Wisconsin: National Guard vs. Unions?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Dr.Traveler, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. Dr.Traveler
    Offline

    Dr.Traveler Mathematician

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    3,952
    Thanks Received:
    652
    Trophy Points:
    190
    Location:
    In a Non-Euclidean Manifold
    Ratings:
    +1,054
    Wisconsin Governor Threatens to Mobilize National Guard Against Public Sector Unions

    Link above is to Huffpost, as its the first link on Google. I saw this on Fox during lunch with my wife, and I'm looking for a link there.

    Short story: Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin is threatening to mobilize the National Guard against public sector unions. Walker has proposed massive cuts to the state budget and strict new laws meant to break the back of public sector unions, in particular, teacher's unions. He has curiously stated publicly that he will exempt police and firefighters from these new regulations (see this link), which is interesting because those are specifically the public sector unions that supported him in his election bid. Very interesting.
     
  2. gekaap
    Offline

    gekaap BANNED

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,795
    Thanks Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +135
    Makes sense. Gotta force those stupid strikers to remember that this is a democracy, dammit.
     
  3. Nosmo King
    Offline

    Nosmo King Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    16,044
    Thanks Received:
    3,310
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Buckle of the Rust Belt
    Ratings:
    +6,328
    How will eliminating the right to collective bargaining reduce the budget deficit? What logic arrives at the conclusion that reducing rights makes for a surplus? Sounds as if it's just another partisan Republican all too ready to resort to force to settle some political argument.

    The typical road of the blind ideologue.
     
  4. Dr.Traveler
    Offline

    Dr.Traveler Mathematician

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    3,952
    Thanks Received:
    652
    Trophy Points:
    190
    Location:
    In a Non-Euclidean Manifold
    Ratings:
    +1,054
    GOP voters go crazy when you target teacher's unions. And if you can target other public sector employees too? Yippee!!!

    What's hilarious here is that one of the public sector employee groups targeted is the snow plow drivers. If you're not familiar with Wisconsin, the punchline here is that if they go on strike, the whole stake goes on strike too. No one goes in to work.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  5. Old Rocks
    Online

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,621
    Thanks Received:
    5,429
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,414
    If the Republicans get their way, this could happen again.

    Battle of Blair Mountain

    Accordingly, It would seem appropriate to remember a forgotten incident of labor history in this issue. A recent publication by Robert Shogan, The Battle of Blair Mountain, deserves our attention. As Cecil Roberts, President of the United Mine Workers of America, says of it: “Now, the real story of America's largest labor uprising—and the largest armed insurrection on U.S. soil since the Civil War—comes alive.” But few know this story: arguably, every worker should.

    In 1921, some 10,000 West Virginia coal workers, outraged over years of brutality and lawless exploitation, picked up their rifles and marched against their tormentors, the powerful mine owners who ruled their corrupt state. For ten days the miners fought a pitched battle against an opposing legion of deputies, state police, and makeshift militia.
    Only the declaration of martial law and the intervention of a federal expeditionary force, spearheaded by a bomber squadron commanded by General Billy Mitchell, ended this undeclared civil war and forced the miners to throw down their arms.

    The upheaval burst forth in the small town of Matewan in Mingo County, the center of West Virginia's richest coal field. This part of the conflict, aptly portrayed in the 1987 John Sayles dramatic film, Matewan, which won the Academy Award for best cinematography, can and should be rented at most video stores. The cast includes Chris Cooper, Mary McDonnell, James Earl Jones, and David Strathairn (all working for union scale) amongst others you'll surely recognize. The labor position on class warfare is powerfully delivered by newly arrived labor organizer Joe Kenehan (Chris Cooper) to the miners:

    Ain't but two sides to this world. Them that work and them that don't. You work, they don't. That's all you got to know about the enemy.
     
  6. FA_Q2
    Offline

    FA_Q2 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2009
    Messages:
    14,329
    Thanks Received:
    2,091
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Washington State
    Ratings:
    +4,329
    You have no idea what a public sector union is then. What you have are government officials that are bargaining with the people that elected them with other people's money. Who do you think they represent in this case? That's right, the unions as they are the ones that put them there. Who are they supposed to represent: YOU. The average Joe taxpayer. The fact of the matter is that the government is supposed to be there for the people in the first place, there is no need for the union there. The government needs to balance the needs of the people with the direct needs of the workers and can perform that duty as he is not a corporation that is bent on minimizing compensation for profit. The government has no profit and no need of minimizing compensation for it.
     
  7. bucs90
    Offline

    bucs90 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2010
    Messages:
    26,548
    Thanks Received:
    5,995
    Trophy Points:
    280
    Ratings:
    +19,210
    So armed government military forcing private workers back into their labor?

    This right winger doesn't like what that reminds me of. (Hint: USSR)
     
  8. bodecea
    Offline

    bodecea Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2009
    Messages:
    89,170
    Thanks Received:
    10,382
    Trophy Points:
    2,030
    Location:
    #HasNoClothes
    Ratings:
    +23,693
    I'd like to see the Guard either a) take over the teachers' classrooms, or b) force the teachers back at bayonet point.
    :eusa_whistle:
     
  9. Nosmo King
    Offline

    Nosmo King Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    16,044
    Thanks Received:
    3,310
    Trophy Points:
    290
    Location:
    Buckle of the Rust Belt
    Ratings:
    +6,328
    So, while you recognize corporations for minimizing compensation to enhance profit, you must then concede collective bargaining as a means to ensure just compensation. Why then should public sector workers lose that right? Is labor just a commodity to the private sector? Is the labor of public sector employees less valued and therefore unworthy of the same rights enjoyed by private sector workers? Should the workplace provided by the state be less just, safe and equitable?
     
  10. FA_Q2
    Offline

    FA_Q2 Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2009
    Messages:
    14,329
    Thanks Received:
    2,091
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    Washington State
    Ratings:
    +4,329
    Oops, maybe I should clarify....

    I am against public sector unions but NOT for their forced work through any means. I actually like what Regan did when the air traffic controllers struck. If you are a necessary force for the public and you do not want to go to work then you're fired. There are TONS of people that need a job right now. Might be a good opportunity.
     

Share This Page