Hindus in Kurdistan. Israel is not intervening in any single countries CIVIL WARS.

Israel is trying its best to quell humainly those who occupy Israel's land and trying to avoid a civil war of their own. The Jews do not hate the black people of the world nor do they hate the Arab peoples of the world.

Do you think that the Eskimos should be sending their troops into China to quell the unrest there? Do the Eskimos hate the Chinese people who are being slain by the government?

There is a difference between civil wars and world wars. Is that difficult to understand? It seems that paranoia is a problem of your own and you seem to be projecting it onto me.

Keep your beliefs and do not give them up for your salvation is at stake. Just learn that everyone in the world does not think exactly like you and your very special observation of yourself in the mirror.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Do you have difficulty following logic rtwing?


Israel is not intervening in Darfur nor is it intervening in the civil war between the Muslims and Hindus in Kurdistan. Israel is not intervening in any single countries CIVIL WARS.

So what if it's a civil war. People are dying and you're doing nothing. You must be as immoral as white christians.

Israel is trying its best to quell humainly those who occupy Israel's land and trying to avoid a civil war of their own. The Jews do not hate the black people of the world nor do they hate the Arab peoples of the world.

Some do. Some don't. Some white christians hate jews, some don't. you occupy no moral highground here. Your assertion that white christians will always hate jews is wrong. Your supporting argument:"No one did anything about the nazis until it was in their best interest" is bullshit. But far be it from to attempt to disabuse you of your ethnic paranoia.

Do you think that the Eskimos should be sending their troops into China to quell the unrest there? Do the Eskimos hate the Chinese people who are being slain by the government?

If white christian hate jews because we didn't act according to your time line, then yes, obviously.

There is a difference between civil wars and world wars. Is that difficult to understand? It seems that paranoia is a problem of your own and you seem to be projecting it onto me.

there is a difference, however it is irrelevant to this discussion.

Keep your beliefs and do not give them up for your salvation is at stake. Just learn that everyone in the world does not think exactly like you and your very special observation of yourself in the mirror.

Hey aj. I've tried to be your friend, but since you're such a schmuck, please say "oy".

 

[ajwps]

So what if it's a civil war. People are dying and you're doing nothing. You must be as immoral as white christians.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. The Jews are not killing blacks in Darfur because they are sub-human and not Jewish. People are dying all over the world including Israel. Israel has about 5 million people and can neither go sending IDF troops into Darfur nor stop cancer deaths. People dying in a civil war or by diseases taking lives is natures way of population control. Israel does not kill off entire ethnic peoples in genocidal wars.

Some do. Some don't. Some white christians hate jews, some don't. you occupy no moral highground here. Your assertion that white christians will always hate jews is wrong. Your supporting argument:"No one did anything about the nazis until it was in their best interest" is bullshit. But far be it from to attempt to disabuse you of your ethnic paranoia.

Again, I never insinuated that all Christians hate Jews or anyone else. That was the book of Matthew Chapter 7 who stated that ALL evil trees give evil fruit but that ALL good trees do not give off some evil fruit. If the western allies attacked Nazi Germany but was not in their best interest, why do you think they chose to go to a world war instead of stopping a civil war in Germany? Your use of curse words does not speak well for you.

If white christian hate jews because we didn't act according to your time line, then yes, obviously.

What in the Sam-Hill are you talking about? You refer to my time-line not being acted upon? I may feel like the western allies acted in their own self interest but a mysterious side-effect was the end to the destruction of the Jewish people. Was this a conscious thought of Christianity? President FDR gave written orders to the then Army Air Force during WW2 which clearly stated 'do not bomb railroad trains or lines or concentration camps with any extra bombs but simply drop them in open areas of the countries they happened to be.' Franklin Roosevelt also ordered that some 900 Jews who managed to get on a ship called the St. Louis not be allowed to disembark the condemned men, women and children European Jews in the USA nor anywhere else along the north or southern continents. They were ordered to return to France where they disembarked to be sent to the concentrations camps for elimination.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/fdr.html

