Wireless car charging

[BoycottTheday]

The Tesla is a sports car, not an economy car. The only proper way to drive it is full throttle .

Over a cliff. POS.That it is. Sue me please.

 

[KissMy]

Here we go again.

Tesla takes BBC's 'Top Gear' to court : Hot Topics

When you think about it, running the piss out of most sports cars will dramatically cut the mileage by 80%. A sports car with a 15 gallon tank driven hard on a track will only get about 60 miles on a tank. The thing is that you can simply refuel them in minutes.

Indy cars get 1.9-mpg. They burn more than 1.3 gallons per lap on average. At wide open throttle they likely get under 1-mpg.

Top Gear Producers, Tesla Reps Continue Bickering Over Lawsuit

Recently, Top Gear’s executive producer Andy Wilman responded to the suit in a blog post on the show’s website, providing a detailed counterpoint to each claim.

He starts with the Roadster’s range, claiming the show never refuted the company’s advertised range of 211 miles, but instead boasted a short 55-mile range based on hard track use. He points out that Tesla engineers back in California confirmed their calculations.

The Tesla is a sports car, not an economy car. The only proper way to drive it is full throttle.

True - But driving a gas powered Elise full throttle is going to get you about 4-mpg or a range of 45 miles because it only has an 11 gallon tank. Driving it like a pussy it gets 21-mpg & range of 230. So the Tesla version is moving more weight & putting more power to the ground & ranging further than the original gas powered version.

Gas cars are the result of over a 100 of refinement. Tesla has done remarkable on its first version. The next generation will iron out all of the bugs & be a nice piece of equipment.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When you think about it, running the piss out of most sports cars will dramatically cut the mileage by 80%. A sports car with a 15 gallon tank driven hard on a track will only get about 60 miles on a tank. The thing is that you can simply refuel them in minutes.

Indy cars get 1.9-mpg. They burn more than 1.3 gallons per lap on average. At wide open throttle they likely get under 1-mpg.

Top Gear Producers, Tesla Reps Continue Bickering Over Lawsuit

The Tesla is a sports car, not an economy car. The only proper way to drive it is full throttle.

True - But driving a gas powered Elise full throttle is going to get you about 4-mpg or a range of 45 miles because it only has an 11 gallon tank. Driving it like a pussy it gets 21-mpg & range of 230. So the Tesla version is moving more weight & putting more power to the ground & ranging further than the original gas powered version.

Gas cars are the result of over a 100 of refinement. Tesla has done remarkable on its first version. The next generation will iron out all of the bugs & be a nice piece of equipment.

We shall see.

By the way, electric engines have been around, and are as refined, as gasoline engines. The problem is not the engine, it is the batteries. That is not going to improve until new technology delivers high yield and low mass batteries. That is not going to happen for a while. Tesla would be better off using diesel generator to supply power for the electric engine than trying to use batteries.

 

[gslack]

When you think about it, running the piss out of most sports cars will dramatically cut the mileage by 80%. A sports car with a 15 gallon tank driven hard on a track will only get about 60 miles on a tank. The thing is that you can simply refuel them in minutes.

Indy cars get 1.9-mpg. They burn more than 1.3 gallons per lap on average. At wide open throttle they likely get under 1-mpg.

Top Gear Producers, Tesla Reps Continue Bickering Over Lawsuit

The Tesla is a sports car, not an economy car. The only proper way to drive it is full throttle.

True - But driving a gas powered Elise full throttle is going to get you about 4-mpg or a range of 45 miles because it only has an 11 gallon tank. Driving it like a pussy it gets 21-mpg & range of 230. So the Tesla version is moving more weight & putting more power to the ground & ranging further than the original gas powered version.

Gas cars are the result of over a 100 of refinement. Tesla has done remarkable on its first version. The next generation will iron out all of the bugs & be a nice piece of equipment.

Can't refuel and keep going in a couple minutes along a stop off any highway in the country though. Its a pointless argument. It will take hours to recharge and no recharge spot on the highway or state routes.

As I said its a gimmick tailored to the very wealthy who wan't a new toy.

 

[KissMy]

The Tesla is a sports car, not an economy car. The only proper way to drive it is full throttle.

True - But driving a gas powered Elise full throttle is going to get you about 4-mpg or a range of 45 miles because it only has an 11 gallon tank. Driving it like a pussy it gets 21-mpg & range of 230. So the Tesla version is moving more weight & putting more power to the ground & ranging further than the original gas powered version.

