Will the Democratic Party survive Obama?

[JakeStarkey]

Wasn't that long ago people thought the democratic party was dying, look how that turned out. The one thing we know for sure is that the majority party will eventually screw up enough to get themselves voted out of office.

The problem with the Republican Party is that they are gradually pushing more and more of their own out of the party due to the far right being absolutely intolerant of anyone who might have even slightly more moderate views, whether that be on taxation issues, or social issues. The far right is so rabid about their positions that many even suggest just starting a new party of far right wing conservatives. This is how out of touch these people are, and it is the reason the Republican Party is in so much trouble for the long run. The truth is that the country is moving to the left on many issues. That doesn't mean we are becoming a socialist country full of Marxists and Communists like the rabid right suggests, but it does mean that the right is cornering themselves.

In political forums such as this one, it looks as if the far right is the majority. They dominate the conversation in these forums and try to belittle anyone with differing views. The problem is that political forums like this do not represent the real world. In the real world, we don't see the type of fanaticism that exists in these forums, at least that type of fanaticism doesn't dominate normal discourse. The Republican Party may not be dead yet, but it better do something to restrain the far right and bring back the moderates, or it will definitely become a dying party.

You think that the Dems are not doing the same thing? They are
Dems have pushed out the conservatives and moderates in their party.
The extreme far left is running the Democratic party.

Nope, or we would have a single-payer nationalized health care system.

 

[Sarah G]

We certainly wouldn't have survived Mittens. None of your candidates would have been any good, thank God Democrats got out the votes and stood in those lines. I'm so grateful we kept our nation from yet another Republican disaster.

 

[Avatar4321]

Considering they survived slavery, segregation, racism, Concentration camps, etc and have somehow convinced their supporters that they opposed all that, then yes, im sure they will survive Obama.

The question is whether the rest of the country survives him.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Considering they survived slavery, segregation, racism, Concentration camps, etc and have somehow convinced their supporters that they opposed all that, then yes, im sure they will survive Obama.

The question is whether the rest of the country survives him.

You are not making sense. No one is going to sweep up the libertarians.

 

[FA_Q2]

The problem with the Republican Party is that they are gradually pushing more and more of their own out of the party due to the far right being absolutely intolerant of anyone who might have even slightly more moderate views, whether that be on taxation issues, or social issues. The far right is so rabid about their positions that many even suggest just starting a new party of far right wing conservatives. This is how out of touch these people are, and it is the reason the Republican Party is in so much trouble for the long run. The truth is that the country is moving to the left on many issues. That doesn't mean we are becoming a socialist country full of Marxists and Communists like the rabid right suggests, but it does mean that the right is cornering themselves.

In political forums such as this one, it looks as if the far right is the majority. They dominate the conversation in these forums and try to belittle anyone with differing views. The problem is that political forums like this do not represent the real world. In the real world, we don't see the type of fanaticism that exists in these forums, at least that type of fanaticism doesn't dominate normal discourse. The Republican Party may not be dead yet, but it better do something to restrain the far right and bring back the moderates, or it will definitely become a dying party.

You think that the Dems are not doing the same thing? They are
Dems have pushed out the conservatives and moderates in their party.
The extreme far left is running the Democratic party.

Nope, or we would have a single-payer nationalized health care system.

Funny that you don't seem to realize that the radicals are not the same as those that actually believe in the ideals of the party. You complain constantly that the radical right is taking over the republican party al la abortion, gay rights ect. When, in fact, those are not 'core' beliefs of those on the right. The core has always been small, less intrusive government. The right AND the left are being controlled by rabid hacks that have no values at all.

 

[auditor0007]

Wasn't that long ago people thought the democratic party was dying, look how that turned out. The one thing we know for sure is that the majority party will eventually screw up enough to get themselves voted out of office.

The problem with the Republican Party is that they are gradually pushing more and more of their own out of the party due to the far right being absolutely intolerant of anyone who might have even slightly more moderate views, whether that be on taxation issues, or social issues. The far right is so rabid about their positions that many even suggest just starting a new party of far right wing conservatives. This is how out of touch these people are, and it is the reason the Republican Party is in so much trouble for the long run. The truth is that the country is moving to the left on many issues. That doesn't mean we are becoming a socialist country full of Marxists and Communists like the rabid right suggests, but it does mean that the right is cornering themselves.

In political forums such as this one, it looks as if the far right is the majority. They dominate the conversation in these forums and try to belittle anyone with differing views. The problem is that political forums like this do not represent the real world. In the real world, we don't see the type of fanaticism that exists in these forums, at least that type of fanaticism doesn't dominate normal discourse. The Republican Party may not be dead yet, but it better do something to restrain the far right and bring back the moderates, or it will definitely become a dying party.

