Windmills Harm the Environment by Consuming Energy

[Oddball]

There's nothing high tech or new about windmills.

 

[Charles_Main]

Again, which is it? Is technology gonna save us, or do we adhere to "Low-Tech" web sites for all our answers?

Which is it, Palin disciples?

Why are only so called Green Technologies going to save us?

Drilling for our own oil is a technology you know

 

[KissMy]

Like everything else, alternative energy on the home scale depends on a number of factors. For solar, you have to have an area that gets enough sunlight. For wind, you need to live in a wind area for a small turbine to be effective.

And, finally, if one wants the most bang for the buck, you have to be reasonably intelligent and able to follow simple construction instructions. If all of the above apply, here is where one can begin;

How To Make Solar Power Generator Panels - Build Wind Turbine Power Generator - Home Use Solar Power Electricity

The large wind generators cost over $137,000 a year each to maintain. Are they figuring in all the EROI of the parts & maintenance that it takes to maintain these wind generators.

 

[Zander]

Who can put a price on feeling smug and superior?

 

[Charles_Main]

Apperatnly they can be dangerous to us all too
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1156470/windmill_destruction/

 

[Oddball]

Like everything else, alternative energy on the home scale depends on a number of factors. For solar, you have to have an area that gets enough sunlight. For wind, you need to live in a wind area for a small turbine to be effective.

And, finally, if one wants the most bang for the buck, you have to be reasonably intelligent and able to follow simple construction instructions. If all of the above apply, here is where one can begin;

How To Make Solar Power Generator Panels - Build Wind Turbine Power Generator - Home Use Solar Power Electricity

The large wind generators cost over $137,000 a year each to maintain. Are they figuring in all the EROI of the parts & maintenance that it takes to maintain these wind generators.

Lest we forget to mention the dreaded "carbon footprint" it takes to manufacture, transport, erect and maintain those eyesores.

 

[007]

Again, which is it? Is technology gonna save us, or do we adhere to "Low-Tech" web sites for all our answers?

Which is it, Palin disciples?

Well well... I see we have a new mouth breather here... did you vote for OWEbama?

If so, shut up, 'cause you're dumber'n a sack 'a shit.

 

[Charles_Main]

Any one watch the video in the link I put up.

When Windmills attack lol

 

[The Infidel]

Again, which is it? Is technology gonna save us, or do we adhere to "Low-Tech" web sites for all our answers?

Which is it, Palin disciples?

If this shit was SO great.... why are'nt we using nothing but windmills?

I can tell ya...... because they are'nt a vialble alternative to fossil fuel!

If you green freaks were being serious, you'd be behind nuclear power. Bottom line its the most clean and vialble alternative to fossil fuel and YOU KNOW IT!

The only good answer for you green idiots is for the whole of society to waste a few tons of lead for us to all eat one solitary bullet.

Thanks, but no thanks..... you punks first!

 

[JWBooth]

Like everything else, alternative energy on the home scale depends on a number of factors. For solar, you have to have an area that gets enough sunlight. For wind, you need to live in a wind area for a small turbine to be effective.

And, finally, if one wants the most bang for the buck, you have to be reasonably intelligent and able to follow simple construction instructions. If all of the above apply, here is where one can begin;

How To Make Solar Power Generator Panels - Build Wind Turbine Power Generator - Home Use Solar Power Electricity

The large wind generators cost over $137,000 a year each to maintain. Are they figuring in all the EROI of the parts & maintenance that it takes to maintain these wind generators.

Lest we forget to mention the dreaded "carbon footprint" it takes to manufacture, transport, erect and maintain those eyesores.

Those fan blades come through here at a rate of a couple a day. 1 blade loaded per tractor pulling an specialised trailer accompanied by two escort vehicles.

 

[Old Rocks]

Like everything else, alternative energy on the home scale depends on a number of factors. For solar, you have to have an area that gets enough sunlight. For wind, you need to live in a wind area for a small turbine to be effective.

And, finally, if one wants the most bang for the buck, you have to be reasonably intelligent and able to follow simple construction instructions. If all of the above apply, here is where one can begin;

How To Make Solar Power Generator Panels - Build Wind Turbine Power Generator - Home Use Solar Power Electricity

The large wind generators cost over $137,000 a year each to maintain. Are they figuring in all the EROI of the parts & maintenance that it takes to maintain these wind generators.

Where on that site do you find that number?

 

[Old Rocks]

Who can put a price on feeling smug and superior?

For sure, in your own eyes, you are priceless

 

[Old Rocks]

Operation and maintenance costs of wind generated power

Due to the relative infancy of the wind energy industry, there are only a few turbines that have reached their life expectancy of 20 years. These turbines are much smaller than those currently available on the market. Estimates of O&M costs are still highly unpredictable, especially around the end of a turbine’s lifetime; nevertheless a certain amount of experience can be drawn from existing, older turbines.




