Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost

[JakeStarkey]

Because although the mods were able to stand off the radicals in the nomination, the radicals would not shut the fuck up and Romney would not disavow them. The radicals kept the dialog focused on abortion, race, birferism, guns, etc., instead of the economy. Until the mods can control the message and disavow the radicals emphatically, the GOP will keep losing.

 

[Oldstyle]

Because although the mods were able to stand off the radicals in the nomination, the radicals would not shut the fuck up and Romney would not disavow them. The radicals kept the dialog focused on abortion, race, birferism, guns, etc., instead of the economy. Until the mods can control the message and disavow the radicals emphatically, the GOP will keep losing.

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

. . . because the radicals would not shut up, giving the dems the opportunity to skew the GOP message.

The GOP moderate mainstream has to disavow the wacks to the ultra right and the libertarians. Why? Mainstream Americans are terrified of them and their rhetoric, which they should be.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Juan McCain, Moderate, lost to Obama

Mitt Romney, Moderate, lost to Obama

Anyone see a pattern?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

. . . because the radicals would not shut up, giving the dems the opportunity to skew the GOP message.

The GOP moderate mainstream has to disavow the wacks to the ultra right and the libertarians. Why? Mainstream Americans are terrified of them and their rhetoric, which they should be.

You mean thew drowned out the message of the Republican candidate?

Seriously?

Have you considered writing comedy? I hear Carrottop is looking for new material

 

[jillian]

The media has tricked the majority of Republicans into believing they lost because of the minority vote. Anyone who has analyzed the results of the election knows that is not true.....but for some reason the Republican Party seems unable or unwilling to tell their people how Romney really lost the election.

If they hope to win next time or even if they just wish to insure they still exist as a party next time....they need to get honest with their fellow party members.

A major fight is shaping up regarding which faction will control the party. I do not expect the true conservatrives to win this fight. My opinion is that the true conservatives need to form their own party.

don't you mean 'wingers'?

i think you should start your own party. although it's much better for democrats if you continue to hijack the GOP.

however, for the sake of the country, you really should go off on your own.... political party-wise.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I suppose that the GOP could adopt the same position as the Democrats...that if you vote for us we'll give you lots of free stuff that someone else will be forced to pay for...but someone has to be the adult in this equation.

Democrats may "win" in the short term but at some point their policies will lead to fiscal collapse. So who "wins" then?

Frances Piven

 

[Mac1958]

Because although the mods were able to stand off the radicals in the nomination, the radicals would not shut the fuck up and Romney would not disavow them. The radicals kept the dialog focused on abortion, race, birferism, guns, etc., instead of the economy. Until the mods can control the message and disavow the radicals emphatically, the GOP will keep losing.

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

Here's the thing: The two need not be mutually exclusive.

The Republicans know that the media (for the most part) is against them. So why in the world do they bend over and take it, by trotting out nominees who are easy targets? Why do they keep saying stupid things that the media can run with? Why do they intimidate their own presidential candidates into being afraid to accept one dollar for tax increases for ten dollars in tax cuts?

Yes, the Dems and the media were able to take the attention off the economy. They were able to do so because the Republicans helped them do it.

.

 

[rightwinger]

It had nothin to do with the GOP message or stupid statements. The American public loves the Republicans and always will

It was all because of the Lame Stream Media and Free Stuff

 

[jillian]

Because although the mods were able to stand off the radicals in the nomination, the radicals would not shut the fuck up and Romney would not disavow them. The radicals kept the dialog focused on abortion, race, birferism, guns, etc., instead of the economy. Until the mods can control the message and disavow the radicals emphatically, the GOP will keep losing.

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

Here's the thing: The two need not be mutually exclusive.

The Republicans know that the media (for the most part) is against them. So why in the world do they bend over and take it, by trotting out nominees who are easy targets? Why do they keep saying stupid things that the media can run with? Why do they intimidate their own presidential candidates into being afraid to accept one dollar for tax increases for ten dollars in tax cuts?

Yes, the Dems and the media were able to take the attention off the economy. They were able to do so because the Republicans helped them do it.

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hypothetically, mac, what if the problem isn't the wingers saying stupid things... but saying what they really think?

isn't that just honesty?

and if they lose because of it, shouldn't they?

 

[LeftofLeft]

The Republican Party will never win again nationally unless it wholeheartedly stops denial and whole heartedly reaches out to serve the entire changing demographic of our nation.

So, according to this premise, if the Republicans abandon its positions on the following, they will win:

- Redistribution of wealth
- Self reliance
- Personal Accountability
- Adhering to Immigration Laws
- Cradle-to-Grave Government Dependence
- Abdication of the right to bear personal arms
- lower taxes
- lower business regulation
- lower Government Spending
- lower Government debt
- Domestic Oil and Natural Gas production for Energy Independence
- Stop appeasing terrorists in the hopes they will stop targeting US

 

[Mac1958]

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

Here's the thing: The two need not be mutually exclusive.