FDR had some other personal flaws besides being a Stalinist - he was an anti-semite and a racist. Here is his thinking about blacks from his discussion of the Caribbean Islands during the bases for destroyers swap in the summer of 1940 -

I told Winston, listen Winston, those places are nothing but a headache to you – you know that. They cost the British Treasury five million pounds – nearly 25 million dollars - every year. They are nothing but a headache. If you think I want your headaches, you are mistaken. I don’t. Furthermore those places are inhabited by some 8 million dark-skinned gentlemen and I don’t want them coming to the United States and adding to the problem we already have with our 13 million black men. I tell you, Winston, it’s just a headache and you can keep it. - Ward pp. 526-527

FDR deliberately hurt Jews by restricting their immigration to nearly zero and opposing opening refugee camps in N. Africa (Wyman p 117). In June 1939, FDR refused to save 900 Jews aboard the ship St. Louis. FDR repeatedly endorsed the Holocaust - he suppressed news about it (Treasury Report) and would not permit bombing of deportation railways or crematoria at the camps even when it could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives (Wyman p 295). FDR delayed the freeing of prison camps in the Netherlands as long as possible so the Jews would die. Report to the Secretary on the Acquiescence of this Government in the Murder of the Jews, Treasury Department, January 13, 1944, said FDR was "guilty not only of gross procrastination and willful failure to act, but even of willful attempts to prevent action from being taken to rescue Jews from Hitler." Just one fact of many that are in the report - "By the act of 1924, we are permitted to admit approximately 150,000 immigrants each year. During the last fiscal year only 23,725 came as immigrants. Of these only 4,705 were Jews fleeing Nazi persecution."

there is a difference, however it is irrelevant to this discussion.

World wars and civil wars might be irrelevant and closely related to your thinking but not to me, a paranoid Jew.

Hey aj. I've tried to be your friend, but since you're such a schmuck, please say "oy".

No offense taken whitey...... Say penis for you are using gutteral German when you use Yiddush words like schmuck and oy.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Your logic is off, aj. You give no christians credit for stopping the genocide of wwII because it wasn't in time. You make an irrelevant distinction between civil and regular war re: darfur. Like I said, if you insist on being a paranoid jew, who am I stop you. carry on.

 

[ajwps]

Your logic is off, aj. You give no christians credit for stopping the genocide of wwII because it wasn't in time. You make an irrelevant distinction between civil and regular war re: darfur. Like I said, if you insist on being a paranoid jew, who am I stop you. carry on.

You make a very good point in your first sentence. Other than FDR and a few others in his cabinet, the good Christian people of the free world did not know anything about the genocide until they began liberating the concentration camps in 1945.

Your own opinion between civil wars and world wars is yours to make. The USA, in some cases, tries to halt civil wars to save innocent lives but the reality is that no one, not even the United Nations can make one iota of difference when a country fights between waring factions determing the type of government that results from the killing of innocents and armies.

The US is now involved in WW3 and not in a civil war. America was attacked on 09/11 by a foreign group of Islamic terrorists who want to destroy western civilization. This is NOT a civil war.

Israel is fighting an internal war against the same Islamic terrorists, some of whom have gone into Iraq to fight American soldiers.

Israel could commit genocide against the Arabs within her borders in a fraction of a second and wipe out every Arab living on their soil but they have not done so.

If you consider me to be paranoid, well I am. I know enough history to know that there are good and bad people on this earth. The Jews have always been a scapegoat for the problems and woes of countries since the time of Abraham. And I dont expect that fact to change in the near future.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

not even the United Nations can make one iota of difference when a country fights between waring factions determing the type of government that results from the killing of innocents and armies.

the neocon in me says they should, or we should, or israel should, someone should.

The US is now involved in WW3 and not in a civil war. America was attacked on 09/11 by a foreign group of Islamic terrorists who want to destroy western civilization. This is NOT a civil war.

