Wisconsin Recall.. silence

[Seawytch]

Public sector unions are the major reason that so many states, counties and towns are on the verge of bankruptcy. The salaries/benefits of public employees have been so inflated over the past decades... primarily because there was plenty of taxpayer money and since city negotiators didn't have to worry about things like profit, it was easy to give in to union threats and demands.

No, the recession and the housing bubble are the reason states are on the verge of bankruptcy. Public sector employees take lower wages than private sector employees in exchange for pensions and benefits. Now that the states are encountering these financial difficulties, again through no fault of it's public sector employees, those employees promised benefits are being threatened by Republican legislators in order to give MORE tax breaks to wealthy corporations.

And yet public sector employees wages are higher than their private sector counterparts on average. Go figure.

Once again, the reality of the situation is different than the talking points.

Reason Foundation - Comparing Private Sector and Government Worker Salaries

Are Public Sector Workers Overcompensated?

Several analyses of average wages and benefits in the public and private sectors reveal that state and local government workers earn more than private sector workers. According to the most recent Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of December 2009, state and local government employees earned total compensation of $39.60 an hour, compared to $27.42 an hour for private industry workers-a difference of over 44 percent. This includes 35 percent higher wages and nearly 69 percent greater benefits.

Not when adjusted for education. The numbers you quoted takes the entire country and compares it...including minimum wage jobs. Not a fair comparison.

"But when we compare apples to apples, we find that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers," Keefe wrote. "The comparisons—controlling for education, experience, hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability—demonstrate that full-time state and local public employees earn lower wages and receive less in total compensation (including all benefits) than comparable private sector employees.

"Why does it appear otherwise? Both nationally and within Wisconsin, public sector workers are significantly more educated than their private sector counterparts."​

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Fox Business Network's Eric Bolling says Wisconsin teachers get compensated nearly double those in private sector

 

[CoolBreeze]

[Guess the Democrats and labor unions don't like it known that their asses were handed back to them. Maybe this will shut them up.
/QUOTE]

Demonrats and labor unions are like bitchy women, they will never shut up. The best thing to do with them is just to ignore them and get on with the program.

 

[JoeB131]

[Not when adjusted for education. The numbers you quoted takes the entire country and compares it...including minimum wage jobs. Not a fair comparison.

[]"But when we compare apples to apples, we find that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers," Keefe wrote. "The comparisons—controlling for education, experience, hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability—demonstrate that full-time state and local public employees earn lower wages and receive less in total compensation (including all benefits) than comparable private sector employees.

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What are they counding as "apples to apples"? The only Apple to Apple comparison would be private school teachers compared to public school teachers. And for the most part, Public School teachers get paid vastly more than private school teachers, even though they do a much worse job.

So what gives when you look at public-school and private-school teachers? The National Center for Education Statistics puts it this way: Using 2007-2008 data (the latest available), the average "total school-year and summer earned income" for public school teachers was $53,230 . The equivalent for private-school teachers was $39,690.

Public vs Private School Teachers: Who Gets More?

So, wow, a 23% higher salary, great pensions and health care, and they don't even have to do a very good job.

20% of Public School grads can't read their diplomas. Mission Accomplished!

Look SW, the days of you lazy government workers having a pass are coming to an end. YOu are going to have to work for a living like the rest of us.​

 

[Seawytch]

Comparing Private to Public School teachers is also not an apples to apples comparison.

Qualifications for these positions vary by state and school district but typically require at least a bachelor's degree in some form of education, preferably in your area of specialty, and a state teaching certificate.[...]

Many private schools do not require state certification from their educators, although it is recommended and would likely bring a higher salary.

Public School vs. Private School Teacher Salaries

 

[JoeB131]

Comparing Private to Public School teachers is also not an apples to apples comparison.

Qualifications for these positions vary by state and school district but typically require at least a bachelor's degree in some form of education, preferably in your area of specialty, and a state teaching certificate.[...]

Many private schools do not require state certification from their educators, although it is recommended and would likely bring a higher salary.

Public School vs. Private School Teacher Salaries

Sooo, um, if Public School teachers are soooooo much more qualified...

Why do they do such a shitty job?

 

[code1211]

No, the recession and the housing bubble are the reason states are on the verge of bankruptcy. Public sector employees take lower wages than private sector employees in exchange for pensions and benefits. Now that the states are encountering these financial difficulties, again through no fault of it's public sector employees, those employees promised benefits are being threatened by Republican legislators in order to give MORE tax breaks to wealthy corporations.

And yet public sector employees wages are higher than their private sector counterparts on average. Go figure.

Once again, the reality of the situation is different than the talking points.

Reason Foundation - Comparing Private Sector and Government Worker Salaries

Are Public Sector Workers Overcompensated?

Several analyses of average wages and benefits in the public and private sectors reveal that state and local government workers earn more than private sector workers. According to the most recent Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of December 2009, state and local government employees earned total compensation of $39.60 an hour, compared to $27.42 an hour for private industry workers-a difference of over 44 percent. This includes 35 percent higher wages and nearly 69 percent greater benefits.

