Winning Strategies for the GOP: Part 1, Every Vote Counts, Only Once

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Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.
Until the Democrats ADMIT, they already know it but the only way they can get elected is to keep up the give aways to the moochers for their votes, that we have a SPENDING problem.
We know it and will never change that.

Yeah, those "47%" comments, they worked out so well for you guys.

Please, please, please go ahead and drop the social conservative stuff and just push the raw plutocracy. It would be truly refreshing.

If you guys were REALLY fiscal conservatives, you wouldn't be for tax cuts for rich people, expensive weapons systems we don't need, and bridges to nowhere in the Red States.
 
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Acting like it won't do it.
You have to buy the brown vote.

With rich people's money, that's what makes it soooooo sweet!

You're scum.
I remember not too long ago you were anti obama, all that anti obama things you said in the past was a fucsada wasn't it? you were faking it

NOpe, I still think Obama's a mediocre president. And I was seriously willing to give the Republicans a look.

Until you nominated the fucking Mormon.
 
Instead of your sore-loser fantasies about this imaginary vote fraud, you could try changing your party so it doesn't hold positions that suck so badly. You need to give someone besides plutocrats, preachers and xenophobes a reason to vote Republican.

By the way, your fellow Republicans won't stand for any restriction of absentee ballots, as that's a big source of Republican votes-via-fraud.

so a incumbent Democrat wins re-election after only being President for four years so that means Republicans have to change..
Obama won by a very small number of votes yet the Republicans have to change...
this is LAUGHABLE you people believe the country has now turned totally Progressive so we should just give it up and come over to the dark side.

Republicans have lost 4 of the past 6 Presidential elections.
Republicans have lost 5 of the past 6 elections in the Presidential popular vote.
Republicans have lost 5 of the past 6 elections amongst moderates.

So, yeah, the party has to change.

To start, stop calling everyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aid a RINO.
 
Progressives were able to take a legitimate issue, massive Voter fraud in Democrat controlled cities, and make it as if Republicans were the problem. They played it perfectly and because Republicans haven't figured out how and why we got played, we lost in 2012. Had the election been held in purple-fingered Baghdad, Romney would have won in a landslide.

So what can we do?

It's simple.

We don't want to appear that we're "Disenfranchising" minorities, we should embrace their participation in the democratic, but not Democratic process.

The problem is two-fold: Democrats stuff the ballot box, but then they do the counting.

We can control the stuffing process with Voter ID and a serious clamp down on absentee ballots (Blank checks), but more importantly, WE NEED TO OPEN THE COUNTING PROCESS TO BROAD DAYLIGHT!

Think of the show "Survivor" and Probst is counting ballots to see who is voted off the Island. When Dems control the count, thought the ballot says "Romney" Dems counted it as "Obama". We need to get the counting process out into the open. No more we will allow counts behind closed doors where boxes full of ballots magically appear in close races.

We can even mock the Democrat counting process as described above and that's our first step to ending the Party of Boss Tweed's stranglehold on vote counting which becomes voter fraud.

Dumb ass, you lost because the majority of voters did not like what you offered. You continue in this vein and you will continue to lose.
 
Progressives were able to take a legitimate issue, massive Voter fraud in Democrat controlled cities, and make it as if Republicans were the problem. They played it perfectly and because Republicans haven't figured out how and why we got played, we lost in 2012. Had the election been held in purple-fingered Baghdad, Romney would have won in a landslide.

So what can we do?

It's simple.

We don't want to appear that we're "Disenfranchising" minorities, we should embrace their participation in the democratic, but not Democratic process.

The problem is two-fold: Democrats stuff the ballot box, but then they do the counting.

We can control the stuffing process with Voter ID and a serious clamp down on absentee ballots (Blank checks), but more importantly, WE NEED TO OPEN THE COUNTING PROCESS TO BROAD DAYLIGHT!

Think of the show "Survivor" and Probst is counting ballots to see who is voted off the Island. When Dems control the count, thought the ballot says "Romney" Dems counted it as "Obama". We need to get the counting process out into the open. No more we will allow counts behind closed doors where boxes full of ballots magically appear in close races.

We can even mock the Democrat counting process as described above and that's our first step to ending the Party of Boss Tweed's stranglehold on vote counting which becomes voter fraud.

Some people will never understand you can't keep making welfare comfortable that will make people want to stay in the government supper table.
Yeah....they need to get into the oil-business, where that same kind o' cash is called $ub$idie$.
 
Instead of your sore-loser fantasies about this imaginary vote fraud, you could try changing your party so it doesn't hold positions that suck so badly. You need to give someone besides plutocrats, preachers and xenophobes a reason to vote Republican.

By the way, your fellow Republicans won't stand for any restriction of absentee ballots, as that's a big source of Republican votes-via-fraud.

so a incumbent Democrat wins re-election after only being President for four years so that means Republicans have to change..
Obama won by a very small number of votes yet the Republicans have to change...
this is LAUGHABLE you people believe the country has now turned totally Progressive so we should just give it up and come over to the dark side.

Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.
Until the Democrats ADMIT, they already know it but the only way they can get elected is to keep up the give aways to the moochers for their votes, that we have a SPENDING problem.
We know it and will never change that.

The repubs picked up votes and electorial college numbers. It is hard to beat an incumbent, even harder when the MSM is totally in their corner. The liberal left got nasty which may or may not have influenced the outcome. What we do know is that the election was NOT about the economy.
 
Instead of your sore-loser fantasies about this imaginary vote fraud, you could try changing your party so it doesn't hold positions that suck so badly. You need to give someone besides plutocrats, preachers and xenophobes a reason to vote Republican.

By the way, your fellow Republicans won't stand for any restriction of absentee ballots, as that's a big source of Republican votes-via-fraud.

so a incumbent Democrat wins re-election after only being President for four years so that means Republicans have to change..
Obama won by a very small number of votes yet the Republicans have to change...
this is LAUGHABLE you people believe the country has now turned totally Progressive so we should just give it up and come over to the dark side.

Republicans have lost 4 of the past 6 Presidential elections.
Republicans have lost 5 of the past 6 elections in the Presidential popular vote.
Republicans have lost 5 of the past 6 elections amongst moderates.

So, yeah, the party has to change.

To start, stop calling everyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aid a RINO.

By pandering to the religious right and the extreme wing for the last 12 years, the GOP has lost the middle, the young, and minorities. As well as women. And to move back to the center, they will lose some of the people that have been the biggest supporters. But will not gain from the center for a couple of elections while people watch to see if the move is real, or just a chimera.

This RINO thing is the epitome of the stupidity demostrated by so many that are having a major influence in the GOP at present. The GOP let the Teabaggers dictate kicking out some moderate GOP senators, celebrated it as a great ideological cleansing of the party, then seemed stunned that those seats were taken by Democrats. The majority of American Citizens do not want the extreme ideologues in power, not from the left or the right.
 
Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.

I agree. The message of lower taxes and less government spending is an appealing message to Americans. But Americans also like social security, medicare and defense, which is 75% of the federal budget. Entitlements have to be reformed, and need to have a serious discussion about how we are going to finance entitlements, because if we don't, they are going to eat us alive, particularly medicare. Unless things change dramatically, that's a mathematical fact. Also, Republicans need to have a serious discussion on defense. It seems that the only posture Republicans take on defense spending is "more is never enough," as if all the criticisms about bloat, waste and inefficiency Republicans say are in the government never occur in the military.

Gay marriage is an absolute loser for the Republican party. It's going to happen. Republicans should just drop it.
 
so a incumbent Democrat wins re-election after only being President for four years so that means Republicans have to change..
Obama won by a very small number of votes yet the Republicans have to change...
this is LAUGHABLE you people believe the country has now turned totally Progressive so we should just give it up and come over to the dark side.

Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.
Until the Democrats ADMIT, they already know it but the only way they can get elected is to keep up the give aways to the moochers for their votes, that we have a SPENDING problem.
We know it and will never change that.

The repubs picked up votes and electorial college numbers. It is hard to beat an incumbent, even harder when the MSM is totally in their corner. The liberal left got nasty which may or may not have influenced the outcome. What we do know is that the election was NOT about the economy.

The hell it was not! You people offered the same policies that nearly put us in the Second Great Republican Depression. Then you are surprised that the voters rejected your party?

The Crash happened in October of 2008. That was only 4 years ago. The majority of voters knew exactly who was resposible for that, and they did not blame our President for what the GOP created.

Now if the GOP chooses to create another fiscal crisis, then the voters will remember that in 2014.
 
so a incumbent Democrat wins re-election after only being President for four years so that means Republicans have to change..
Obama won by a very small number of votes yet the Republicans have to change...
this is LAUGHABLE you people believe the country has now turned totally Progressive so we should just give it up and come over to the dark side.

Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.
Until the Democrats ADMIT, they already know it but the only way they can get elected is to keep up the give aways to the moochers for their votes, that we have a SPENDING problem.
We know it and will never change that.

The repubs picked up votes and electorial college numbers. It is hard to beat an incumbent, even harder when the MSM is totally in their corner. The liberal left got nasty which may or may not have influenced the outcome. What we do know is that the election was NOT about the economy.

The election was TOTALLY about the economy. Trickle-Down Economics is SCARY, and the voters rejected it. Only 30% of the votes Obama got were votes FOR him - the rest of us were voting against a return to the policies that crashed us in '08.
 
Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.
Until the Democrats ADMIT, they already know it but the only way they can get elected is to keep up the give aways to the moochers for their votes, that we have a SPENDING problem.
We know it and will never change that.

The repubs picked up votes and electorial college numbers. It is hard to beat an incumbent, even harder when the MSM is totally in their corner. The liberal left got nasty which may or may not have influenced the outcome. What we do know is that the election was NOT about the economy.

The election was TOTALLY about the economy. Trickle-Down Economics is SCARY, and the voters rejected it. Only 30% of the votes Obama got were votes FOR him - the rest of us were voting against a return to the policies that crashed us in '08.

well good, I hope it works out for you all, 8%unemployment for all of obama's first term..good luck
 
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VOTING MACHINES are a menace to democracy. That much is obvious

Like you Crus, I not longer have confidence in the electoral process.