Israel is fighting an internal war against the same Islamic terrorists, some of whom have gone into Iraq to fight American soldiers.

Israel could commit genocide against the Arabs within her borders in a fraction of a second and wipe out every Arab living on their soil but they have not done so.

If you consider me to be paranoid, well I am. I know enough history to know that there are good and bad people on this earth. The Jews have always been a scapegoat for the problems and woes of countries since the time of Abraham. And I dont expect that fact to change in the near future.

I do understand your paranoia, really. You guys have been through some seriously fucked up shit. We must fight immoral socialism and mob rule together, or else anyone above average in any way will be eliminated.

 

[ajwps]

the neocon in me says they should, or we should, or israel should, someone should.

The US and UN actually tried to stop the civil war in Bosnia. To some extent they actually did but not until tens of thousands of Muslims died.

I do understand your paranoia, really. You guys have been through some seriously fucked up shit. We must fight immoral socialism and mob rule together, or else anyone above average in any way will be eliminated.

Human nature and mans hind-brain (brain stem) is responsible for several things like agression, procreation, involuntary neuro-muscular activity like keeping our heart beating, breathing while we sleep and movement of our intestines to keep food moving down and out.

This is the brain area that is responsible for killing or murder, flight or fight, war and rage. War in general is a part of the human psyche and little can be done to change something that was somehow meant to be present for human survival.

The desire to stop wars is on a much higher level of brain activity and is lacking in some societies. (ie., Islamic terrorist).

War, murder and inhumanity to man is taught to them from their mothers breast. Their goal is to die and go to paradise while taking as many unbeleivers as possible along with them.

Eventually, humanity will have to choose between being destroyed or returning to the level of destroying these people. Mankind is learning slowly and painfully.

 

[dilloduck]

So is israel intervening in darfur or do they hate blacks.

Israel would only intervene in Dafur to help any jews who may be there.

 

[ajwps]

Israel would only intervene in Dafur to help any jews who may be there.

If there were Jews in Dafur, Israel would send in planes to evacuate them back to Ben Gurion Airport. The number of Jews in the world are so small at this time, the rescue of these few numbers is of importance to the continuation of the people.

The IDF doesn't interfer in any countries civil war.

 

[DaTroof]

" Which country has supported a spy in the US government, at least twice, strong arms the US for Billions in $$US taxdollars, kills US citizen watchdogs who monitor terrorists within its borders, and sustains a lobby group that makes the NRA look like amateurs???? "

How exactly does Israel "strongarm" the US out of anything ?! What exactly does Israel have over any Arab state in the region that is of such vital importance to the US that it would show obvious bias towards Israel regardless of pissing off 1.4 billion Muslems and countless other Jew-non-fans ?! Could it be oil ?! No wait. That's the Arabs. Perhaps the threat that if the US doesn't cooperate the Israelis will start blowing crap up .. no wait ... Arabs again. I bet you are one of those guys that thinks he's liberal but actually has no issues believing in the Protocols o the Elders of Zion.

A little prespective for you. I doubt that the money the US has spent aiding Israel in all the years combined don't come close to what we have spent in Iraq in the last 2 years .. and it's a better deal. Iraqi's will not like the US anytime soon whereas the US really doesn't have to worry about Israel using any spied information against it.

Sounds to me like you would love for Israel to just concede so that these Arabs will stop blowing crap up. Well, lets do what's right instead. Demand that the Arab nations and Islam as a community own up to the destruction they are causing. You are blaming Israel because it's easier. Lord knows the Arabs sure won't listen.

I've lived in VA. I've seen the NRA building on Rt 66. AIPAC has nothing on it. Israel get's support of US elected officials because it's the one trusted partner that we have in the region. We know that Israel won't fly planes into our officebuildings if it doesn't get it's way. So Israel doesn't have to lobby as hard, it has an easy case.