You think that the Dems are not doing the same thing? They are
Dems have pushed out the conservatives and moderates in their party.
The extreme far left is running the Democratic party.

The only ones who see Obama and the Dems as being far left are those on the far right, because they are so far to the right that they can't even see the far left, so they think that middle of the road Dems are really radicals from the far left. We see this everyday as Obama and most Dems are called Socialists, Marxists, and Communists from so many on the right.

 

[Wiseacre]

The problem with the Republican Party is that they are gradually pushing more and more of their own out of the party due to the far right being absolutely intolerant of anyone who might have even slightly more moderate views, whether that be on taxation issues, or social issues. The far right is so rabid about their positions that many even suggest just starting a new party of far right wing conservatives. This is how out of touch these people are, and it is the reason the Republican Party is in so much trouble for the long run. The truth is that the country is moving to the left on many issues. That doesn't mean we are becoming a socialist country full of Marxists and Communists like the rabid right suggests, but it does mean that the right is cornering themselves.

In political forums such as this one, it looks as if the far right is the majority. They dominate the conversation in these forums and try to belittle anyone with differing views. The problem is that political forums like this do not represent the real world. In the real world, we don't see the type of fanaticism that exists in these forums, at least that type of fanaticism doesn't dominate normal discourse. The Republican Party may not be dead yet, but it better do something to restrain the far right and bring back the moderates, or it will definitely become a dying party.

You think that the Dems are not doing the same thing? They are
Dems have pushed out the conservatives and moderates in their party.
The extreme far left is running the Democratic party.

The only ones who see Obama and the Dems as being far left are those on the far right, because they are so far to the right that they can't even see the far left, so they think that middle of the road Dems are really radicals from the far left. We see this everyday as Obama and most Dems are called Socialists, Marxists, and Communists from so many on the right.

Yet you don't seem to have a problem using words like 'rabid' and fanaticism' in your post describing the far right. You think I'd have to look very far to see Bush and the TPers and the House repubs being labeled as racist, sexist, fascist, and all sorts of other things from so many on the left?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You think that the Dems are not doing the same thing? They are
Dems have pushed out the conservatives and moderates in their party.
The extreme far left is running the Democratic party.

Nope, or we would have a single-payer nationalized health care system.

Funny that you don't seem to realize that the radicals are not the same as those that actually believe in the ideals of the party. You complain constantly that the radical right is taking over the republican party al la abortion, gay rights ect. When, in fact, those are not 'core' beliefs of those on the right. The core has always been small, less intrusive government. The right AND the left are being controlled by rabid hacks that have no values at all.

The GOP is far more in danger of the radical right than the Dems are of the radical left. to say otherwise ignores reality.

 

[nodoginnafight]

You think that the Dems are not doing the same thing? They are
Dems have pushed out the conservatives and moderates in their party.
The extreme far left is running the Democratic party.

The only ones who see Obama and the Dems as being far left are those on the far right, because they are so far to the right that they can't even see the far left, so they think that middle of the road Dems are really radicals from the far left. We see this everyday as Obama and most Dems are called Socialists, Marxists, and Communists from so many on the right.

Yet you don't seem to have a problem using words like 'rabid' and fanaticism' in your post describing the far right. You think I'd have to look very far to see Bush and the TPers and the House repubs being labeled as racist, sexist, fascist, and all sorts of other things from so many on the left?

speaking from the middle - where I reside - there are some TPers who ARE fanatics. There are some on the far left who are fanatics too.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Nope, or we would have a single-payer nationalized health care system.

Funny that you don't seem to realize that the radicals are not the same as those that actually believe in the ideals of the party. You complain constantly that the radical right is taking over the republican party al la abortion, gay rights ect. When, in fact, those are not 'core' beliefs of those on the right. The core has always been small, less intrusive government. The right AND the left are being controlled by rabid hacks that have no values at all.

The GOP is far more in danger of the radical right than the Dems are of the radical left. to say otherwise ignores reality.

While I think that is true, I believe there is a segment on the far left who feel like they've "played ball" with the center long enough and that Obama owes it to them to tack to the left during his second term to reward them for their support.

 

[grunt11b]

Wasn't that long ago people thought the democratic party was dying, look how that turned out. The one thing we know for sure is that the majority party will eventually screw up enough to get themselves voted out of office.

The democrat party was "And is" dying, take a better look, this is not your granddads democrat party, it is chuck full of Marxists,communists and socialists. It no longer represents the constituents and all it has done in the last 6 years was dismantle freedoms and leave our children and grandchildren with a mountain of debt. Anyone who claims to be a part of that truly is an enemy of the constitution and an enemy of the people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Funny that you don't seem to realize that the radicals are not the same as those that actually believe in the ideals of the party. You complain constantly that the radical right is taking over the republican party al la abortion, gay rights ect. When, in fact, those are not 'core' beliefs of those on the right. The core has always been small, less intrusive government. The right AND the left are being controlled by rabid hacks that have no values at all.

