Will we ever close the gap between white and blacks???

[ScienceRocks]

The scores, being released today, show that the achievement gap between the top-scoring students — Asians and whites — and the lowest scoring — African Americans, Hispanics and American Indians — has grown slightly between 2007 and 2011.

• for whites, 22.1 in 2007 to 22.4 in 2011
• for African Americans, the score remained at 17 for both years

2011 ACT scores show problems with college readiness - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post

There isn't one piece of data that shows whites and blacks as equal...Honestly, there's at least solid data in supporting of my beliefs.

Here is a chart from 2006-2010 of Whites, Asians, blacks, meso's
(ACT)
Average ACT Composite Test Scores by Race/Ethnicity, 2006

This shows the gap staying between 21-29 points.
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library...ar-old-students


Gap at age 17 increased. Which is most important when dealing with people going towards a higher education.



SAT scores for 2006

Whites
Reading-527, Math-536, Writing-519
Blacks
Reading-434, Math-429, Writing-428

SAT scores for 2007

Whites
Reading-527, Math-534, Writing-518
Blacks
Reading-433, Math-429, Writing-425

Average SAT Scores, 1972–2007 — Infoplease.com

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)


• African American-----426/431 (857)
• White-----534/529 (1063)

ACT

• African American ----16.9
• Caucasian---- 21.7

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act...-ethnicity.htm

Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

"Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra. Ferguson said
Black students were less likely than others to take tough, college-prep courses
and "often don't receive the information and guidance they need to properly plan
for college."


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I pray to god that we can close this or we're going down.

 

[Mr. H.]

"We"? How about "them". Parental guidance, cultural responsibility, individual dicipline?

Self-identity, leadership, peer support.

Or is it a teacher's fault? That's it- the education system has failed minorities?

 

[S.J.]

Closing the gap is easy. The normal method is to give easier questions to the dumber ones. The real challenge would be how to make the dumber ones smarter.

 

[ScienceRocks]

How do we make the black population as smart as the white population? That's the question at hand for the sake of our country.

 

[tjvh]

Will we ever close the gap between white and blacks??? Nope... As long as blacks accept affirmative action over personal responsibility from the liberal elitist whites who profess to fight for them, and have conned them into believing that they have their best interests in mind... Minorities will forever be viewed upon as people who are simply not equal to everyone else. Blacks have to understand, when you sleep with liberal dogs you get fleas.

 

[The Infidel]

How do we make the black population as smart as the white population? That's the question at hand for the sake of our country.

Tell them to start acting white

(That's what all the intelligent ones are always accused of anyways... By other black folks)

 

[ScienceRocks]

Until they close the over 80 point SAT(No matter the class), 4.5 point ACT GAP between themselves and whites. They will be at a huge disadvantaged against whites.

 

[Unkotare]

How do we make the black population as smart as the white population? That's the question at hand for the sake of our country.

You consider yourself real smart, jackass?

 

[katsteve2012]

How do we make the black population as smart as the white population? That's the question at hand for the sake of our country.

The world model for discipline, academic excellence and self reliance would belong soley to the Asians.

Their allegiance to family first and the economic development of their communities, have positioned them to prosper for many generations to come.

There are numerous whites who post here that I would shudder to think that blacks in general would seek to emulate.

 

[Politico]

Not until we get rid of all the racists and moron voters. Well I don't have to explain that to you.

 

[ScienceRocks]

If they ever do close that then they will be able to compete. Not a second sooner!

 

[squeeze berry]

the real answer is to treat everyone as an individual and not as a member of an ethnic sub-group.

That will never happen however

 

[IanC]

The scores, being released today, show that the achievement gap between the top-scoring students — Asians and whites — and the lowest scoring — African Americans, Hispanics and American Indians — has grown slightly between 2007 and 2011.

• for whites, 22.1 in 2007 to 22.4 in 2011
• for African Americans, the score remained at 17 for both years

2011 ACT scores show problems with college readiness - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post

There isn't one piece of data that shows whites and blacks as equal...Honestly, there's at least solid data in supporting of my beliefs.