Gas cars are the result of over a 100 of refinement. Tesla has done remarkable on its first version. The next generation will iron out all of the bugs & be a nice piece of equipment.

Can't refuel and keep going in a couple minutes along a stop off any highway in the country though. Its a pointless argument. It will take hours to recharge and no recharge spot on the highway or state routes.

As I said its a gimmick tailored to the very wealthy who wan't a new toy.

Yeah - I never was much for plug-in charging the battery system. The only way to make it work is battery swap. There has to be a standard battery for all cars & trucks. Large vehicles would use 2 or 3 whiles the small ones use 1. Every battery would have a chip inside that tracked serial number, age, charge cycles, battery condition & amount of charge giving each battery a value curve. This would credit you money if you left a newer better battery in exchange for an older one & charge you if you took a newer one & left an old one.

A driver would pull into the station & hit a button to lower the battery out onto the ground. The battery would have casters so you roll it into the charging slot. You roll the charged one out & under the car, hit the button retracting the battery back into the socket. So you are off & running just as fast as a gas car.

 

[gslack]

True - But driving a gas powered Elise full throttle is going to get you about 4-mpg or a range of 45 miles because it only has an 11 gallon tank. Driving it like a pussy it gets 21-mpg & range of 230. So the Tesla version is moving more weight & putting more power to the ground & ranging further than the original gas powered version.

Gas cars are the result of over a 100 of refinement. Tesla has done remarkable on its first version. The next generation will iron out all of the bugs & be a nice piece of equipment.

Can't refuel and keep going in a couple minutes along a stop off any highway in the country though. Its a pointless argument. It will take hours to recharge and no recharge spot on the highway or state routes.

As I said its a gimmick tailored to the very wealthy who wan't a new toy.

Yeah - I never was much for plug-in charging the battery system. The only way to make it work is battery swap. There has to be a standard battery for all cars & trucks. Large vehicles would use 2 or 3 whiles the small ones use 1. Every battery would have a chip inside that tracked serial number, age, charge cycles, battery condition & amount of charge giving each battery a value curve. This would credit you money if you left a newer better battery in exchange for an older one & charge you if you took a newer one & left an old one.

A driver would pull into the station & hit a button to lower the battery out onto the ground. The battery would have casters so you roll it into the charging slot. You roll the charged one out & under the car, hit the button retracting the battery back into the socket. So you are off & running just as fast as a gas car.

That sounds fine but we are still faced with the fact there is not a system using a single battery. Along with that each "charging station" would require at minimum of 2-3 batteries per car that would come in. That would make storage and cost an issue. Not to mention what about travelers? People going from one area to the next would throw the system off and someone would go without in that area.

Charging a car and driving it on batteries even with new tech which transfers braking energy to charge the batteries, is just not feasible. Baring some extraordinary change in electricity storage and containment, its just not going to work. And we aren't even addressing emergency vehicles or tractor trailers yet.

To live the way we do and still be able to travel where we want when we want, will require something that can be as portable and convenient as gasoline or Diesel. Hydrogen fuel cell tech is the most promising but currently the ability to make pure hydrogen, costs to make it, and environmental issues its manufacture raises make it nonviable right now.

There is research out there to address fuel issues in the future but right now its not ready.

Plugging in a car will in effect be moving society backwards.

 

[KissMy]

Here is the battery charging technology breakthrough that will put the electric car on par with gas. The 53kWh Tesla battery will require a 2,700 amp buss & draw the power required for 20 homes for a period of 5 minutes. I don't know how you could keep the battery cool with that much power surging into it that fast. I know the Tesla uses liquid cooling that allows the battery to drain in 40 minutes without overheating. This will be 8 times more heat but only for 5 minutes. It still may work.

New battery technology may allow for complete recharging within minutes

The speed at which conventional batteries are able to charge or discharge can be dramatically increased by changing the form of their active material into a thin film, but such films have typically lacked the volume to be able to store a significant amount of energy. In the case of Braun's batteries, however, that thin film has been formed into a three-dimensional structure, thus increasing its storage capacity.

Batteries equipped with the 3D film have been demonstrated to work normally in electrical devices, while being able to charge and discharge 10 to 100 times faster than their conventional counterparts.