The Republicans know that the media (for the most part) is against them. So why in the world do they bend over and take it, by trotting out nominees who are easy targets? Why do they keep saying stupid things that the media can run with? Why do they intimidate their own presidential candidates into being afraid to accept one dollar for tax increases for ten dollars in tax cuts?

Yes, the Dems and the media were able to take the attention off the economy. They were able to do so because the Republicans helped them do it.

.

hypothetically, mac, what if the problem isn't the wingers saying stupid things... but saying what they really think?

isn't that just honesty?

and if they lose because of it, shouldn't they?

Yup, can't argue. It's much easier to get loons nominated at the local level than on a national level, and these are the people who so often say the crazy stuff. Then, they can be used nationally to paint the whole freakin' party as loons.

When it comes to the presidential candidates' refusal to take one dollar of tax increases for ten dollars in spending cuts, seems to me that's where the locally-elected loons screw up the party even worse. They've got these people scared shitless.

I'm sure there are plenty of pragmatic Republicans, who think the loons go too far on the issues. They're just cowering in fear right now, so no one hears from 'em.

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[rightwinger]

The Republican Party will never win again nationally unless it wholeheartedly stops denial and whole heartedly reaches out to serve the entire changing demographic of our nation.

So, according to this premise, if the Republicans abandon its positions on the following, they will win:

- Redistribution of wealth
- Self reliance
- Personal Accountability
- Adhering to Immigration Laws
- Cradle-to-Grave Government Dependence
- Abdication of the right to bear personal arms
- lower taxes
- lower business regulation
- lower Government Spending
- lower Government debt
- Domestic Oil and Natural Gas production for Energy Independence
- Stop appeasing terrorists in the hopes they will stop targeting US

You left out

- Banning abortion
- Killing the Dept of Education, Energy....and...and.... I forgot the third one
- Unrestricted access to the gun of your choice
- Killing unions and collective bargaining
- Blocking immigration reform
- Killing Planned Parenthood
- Killing Big Bird

 

[g5000]

The rabid loons overrunning the GOP will never stop believing "We wuz robbed!" They just won't.

They were doing victory laps MONTHS before the election. They had convinced themselves the race was already won, and then stopped to enjoy a nice lunch, and fell into a deep sleep from which they have yet to awaken.

Meanwhile, Obama trudged past the finish line.

Whenever Obama puts something on the table, the rubes don't bother reading it or listening to what Obama is saying. No. Instead, they tune into their favorite demagogue and hold out their piss buckets to be filled for their personal consumption.

The messages the puppeteers emit have no connection to any reality of what's on the table. The puppeteers orchestrate an elaborate fantasy which contains plenty of key words and catchphrases the minions will incessantly trade with each other over the coming weeks, months, and years until these things become Truth through repetition and mass belief.

Fragile but fierce looking straw men with an "OBAMA" sign around their necks are constructed for the mindless to tear down in an orgy of self-righteousness. And this is how they come to have visions of candy canes and landslides on The Night Before Election.

When they get up in the morning and rush with glee to unwrap their presents, the find the boxes are empty.

WHAT!?!? WE WUZ ROBBED!!!!

Somewhere out there, beyond the artifices and the smoke and the mirrors, there is reality. Will the GOP ever find its way back there?

Stay tuned.

 

[Jarhead]

Because although the mods were able to stand off the radicals in the nomination, the radicals would not shut the fuck up and Romney would not disavow them. The radicals kept the dialog focused on abortion, race, birferism, guns, etc., instead of the economy. Until the mods can control the message and disavow the radicals emphatically, the GOP will keep losing.

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

Here's the thing: The two need not be mutually exclusive.

The Republicans know that the media (for the most part) is against them. So why in the world do they bend over and take it, by trotting out nominees who are easy targets? Why do they keep saying stupid things that the media can run with? Why do they intimidate their own presidential candidates into being afraid to accept one dollar for tax increases for ten dollars in tax cuts?

Yes, the Dems and the media were able to take the attention off the economy. They were able to do so because the Republicans helped them do it.

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well...it depends on what you say is a "stupid thing"...

For example....Biden makes a comment about Indian accents at the 7-11 and he is portrayed as "Joe being Joe; he means no harm......"

Romney talks about how he received binders filled with womens resumes and beaucse he left out the word resumes, (only a fool would think that he was referring to actual women in binders) he is portrayed as saying a really really REALLY stupid thing.

It is not so much that the GOP candidates say stupid things. It is easy to make something SOUND stuipid if you really want to....so no matter what they say, one can spin it into stupidity.

