Winningest General?

Discussion in 'Military' started by PoliticalChic, Apr 27, 2014.

  1. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    35,867
    Thanks Received:
    9,524
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +10,232
    Today, April 27th, is the birthday of the only general to force the unconditional surrender of three armies!

    No other American general has done that.

    Was it Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, George Washington or Winfield Scott?


    None of 'em.


    He was appointed Secretary of War.....turned around and gave the appointment back to the original holder of the office.



    Who was it?
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  2. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    35,867
    Thanks Received:
    9,524
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +10,232
    The man who fought a losing battle with cancer to complete his memoirs, so that he could leave an inheritance to his family.........

    ....Ulysses S. Grant.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    35,867
    Thanks Received:
    9,524
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +10,232
    Eisenhower and Grant were the only two West Point graduates to become president, and neither had ever been elected to any public office.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  4. editec
    Offline

    editec Mr. Forgot-it-All

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    41,427
    Thanks Received:
    5,590
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Maine
    Ratings:
    +5,592
    What 3 armies did Grant force into unconditional surrender?
     
  5. PoliticalChic
    Offline

    PoliticalChic Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    35,867
    Thanks Received:
    9,524
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    Ratings:
    +10,232
  6. regent
    Offline

    regent Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,635
    Thanks Received:
    475
    Trophy Points:
    130
    Ratings:
    +547
    Yep, and FDR used the same phrase during WWII and now it has been questioned as prolonging the war with Japan. By the way, Grant was also called "butcher Grant" because of his tactics.
     
  7. whitehall
    Offline

    whitehall Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    19,091
    Thanks Received:
    2,302
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Western Va.
    Ratings:
    +2,577
    The victors write the history books. If a general is willing to sacrifice unlimited troops he can overwhelm any enemy force but at a terrible cost to his own side. I would argue that the smartest general in US history was Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.
     
  8. regent
    Offline

    regent Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2012
    Messages:
    4,635
    Thanks Received:
    475
    Trophy Points:
    130
    Ratings:
    +547
    My take on generals is that most can do a good job if put into the right slot or command. Ike was given his job because of his diplomatic ability. To coordinate all the nations took a great deal of diplomacy. Patton was a great fighting general he was in the right slot but to put Patton in Ike's slot would have been a blunder. Lincoln had a real problem finding the right general. Those generals in the wrong slot cost America, but fortunately by the time one is a general and a war arises, most of the West Pointers knew the other officers weaknesses and strengths.
     
  9. whitehall
    Offline

    whitehall Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    19,091
    Thanks Received:
    2,302
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Western Va.
    Ratings:
    +2,577
    Like I said, "the victors write the history books". There were strong rumors about Grant's dependence on alcohol but pop-history dismisses the allegations for obvious reasons. Grant ordered his Troops to "make waste" to the South and apparently the Union Army considered the order to be authorization for atrocity. Grant sanctioned his army to commit atrocities that modern commanders would be hanged for. Incidentally his political administration is considered by honest historians to be the most corrupt in US history.
     
  10. Sunni Man
    Offline

    Sunni Man Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,219
    Thanks Received:
    3,937
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Dar al Harb
    Ratings:
    +4,314
  11. whitehall
    Offline

    whitehall Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    19,091
    Thanks Received:
    2,302
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Western Va.
    Ratings:
    +2,577
    Strange choice. Giap lost every major battle in the Vietnam conflict. After Tet his forces no longer existed but Walter Cronkite gave him some breathing room when he declared the US victory to be a "stalemate". Stupid LBJ gave Giap some more propaganda wiggle room when he threw in the towel on public T.V. and tearfully declared he would not run again.
     
  12. Sunni Man
    Offline

    Sunni Man Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,219
    Thanks Received:
    3,937
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Dar al Harb
    Ratings:
    +4,314
    In his early years Gen. Giap helped defeat the Japanese as a field commander.

    And as a General defeated both the French and later the Americans.

    Gen. Giap was astute enough to realize that all wars have both a political and military aspect to them.

    And that it's only the final outcome that matters in war. .. :cool:
     
  13. whitehall
    Offline

    whitehall Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    19,091
    Thanks Received:
    2,302
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Western Va.
    Ratings:
    +2,577
    A "field commander" didn't defeat the Japanese. He just followed orders. The French had no heart for war and when it came to real military strategy against the Americans Giap failed on every battlefield. Only the battles matter to the generals. The final outcome is political.
     
  14. HenryBHough
    Offline

    HenryBHough Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2011
    Messages:
    9,168
    Thanks Received:
    1,919
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Oak Grove, Massachusetts
    Ratings:
    +2,382
  15. Sunni Man
    Offline

    Sunni Man Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,219
    Thanks Received:
    3,937
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Dar al Harb
    Ratings:
    +4,314
    Make all of the excuses you want.....but America lost the Vietnam War.

    btw I am a US Army VNV 1970-71 . :cool:
     
  16. HenryBHough
    Offline

    HenryBHough Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2011
    Messages:
    9,168
    Thanks Received:
    1,919
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Oak Grove, Massachusetts
    Ratings:
    +2,382
    America has not won a war since we lost the last president who understood that wars are meant to be won.

    Rest in peace, Harry S Truman. Today's Democrats would try you as a war criminal.
     
  17. JakeStarkey
    Offline

    JakeStarkey Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2009
    Messages:
    79,215
    Thanks Received:
    6,929
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +7,842
    Grant is the only CW general in the Civil War to destroy enemy armies in the field, and he did it more than once>
     
  18. Sunni Man
    Offline

    Sunni Man Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Messages:
    31,219
    Thanks Received:
    3,937
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Dar al Harb
    Ratings:
    +4,314
    America hasn't fought a Constitutional defensive war since WWII .. :cool:
     
  19. mamooth
    Offline

    mamooth Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Messages:
    6,067
    Thanks Received:
    1,027
    Trophy Points:
    192
    Location:
    Indianapolis, Indiana
    Ratings:
    +1,158
    Zhukov.

    Winningest general, that is. Mainly because he'd been fighting nonstop since 1941, not to mention thrashing the Japanese in 1938.

    Maybe Ghenghis Khan did better, but I assume we're sticking with the modern era.
     
  20. whitehall
    Offline

    whitehall Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    19,091
    Thanks Received:
    2,302
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Location:
    Western Va.
    Ratings:
    +2,577
    Zhukov was nothing but a bulchivek butcher. The only thing he had going for himself was unlimited Russian cannon fodder. He gets credit for winning the battle of Moscow but the winter and lack of supplies killed the German army and he still lost an incredible amount of troops against German corpses.
     

Share This Page

Search tags for this page

winningest general in history