Not when adjusted for education. The numbers you quoted takes the entire country and compares it...including minimum wage jobs. Not a fair comparison.

"But when we compare apples to apples, we find that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers," Keefe wrote. "The comparisons—controlling for education, experience, hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability—demonstrate that full-time state and local public employees earn lower wages and receive less in total compensation (including all benefits) than comparable private sector employees.

"Why does it appear otherwise? Both nationally and within Wisconsin, public sector workers are significantly more educated than their private sector counterparts."​

​

Fox Business Network's Eric Bolling says Wisconsin teachers get compensated nearly double those in private sector

Why does it APPEAR otherwise? Well, because it is.

 

[code1211]

Comparing Private to Public School teachers is also not an apples to apples comparison.

Qualifications for these positions vary by state and school district but typically require at least a bachelor's degree in some form of education, preferably in your area of specialty, and a state teaching certificate.[...]

Many private schools do not require state certification from their educators, although it is recommended and would likely bring a higher salary.

Public School vs. Private School Teacher Salaries

Typical horse poop. Credentials mean nothing to me. Results are what count. Students in private school get their education at a fraction the cost of public schools and the results are far superior.

Costs less. Provides more.

Your evidence of credntials tells me that the rating system that is used by our educators is simply wrong. How smart the teacher is has nothing to do with whether or not the chillun is larnin.

NAEP Studies - 2006461: Comparing Private Schools and Public Schools Using Hierarchical Linear Modeling

 

[Big Fitz]

Two more contests on Tuesday. The fat lady is still getting her costume on.

I will laugh my ass off if the dems lose both seats. They shouldn't, but if they do, that'd be a MASSIVE repudiation.

 

[Big Fitz]

No, the recession and the housing bubble are the reason states are on the verge of bankruptcy. Public sector employees take lower wages than private sector employees in exchange for pensions and benefits. Now that the states are encountering these financial difficulties, again through no fault of it's public sector employees, those employees promised benefits are being threatened by Republican legislators in order to give MORE tax breaks to wealthy corporations.

And yet public sector employees wages are higher than their private sector counterparts on average. Go figure.

Once again, the reality of the situation is different than the talking points.

Reason Foundation - Comparing Private Sector and Government Worker Salaries

Are Public Sector Workers Overcompensated?

Several analyses of average wages and benefits in the public and private sectors reveal that state and local government workers earn more than private sector workers. According to the most recent Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of December 2009, state and local government employees earned total compensation of $39.60 an hour, compared to $27.42 an hour for private industry workers-a difference of over 44 percent. This includes 35 percent higher wages and nearly 69 percent greater benefits.

Not when adjusted for education. The numbers you quoted takes the entire country and compares it...including minimum wage jobs. Not a fair comparison.

"But when we compare apples to apples, we find that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers," Keefe wrote. "The comparisons—controlling for education, experience, hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability—demonstrate that full-time state and local public employees earn lower wages and receive less in total compensation (including all benefits) than comparable private sector employees.

"Why does it appear otherwise? Both nationally and within Wisconsin, public sector workers are significantly more educated than their private sector counterparts."​

​

Fox Business Network's Eric Bolling says Wisconsin teachers get compensated nearly double those in private sector

Politifucked is

and therefore not a reputable and trustworthy source.

 

[saveliberty]

Hmmm...

So, do you really think my daughter with a computational math degree is less qualified to teach math? Not.

 

[FA_Q2]

Comparing Private to Public School teachers is also not an apples to apples comparison.

Qualifications for these positions vary by state and school district but typically require at least a bachelor's degree in some form of education, preferably in your area of specialty, and a state teaching certificate.[...]

Many private schools do not require state certification from their educators, although it is recommended and would likely bring a higher salary.

Public School vs. Private School Teacher Salaries

For the most part, state certifications are bullshit anyways. Most are a matter of simply filling block that may or may not pertain to the needed skills and attending state ‘classes’ that tech nothing because they are poorly covered schemes to bleed you of your money. I am not familiar with the teacher’s certifications as I am many others but I doubt it is any different than the certifications that child care centers and a host of other certifications that I am intricately familiar with. If I am incorrect, I would love to see something that shows otherwise.

As others have posted, bullshit education is meaningless. It is results that matter and private schools do FAR better. Typically, that education is supposed to make you more effective but if it is not then you certainly should not expect better pay for having it.

 

[FA_Q2]

Hmmm...

So, do you really think my daughter with a computational math degree is less qualified to teach math? Not.

What is your point?

 

[The Infidel]

Two more contests on Tuesday. The fat lady is still getting her costume on.

I will laugh my ass off if the dems lose both seats. They shouldn't, but if they do, that'd be a MASSIVE repudiation.

The silence will be deafening

 

[Conservative]

Dems lost 4 of six recalls so far....

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Even if they win the last two recalls, aimed at unseating Democrats, they STILL don't regain control.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Dems lost 4 of six recalls so far....

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Even if they win the last two recalls, aimed at unseating Democrats, they STILL don't regain control.

Eh.. well, no control...wasted union dues...