I didn't have it when Bush II won, I didn't have it this round, either.

Personally I think this round the MASTERS choose for Obama to win.

I think that in part explains why MITT seems to have set out to destroy his chances of winning.

NOt that I wanted the Mittster to win, but still...it's very disturbing to think that our elections are now fraudalent.

Oh boy
 
If you interpret fiscal conservatism as the reducing benefits for the 99% while keeping them in place for the 1%, the GOP is going have a real problem selling that. Until that attitude concerning the 47% is changed, the GOP will not be able to sell it's brand to the American Citizen.

Now should the GOP, instead of denigrating those in the military, the seniors, and the young people entering the work force at minimum wage jobs, take steps that would increase the income of these people to where they could join the rest of us in paying taxes, they would have something to sell. But just stating that they want to take some of the very little that these people have won't do a thing for the party.
 
If the Republicans ever denounce Trickle Down Voodoo Economics and jettison pretty much their entire social agenda, I'll take a look to the right again at ballot time.

Until then, pass! :eusa_hand:

Reagan's started the greatest peace time expansion of the economy in history.
Which Clinton was able to ride, thanks to a GOP congress, for his whole 8 years. What Clinton did do is f...k the country with free trade agreements. What is happening today was predicted then, there is no denying that the president that has done the most harm to the US economy, or should I say working man, was WJC. To that there is no doubt. At least until we see the full effects of Obamatax. Maybe natural gas will bail out the economy, I am hoping so.

Reagan tripled the national debt and started the ball rolling on the decline of the middle class.
 
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On one hand, GOP Presidential candidates would help themselves by leaving social issues like abortion and gay rights to the states, keeping those issues away from the Democrats to pounce on.

On the other hand, much of the damage to the GOP brand has been done at the state level, by candidates who talk about "legitimate rape" and provide other easy targets for the Dems.

Live by social issues, die by social issues, I reckon.

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The repubs picked up votes and electorial college numbers. It is hard to beat an incumbent, even harder when the MSM is totally in their corner. The liberal left got nasty which may or may not have influenced the outcome. What we do know is that the election was NOT about the economy.

The election was TOTALLY about the economy. Trickle-Down Economics is SCARY, and the voters rejected it. Only 30% of the votes Obama got were votes FOR him - the rest of us were voting against a return to the policies that crashed us in '08.

well good, I hope it works out for you all, 8%unemployment for all of obama's first term..good luck

Had we had the policies in place that you people advocated, the unemployment would be over 30%, and we would be in a worldwide depression. Go sell that KoolAid to the very stupid, that are the only people that will buy it.
 
If you interpret fiscal conservatism as the reducing benefits for the 99% while keeping them in place for the 1%, the GOP is going have a real problem selling that. Until that attitude concerning the 47% is changed, the GOP will not be able to sell it's brand to the American Citizen.

Now should the GOP, instead of denigrating those in the military, the seniors, and the young people entering the work force at minimum wage jobs, take steps that would increase the income of these people to where they could join the rest of us in paying taxes, they would have something to sell. But just stating that they want to take some of the very little that these people have won't do a thing for the party.

take steps to increse minimum wage jobs, why didn't your Dear Leader do that when he had a MAJORITY instead he shoved another BIG government program on us..

and by take steps you mean FORCE, you all love using government until it comes to your precious abortions
 
The repubs picked up votes and electorial college numbers. It is hard to beat an incumbent, even harder when the MSM is totally in their corner. The liberal left got nasty which may or may not have influenced the outcome. What we do know is that the election was NOT about the economy.

The election was TOTALLY about the economy. Trickle-Down Economics is SCARY, and the voters rejected it. Only 30% of the votes Obama got were votes FOR him - the rest of us were voting against a return to the policies that crashed us in '08.

well good, I hope it works out for you all, 8%unemployment for all of obama's first term..good luck

Thanks... We (as in all of us who're in this thing together) need all the luck we can muster!
 
Good point.
We need to change on some of the social issues but the CORE of our beliefs, fiscal conservatism, will never change.

I agree. The message of lower taxes and less government spending is an appealing message to Americans. But Americans also like social security, medicare and defense, which is 75% of the federal budget. Entitlements have to be reformed, and need to have a serious discussion about how we are going to finance entitlements, because if we don't, they are going to eat us alive, particularly medicare. Unless things change dramatically, that's a mathematical fact. Also, Republicans need to have a serious discussion on defense. It seems that the only posture Republicans take on defense spending is "more is never enough," as if all the criticisms about bloat, waste and inefficiency Republicans say are in the government never occur in the military.

Gay marriage is an absolute loser for the Republican party. It's going to happen. Republicans should just drop it.

I don't think the Republicans are ready to have any of those conversations yet.

There's an old saying, "A man can't understand a problem if his livlihood is linked to him not understanding it."

The GOP is owned by the extreme that will never agree to a tax increase or a defense cut.
 

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