Based on experiences in Germany, Spain, the UK and Denmark, O&M costs are generally estimated to be around 1.2 to 1.5 eurocents (c&#8364 per kWh of wind power produced, over the total lifetime of a turbine. Spanish data indicates that less than 60 per cent of this amount goes strictly to the O&M of the turbine and installations, with the rest equally distributed between labour costs and spare parts. The remaining 40 per cent is split equally between insurance, land rental and overheads.

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course the mills are so inefficient that they are going up in double digit increases of power every year. A 39% increase in 2009 over 2008. And here is a site in which you can see the increase over the pass ten years.

Wind Powering America: U.S. Installed Wind Capacity and Wind Project Locations

 

[JiggsCasey]

Well well... I see we have a new mouth breather here... did you vote for OWEbama?

If so, shut up, 'cause you're dumber'n a sack 'a shit.

Hey there, cracker-jack! Not new at all, and no, I didn't vote for him... But you're muddling your white-power talking points. See, this thread is about energy, not partisan race-baiting.

Just a little FYI, mm-kay? You won't ever be telling me when to be quiet. Well, not effectively, anyway.

Back to your regularly scheduled Klan meeting. Bu'bye.

 

[007]

Well well... I see we have a new mouth breather here... did you vote for OWEbama?

If so, shut up, 'cause you're dumber'n a sack 'a shit.

Hey there, cracker-jack! Not new at all, and no, I didn't vote for him... But you're muddling your white-power talking points. See, this thread is about energy, not partisan race-baiting.

Just a little FYI, mm-kay? You won't ever be telling me when to be quiet. Well, not effectively, anyway.

Back to your regularly scheduled Klan meeting. Bu'bye.

I see... so we not only have a new cherry mouth breather, we have a liar as well. I didn't make any mention of race there skippy. You're off to a really shitty start. Your arrogance and sass won't get very far here. There's plenty of folks here that can take you off at the knees jiggy jingle nuts. Just keep that in mind.

 

[JiggsCasey]

I see... so we not only have a new cherry mouth breather, we have a liar as well. I didn't make any mention of race there skippy. You're off to a really shitty start. Your arrogance and sass won't get very far here. There's plenty of folks here that can take you off at the knees jiggy jingle nuts. Just keep that in mind.

Again, clown-and-a-half, I'm not new, and I didn't vote for him.

Arrogance and sass are what you and your allies here rely upon on an hourly basis, because you have nothing else. Your situational ethics are showing. I guess it's only OK for you side to fire off the vitriol, right? We understand. Tool.

Idle threats won't get you very far, internet tough guy. I'm right here, and not going anywhere. Just remember: You ran your mouth first, so you'll get exactly what you deserve. Neg rep me all you like. Only shows you're just another rage-addled, insecure CONservative who has no problem with what Bush did (torture, raping Bill of Rights, scrap Habeus Corpus, socialize losses, privatize gains), but big problems with the same stuff Obama does . That, by deduction, is racism.

Again, this thread is about energy. Not Obama-bashing, mmm-kay? Maybe you can write up a new "witty" anti-Obama slogan in German now.

 

[Charles_Main]

I see... so we not only have a new cherry mouth breather, we have a liar as well. I didn't make any mention of race there skippy. You're off to a really shitty start. Your arrogance and sass won't get very far here. There's plenty of folks here that can take you off at the knees jiggy jingle nuts. Just keep that in mind.

Again, clown-and-a-half, I'm not new, and I didn't vote for him.

Arrogance and sass are what you and your allies here rely upon on an hourly basis, because you have nothing else. Your situational ethics are showing. I guess it's only OK for you side to fire off the vitriol, right? We understand. Tool.

Idle threats won't get you very far, internet tough guy. I'm right here, and not going anywhere. Just remember: You ran your mouth first, so you'll get exactly what you deserve. Neg rep me all you like. Only shows you're just another rage-addled, insecure CONservative who has no problem with what Bush did (torture, raping Bill of Rights, scrap Habeus Corpus, socialize losses, privatize gains), but big problems with the same stuff Obama does . That, by deduction, is racism.

Again, this thread is about energy. Not Obama-bashing, mmm-kay? Maybe you can write up a new "witty" anti-Obama slogan in German now.

I love how you think claiming you did not vote for him. Somehow changes the fact that you are clearly drinking his koolaide up with glee.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, I voted for President Obama and will do so again.

Now, back to the subject. Do you, Charlie and Palid Ragger have any real scientific evidence to contribute to the discussion? Or are you just going to go with the same old mindless Conservative talking points?

 

[JiggsCasey]

I love how you think claiming you did not vote for him. Somehow changes the fact that you are clearly drinking his koolaide up with glee.

I do? How, exactly? I'm said over a half dozen times he's failing badly on energy, which is the topic of this entire sub-forum.

You seem like one of the rare, respectful, competent, pro-fossil fuel posters around here, so please don't reduce yourself by assuming and/or misrepresenting my position.

Obama is not my leader of choice, not by a longshot... But he's a far better option than anyone the "drill baby drill" cons can trot out there right now.