Wisconsin collective bargaining law result

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    P.s.,

    Those two parts which were struck down being gone will make things nicer for the unions. The recertification requirement of the law was harsh and it's good that it's gone. And people should be allowed to direct deposit their union dues, as long as it is their choice to do so. So that's cool.

    However most of the law is intact.
     
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    Walkers downfall will be the poor economic performance in his state as a result of his policies.
     
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    You mean the current sluggish economic performance of the state as a result of a year of constant protests at the state capitol?



    Well, hopefully we will turn around in spite of the concerted attempts of unions to scare business away.



    Time will tell.
     
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    So shouldn't the entire law go like many on the right say about Obamacare if one part is struck down?

    Ohh but Obamacare is something the right does not like so different rules :D
     
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    For those who don't want their brains scrambled trying to comprehend this ruling, I will break it down.

    Wisconsin passed a law which took away collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. You may recall the big fight over that which has led to an upcoming recall election of Governor Walker.

    The law allows "public safety" employees to continue to collectively bargain as before.

    So the first point of contention by the plaintiffs was this new creation of a separate "public safety" employee category. They contended these were those public employees who had supported Walker in his election, and that is why he made a carve-out for them.

    The court ruled that "public safety" is easily understood and defined and that it is rational to define them separately from the guy who sweeps the floor at your local public school. They also pointed out that while the "public safety" category included supporters of Walker, it also contained state employees who did not.



    The second point of contention was that "general employee" unions were required to recertify every year and needed a majority vote in favor of unionizing each time. While general employee unions had most of their collective bargaining rights removed, they could still bargain over base pay. They could not bargain over any other benefits like pay bonuses and such.

    The court ruled that there was no valid reason provided by the state for annual recertification, and so this requirement was nullified.

    The final point of contention was that the law removed compulsory union dues, and also disallowed automatic pay allotments for dues. The court reinstated both of these.


    The removal of collective bargaining rights for general employees that is the central part of the law was not challenged and so remains in force.
     
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    You should bone up on "severability".
     
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    lol - this was a highly severable part of the law. Not a linchpin. For reals. :thup:
     
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    Compulsory dues paying is abhorrent. And that was also reinstated.
     
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    Several parts of Obamacare scould survive alone.
    The preexisting conditions part for instance.
     

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