To make the three-dimensional thin film, the researchers coated a surface with nanoscale spheres, which self-assembled into a lattice-like arrangement. The spaces between and around the spheres were then coated with metal, after which the spheres were melted or dissolved away, leaving the metal as a framework of empty pores. Electropolishing was then used to enlarge the pores and open up the framework, after which it was coated with a layer of the active material – both lithium-ion and nickel metal hydride batteries were created.

The system utilizes processes already used on a large scale, so it would reportedly be easy to scale up. It could also be used with any type of battery, not just Li-ion and NiMH.

The implications for electric vehicles are particularly exciting. "If you had the ability to charge rapidly, instead of taking hours to charge the vehicle you could potentially have vehicles that would charge in similar times as needed to refuel a car with gasoline," Braun said. "If you had five-minute charge capability, you would think of this the same way you do an internal combustion engine. You would just pull up to a charging station and fill up."

 

[KissMy]

Hydrogen Storage Alloy

Hydrogen storage alloys have a useful and unique property - these alloys have the capacity to absorb and desorb hydrogen. Many applications have been developed to take advantage of this unique property including rechargeable batteries, heating and cooling systems, and hydrogen storage systems for fuel cells.

 

[sitarro]

Until another alternative energy form come around, electric cars are the wave of the future. To make them easy to charge, Evatran has developed a wireless charging system.

The base stations are made of a charging disc that sits on the floor of your garage or driveway. You then drive your car over the disc and it wirelessly charges the car's electric battery. You need a special adapter inside the engine to do the charging, but that's about it.

Evatran is testing the system with a handful of fleet Chevy Volts and is hoping to mass produce the units late in 2012. Convenience comes with a price tag as the units now are priced at $2,000 for an indoor unit and $3,00 for an outdoor unit. These prices are expected to drop as the technology develops.

Evatran Brings Wireless Charging To Cars

Good luck with the public driving electric in mass, if it ever happens, start a tow company because they will be sitting on the sides of every road. I work with electric vehicles everyday. They suck in the winter, they suck in the heat....... batteries are ridiculously expensive and don't last worth a shit. Then you have the dimwitted public that leave them turned on with lights and are surprised when they don't go. That and they are incredibly ugly.

True, many people are too stupid to learn how to properly use an electric vehicle.

That's what I'm saying, the same people that couldn't see that Barack Obama was nothing more than an empty suit would be the same people with dead batteries on the side of the road........ I see it where I work..... those are the same asshole that refuse to take responsibility for anything in their lives and were ardent supporters of Obama merely because of the color of his skin..... imbeciles.

 

[gslack]

Here is the battery charging technology breakthrough that will put the electric car on par with gas. The 53kWh Tesla battery will require a 2,700 amp buss & draw the power required for 20 homes for a period of 5 minutes. I don't know how you could keep the battery cool with that much power surging into it that fast. I know the Tesla uses liquid cooling that allows the battery to drain in 40 minutes without overheating. This will be 8 times more heat but only for 5 minutes. It still may work.

New battery technology may allow for complete recharging within minutes

The speed at which conventional batteries are able to charge or discharge can be dramatically increased by changing the form of their active material into a thin film, but such films have typically lacked the volume to be able to store a significant amount of energy. In the case of Braun's batteries, however, that thin film has been formed into a three-dimensional structure, thus increasing its storage capacity.

Batteries equipped with the 3D film have been demonstrated to work normally in electrical devices, while being able to charge and discharge 10 to 100 times faster than their conventional counterparts.

To make the three-dimensional thin film, the researchers coated a surface with nanoscale spheres, which self-assembled into a lattice-like arrangement. The spaces between and around the spheres were then coated with metal, after which the spheres were melted or dissolved away, leaving the metal as a framework of empty pores. Electropolishing was then used to enlarge the pores and open up the framework, after which it was coated with a layer of the active material – both lithium-ion and nickel metal hydride batteries were created.

The system utilizes processes already used on a large scale, so it would reportedly be easy to scale up. It could also be used with any type of battery, not just Li-ion and NiMH.

The implications for electric vehicles are particularly exciting. "If you had the ability to charge rapidly, instead of taking hours to charge the vehicle you could potentially have vehicles that would charge in similar times as needed to refuel a car with gasoline," Braun said. "If you had five-minute charge capability, you would think of this the same way you do an internal combustion engine. You would just pull up to a charging station and fill up."

Having to liquid cool a battery for charging sounds dangerous to me. The new tech sounds promising though.

 

[BoycottTheday]

One problem: electric vehicles have no soul.

Not surprised you liberals are so out of touch with the end user

that you wouldnt give a chit.