Will The Democrats Finally Admit They Are a Socialist Party?

[bedowin62]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

why would democrats do that. most probably believe in a mixed economic system... you know, like most successful, civilized country in the world.

nice troll thread, though.

you're talking about the smaller number of european "mixed" democracies propping up a larger number of failed ones leftard??

Only since the corrupt Boosh World Depression duh...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! NOTHING MY PEEPS do is working!!

mean ol white men hurt me!!!

 

[bedowin62]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

nice deflection leftard!! i accept your surender!!

anyway isnt it you idiots always saying welfare isnt enough to live on?

now you're admitting they live like kings and queens??

dear, I Only admit we have the Best form of Socialism in the World. Can the right find no Pride in Ownership, of any thing.

what do the people you speak of own??

 

[danielpalos]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

nice deflection leftard!! i accept your surender!!

anyway isnt it you idiots always saying welfare isnt enough to live on?

now you're admitting they live like kings and queens??

dear, I Only admit we have the Best form of Socialism in the World. Can the right find no Pride in Ownership, of any thing.

what do the people you speak of own??

Rights in private property are secured State Constitutions.

 

[bedowin62]

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

nice deflection leftard!! i accept your surender!!

anyway isnt it you idiots always saying welfare isnt enough to live on?

now you're admitting they live like kings and queens??

dear, I Only admit we have the Best form of Socialism in the World. Can the right find no Pride in Ownership, of any thing.

what do the people you speak of own??

Rights in private property are secured State Constitutions.

another deflection

maybe you need someone to help you debate me???????

 

[bedowin62]

i must admit the Left DOES seem to have pride in ownership thinking they own the people they keep dependent and needy

 

[danielpalos]

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

nice deflection leftard!! i accept your surender!!

anyway isnt it you idiots always saying welfare isnt enough to live on?

now you're admitting they live like kings and queens??

dear, I Only admit we have the Best form of Socialism in the World. Can the right find no Pride in Ownership, of any thing.

what do the people you speak of own??

Rights in private property are secured State Constitutions.

another deflection

maybe you need someone to help you debate me???????

not a deflection, but a Truth. Persons can own what they want to acquire and posses, mostly.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

are steak and lobster prohibited items for EBT purchases?

it's a yes or no question

No. No reason they should be. They are at least healthier than cheaper cuts of meat. But honestly, most people with food stamps are not going to spend them on steak and lobster, because they need the money to last.

If I had food stamps, I'd be buying steak right now, though. My local supermarket has a "buy one, get two free" on petite sirloin packs. Do you know how many quality, nutritious meals I could make out of that?

 

[regent]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

are steak and lobster prohibited items for EBT purchases?

it's a yes or no question

No. No reason they should be. They are at least healthier than cheaper cuts of meat. But honestly, most people with food stamps are not going to spend them on steak and lobster, because they need the money to last.

If I had food stamps, I'd be buying steak right now, though. My local supermarket has a "buy one, get two free" on petite sirloin packs. Do you know how many quality, nutritious meals I could make out of that?

Imagine what the neighbors would say about food stamp people only eat steak.

 

[bedowin62]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

are steak and lobster prohibited items for EBT purchases?

it's a yes or no question

No. No reason they should be. They are at least healthier than cheaper cuts of meat. But honestly, most people with food stamps are not going to spend them on steak and lobster, because they need the money to last.

If I had food stamps, I'd be buying steak right now, though. My local supermarket has a "buy one, get two free" on petite sirloin packs. Do you know how many quality, nutritious meals I could make out of that?

people sell food stamps on the street. for $100 cash you can get $200 of food with somebody's EBT card.

hungry people dont do that

 

[Cecilie1200]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

are steak and lobster prohibited items for EBT purchases?

it's a yes or no question

No. No reason they should be. They are at least healthier than cheaper cuts of meat. But honestly, most people with food stamps are not going to spend them on steak and lobster, because they need the money to last.

If I had food stamps, I'd be buying steak right now, though. My local supermarket has a "buy one, get two free" on petite sirloin packs. Do you know how many quality, nutritious meals I could make out of that?

Imagine what the neighbors would say about food stamp people only eat steak.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I myself have never cared what the neighbors or anyone else says. I'm not really equipped to even contemplate the idea.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Only if the Republicans will agree that they are just crony Capitalists.

isnt it ironic that Progressives made the richest richer then they ever dreamed of being under Republican rule?

and the poorest poorer than they were under Republicans????

don't know what you mean; the Right still whines about the least wealthy buying steak and lobster on their EBT cards.

are steak and lobster prohibited items for EBT purchases?

it's a yes or no question

No. No reason they should be. They are at least healthier than cheaper cuts of meat. But honestly, most people with food stamps are not going to spend them on steak and lobster, because they need the money to last.