I mean.....look at this week alone. Sununu used the word "lazy" to describe a man who seemed lethargic during a campaign, and now he is labelled as a racist becuase that man happened to be black....and there is an entire thread of lefties supporting the claim!

 

[g5000]

The GOP leadership, and I used that term EXTREMELY loosely, is the biggest collection of cowards since the founding of the party.

And they have come to believe there are more stupid people out there than thinking people. That is why they coddle people like the birthers, and talk about impeaching Obama over Executive Orders.

The GOP leadership has not figured out that for every birther and every other breed of dumbshit they coddle, they run off two intelligent people. They believe the inverse is true.

The GOP leadership is afraid to put anything on the table. They are not a party of ideas. They are a party of anti-ideas and blackmail and hostage-taking. They won't tell you what they will do, they tell what they WON'T do...or else.

This is why I stopped voting in 2006. I wish I had stopped sooner.

The GOP believes I am a traitor who helped elect Obama by not voting for their leprous asses.

Sorry, but my vote has to be EARNED. They are too retarded to figure out even this simple thing. They feel ENTITLED to my vote to stop Obama.

Nope. They earned Obama. They deserve him. After all, they worked so hard to get him where he is today by being the complete cowardly batch of fuckups they are. A man like Obama could not possibly succeed without totally incompetent competition. They are so retarded, they can't even see simple marketplace principles are at work here.

And I haven't even said anything about their hypocrisy. Christ, we'd be here all day.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Republican Party will never win again nationally unless it wholeheartedly stops denial and whole heartedly reaches out to serve the entire changing demographic of our nation.

So, according to this premise, if the Republicans abandon its positions on the following, they will win:

- Redistribution of wealth
- Self reliance
- Personal Accountability
- Adhering to Immigration Laws
- Cradle-to-Grave Government Dependence
- Abdication of the right to bear personal arms
- lower taxes
- lower business regulation
- lower Government Spending
- lower Government debt
- Domestic Oil and Natural Gas production for Energy Independence
- Stop appeasing terrorists in the hopes they will stop targeting US

You are confused and in denial. This is the crux, that the Party "whole heartedly reaches out to serve the entire changing demographic of our nation."

 

[Oldstyle]

Because although the mods were able to stand off the radicals in the nomination, the radicals would not shut the fuck up and Romney would not disavow them. The radicals kept the dialog focused on abortion, race, birferism, guns, etc., instead of the economy. Until the mods can control the message and disavow the radicals emphatically, the GOP will keep losing.

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

Here's the thing: The two need not be mutually exclusive.

The Republicans know that the media (for the most part) is against them. So why in the world do they bend over and take it, by trotting out nominees who are easy targets? Why do they keep saying stupid things that the media can run with? Why do they intimidate their own presidential candidates into being afraid to accept one dollar for tax increases for ten dollars in tax cuts?

Yes, the Dems and the media were able to take the attention off the economy. They were able to do so because the Republicans helped them do it.

.

What conservatives know only too well, Mac is that budget "compromises" with liberals have too often led to deals like we just got with $40 in new taxes for every $1 in spending cuts. That's what Barack Obama seems to think is a "balanced" approach...which is farce at it's finest.

 

[JakeStarkey]

LOL...it was the Democrats and the main stream media that kept the dialog focused on ANYTHING other than the economy and the deficit not the "radicals" in the GOP.

Here's the thing: The two need not be mutually exclusive.

The Republicans know that the media (for the most part) is against them. So why in the world do they bend over and take it, by trotting out nominees who are easy targets? Why do they keep saying stupid things that the media can run with? Why do they intimidate their own presidential candidates into being afraid to accept one dollar for tax increases for ten dollars in tax cuts?

Yes, the Dems and the media were able to take the attention off the economy. They were able to do so because the Republicans helped them do it.

.

well...it depends on what you say is a "stupid thing"...

For example....Biden makes a comment about Indian accents at the 7-11 and he is portrayed as "Joe being Joe; he means no harm......"

Romney talks about how he received binders filled with womens resumes and beaucse he left out the word resumes, (only a fool would think that he was referring to actual women in binders) he is portrayed as saying a really really REALLY stupid thing.

It is not so much that the GOP candidates say stupid things. It is easy to make something SOUND stuipid if you really want to....so no matter what they say, one can spin it into stupidity.

I mean.....look at this week alone. Sununu used the word "lazy" to describe a man who seemed lethargic during a campaign, and now he is labelled as a racist becuase that man happened to be black....and there is an entire thread of lefties supporting the claim!

You are in denial. Language and context matter, and the Party does not get to define them is the point. We have to be very careful how we use language.

 

[Oldstyle]

When do we get the spending cuts? Anyone?