Here is a chart from 2006-2010 of Whites, Asians, blacks, meso's
(ACT)
Average ACT Composite Test Scores by Race/Ethnicity, 2006

This shows the gap staying between 21-29 points.
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library...ar-old-students


Gap at age 17 increased. Which is most important when dealing with people going towards a higher education.



SAT scores for 2006

Whites
Reading-527, Math-536, Writing-519
Blacks
Reading-434, Math-429, Writing-428

SAT scores for 2007

Whites
Reading-527, Math-534, Writing-518
Blacks
Reading-433, Math-429, Writing-425

Average SAT Scores, 1972–2007 — Infoplease.com

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)


• African American-----426/431 (857)
• White-----534/529 (1063)

ACT

• African American ----16.9
• Caucasian---- 21.7

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act...-ethnicity.htm

Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

"Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra. Ferguson said
Black students were less likely than others to take tough, college-prep courses
and "often don't receive the information and guidance they need to properly plan
for college."


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I pray to god that we can close this or we're going down.

the short answer is.........no.

eugenic breeding for intelligence might work in time but I dont think anybody is going to try that. cold harsh weather did that for whites and NE asians but I dont think we are going to go back to survival of the fittest anytime soon. unfortunately highly intelligent blacks also suffer from low birth rates, just like many other groups.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Is the difference in testing scores between whites and black in other countries, say in the UK, as great as the difference here? Or is this primarily in the U.S.?

 

[Unkotare]

If they ever do close that then they will be able to compete. Not a second sooner!

How about YOU? Will YOU ever close the gap?

 

[Swagger]

Is the difference in testing scores between whites and black in other countries, say in the UK, as great as the difference here? Or is this primarily in the U.S.?

I don't think the UK gathers the stats you require. Probaly to avoid any potential litigation. But we "stream" students depending on their academic ability. The top tier(s), however, nearly always represent a white and Asian majority.

 

[Meathead]

Is the difference in testing scores between whites and black in other countries, say in the UK, as great as the difference here? Or is this primarily in the U.S.?

That's an interesting topic. In Britain the difference is apparent as well. Many countries do not produce results along racial lines for reasons of political correctness nor lack of black students.

The results are probably universal, with some mitigation relative to socio-economic environments and so on, but uniformly whites fare better than blacks and East Asians fare better than either. Along with the historical records, IQ test results and empirical analysis of the current global status of black educational achievement, it may be politically incorrect to conclude that blacks underachievement is genetically rooted, but it is widely understood and subtly recognized the world over.

http://ftp.iza.org/dp2613.pdf

 

[GodSaveAmerica]

It is stunning how many people try to explain these results by hypothesizing social factors. The same racial gap existed 50 years ago and the academic community asked the exact same question. Renowned Berkeley psychologist Arthur Jensen studied the issue and concluded - in a famous paper presented in the Harvard Education Review - that genes prevent blacks from achieving at white levels. IQ comes from the brain, the brain is shaped by the genes, and we inherit our cognitive ability at birth. Whites outperform blacks educationally for the same reason blacks are on average better sprinters than whites: each gene pool has more of the good versions of the genes for that particular trait. An introductory course in genetics explains why expecting these results to be different 50 years from now is futile.

 

[Unkotare]

There is no significant genetic difference between 'races.'

 

[Meathead]

There is no significant genetic difference between 'races.'

There is also little genetic difference between chimpanzees and humans. This is a science still in its infancy, but one of the few things we understand is that a seemingly minuscule difference in the genome makes for different species. Fascinating stuff, but the truth is we know far too little to draw many conclusions.

In a sense this is logical. We share much in common with the great apes and therefore our genes must also. However, to conclude that because there are few significant genetic difference between human races, there cannot be significant differences in other characteristics is obviously flawed.

Human evolutionary genetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since mutation rate is relatively constant, roughly one half of these changes occurred in the human lineage. Only a very tiny fraction of those fixed differences gave rise to the different phenotypes of humans and chimpanzees and finding those is a great challenge. The vast majority of the differences are neutral and do not affect the phenotype.