If I had food stamps, I'd be buying steak right now, though. My local supermarket has a "buy one, get two free" on petite sirloin packs. Do you know how many quality, nutritious meals I could make out of that?

people sell food stamps on the street. for $100 cash you can get $200 of food with somebody's EBT card.

hungry people dont do that

Actually pretty rare, and not usually a regular thing. More like a one-time, desperate need for cash right now kind of scenario.

I'm not saying there's not abuse of the system. Obviously, there is. But it's not realistic to think that large numbers of people on food stamps are living high on the hog and making a regular point of selling them.

 

[regent]

In a large population there will always some mooching the system, just as there will be some using the bankruptcy laws to mooch. There comes a point where it is more economical to catch the gamers and a point where it is not economical.

 

[dblack]

If they were actually a socialist party, it wouldn't be so bad. But they're not. If they were a socialist party, ACA would have been single payer.

The Democrats aren't socialist. They're predominantly corporatists - which is far worse.

 

[francoHFW]

i must admit the Left DOES seem to have pride in ownership thinking they own the people they keep dependent and needy

Has nothing to do with pander to the rich Reaganism? Amazing. see sig. that was 2007, only gets worse. Pub dupes!

 

[Mac1958]

Regular Democrats aren't socialists or Eurosocialists, they're just to the left of center on the political spectrum.

Those on the hardcore left, a smaller group, are mostly Eurosocialists, though only some of them admit it.

Same in the GOP - you have most just right of center and then you have the hardcore types, a smaller group, on the end.

And in both parties the ends are the loudest and most influential, even though they're relatively small in actual size.

The behaviors and construction of both parties are very similar.
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[CowboyTed]

Of course they are socialists. They believe there is not a single problem out there that cannot be solved with a well-=crafted government program with sufficient funding.

This is where you are fundamentally wrong.

Democrats believe solutions can be solved by the Government, Public Private Partnership or Private.

The belief you have I think is that only capitalism(Private) can solve problems.

Correct me if I am wrong?

 

[Meathead]

Democrats believe solutions can be solved by the Government, Public Private Partnership or Private.

I believe solutions are solved by Democrats, that's for sure!

 

[dblack]

Of course they are socialists. They believe there is not a single problem out there that cannot be solved with a well-=crafted government program with sufficient funding.

This is where you are fundamentally wrong.

Democrats believe solutions can be solved by the Government, Public Private Partnership or Private.

The belief you have I think is that only capitalism(Private) can solve problems.

Correct me if I am wrong?

Speaking for myself, and not Rabbi, if you're referring to libertarian opposition to Democrat policies, you're definitely missing the point. It's not that only capitalism can solve problems, or that government can't solve problems.

The important question is "What kinds of problems should government solve?"

 

[dblack]

Regular Democrats aren't socialists or Eurosocialists, they're just to the left of center on the political spectrum.

Those on the hardcore left, a smaller group, are mostly Eurosocialists, though only some of them admit it.

Same in the GOP - you have most just right of center and then you have the hardcore types, a smaller group, on the end.

And in both parties the ends are the loudest and most influential, even though they're relatively small in actual size.

The behaviors and construction of both parties are very similar.
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Agreed. But I take issue with the idea that the ideological hardcore are the problem. And, while they may be the loudest, they're not the most influential. It's so-called moderates and centrists who are selling us out.

ACA was the perfect example. If healthcare reform were left up to the ideological extremes we get something that actually worked. We'd either have a real free market solution, or we'd actually socialize medicine as a genuine concern of government. Instead we get the tortured middle-ground that sacrifices the public interest to subsidize private profits.

 

[Mac1958]

Regular Democrats aren't socialists or Eurosocialists, they're just to the left of center on the political spectrum.

Those on the hardcore left, a smaller group, are mostly Eurosocialists, though only some of them admit it.

Same in the GOP - you have most just right of center and then you have the hardcore types, a smaller group, on the end.

And in both parties the ends are the loudest and most influential, even though they're relatively small in actual size.

The behaviors and construction of both parties are very similar.
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Agreed. But I take issue with the idea that the ideological hardcore are the problem. And, while they may be the loudest, they're not the most influential. It's so-called moderates and centrists who are selling us out.

ACA was the perfect example. If healthcare reform were left up to the ideological extremes we get something that actually worked. We'd either have a real free market solution, or we'd actually socialize medicine as a genuine concern of government. Instead we get the tortured middle-ground that sacrifices the public interest to subsidize private profits.

Interesting, and I couldn't agree more on the ACA, good stuff. What a mess that sucker is, but I'll scream about that on another thread.

I think where the wings' influence is seen most is in the public discourse, and that kind of plays into what you're saying. The wings don't necessarily ACT upon hardcore ideas, but they do introduce them into the discussion and add to the noise. This, at a time when we face serious issues, and need sober, serious conservation.
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