The GOP is far more in danger of the radical right than the Dems are of the radical left. to say otherwise ignores reality.

While I think that is true, I believe there is a segment on the far left who feel like they've "played ball" with the center long enough and that Obama owes it to them to tack to the left during his second term to reward them for their support.

Oh, yes, there is part of the lefties who believe Obama has not been fair to their bigoted programs.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Wasn't that long ago people thought the democratic party was dying, look how that turned out. The one thing we know for sure is that the majority party will eventually screw up enough to get themselves voted out of office.

The democrat party was "And is" dying, take a better look, this is not your granddads democrat party, it is chuck full of Marxists,communists and socialists. It no longer represents the constituents and all it has done in the last 6 years was dismantle freedoms and leave our children and grandchildren with a mountain of debt. Anyone who claims to be a part of that truly is an enemy of the constitution and an enemy of the people.

You cannot define and apply those terms to the Dems. Sorry, sweetheart, you can't.

 

[Wiseacre]

The only ones who see Obama and the Dems as being far left are those on the far right, because they are so far to the right that they can't even see the far left, so they think that middle of the road Dems are really radicals from the far left. We see this everyday as Obama and most Dems are called Socialists, Marxists, and Communists from so many on the right.

Yet you don't seem to have a problem using words like 'rabid' and fanaticism' in your post describing the far right. You think I'd have to look very far to see Bush and the TPers and the House repubs being labeled as racist, sexist, fascist, and all sorts of other things from so many on the left?

speaking from the middle - where I reside - there are some TPers who ARE fanatics. There are some on the far left who are fanatics too.

True. Arguing about numbers which no doubt varies from time to time andissue to issue is fruitless. I am encourgaed a little bit that the radicals on both sides were not strong enough to preclude the fiscal cliff deal, and hopefully not the debt ceiling either.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yet you don't seem to have a problem using words like 'rabid' and fanaticism' in your post describing the far right. You think I'd have to look very far to see Bush and the TPers and the House repubs being labeled as racist, sexist, fascist, and all sorts of other things from so many on the left?

speaking from the middle - where I reside - there are some TPers who ARE fanatics. There are some on the far left who are fanatics too.

True. Arguing about numbers which no doubt varies from time to time andissue to issue is fruitless. I am encourgaed a little bit that the radicals on both sides were not strong enough to preclude the fiscal cliff deal, and hopefully not the debt ceiling either.

I worry a bit about the ability of motivated minorities to work the system. Not that they can actually DO something harmful, but that they can stop action that prevents harm.

 

[Cammmpbell]

By Conn Carroll
January 23, 2013




American Prospect editor Harold Meyerson writes in today’s Washington Post:
Harold Meyerson: Obama forges a new majority - The Washington Post

“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change we seek,” candidate Barack Obama said in 2008. At the time, his comments came in for criticism: They were narcissistic; they were tautological; they didn’t make a whole lot of sense.

But in the aftermath of Obama’s 2012 reelection and his second inaugural address, his 2008 remarks seem less a statement of self-absorption than one of prophecy. There is an Obama majority in American politics, symbolized by Monday’s throng on the Mall, whose existence is both the consequence of profound changes to our nation’s composition and values and the cause of changes yet to come.

After back-to-back presidential victories, there clearly is an “Obama majority in American politics” … as long as Obama is on the ballot. But will that majority exist in the future? The evidence we have so far suggests not.

Take Prince William County in northern Virginia, which was recently identified by The New York Times as the poster county for the Obama Majority. In 2008 and 2012 over 160,000 voters turned out to give Obama identical 16 point margins over John McCain and Mitt Romney respectively. But in 2009, when Obama was not on the ballot, only 75,000 voters turned out to vote in Prince William and Republican Bob McDonnell crushed Democratic Creigh Deeds by an even bigger 18-point margin. Then in 2010, again with no Obama on the ballot, 91,000 Prince William voters turned out to vote and they voted for Republican House candidates, 52 percent to 46 percent.

If the Obama Majority supposedly arrived in 2008, where did it go in 2009 and 2010? Will it show up in 2014 or 2016? Even Obama’s closest advisers sound skeptical. “The organization doesn’t exist without belief in the candidate,” White House senior adviser David Plouffe told Politico after November’s election. “They turned out for Barack Obama. It was all because of him.”

Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, Jim Messina, echoed Plouffe:

You know, this organization was built for people who supported this president … those people were involved because of the issues and positions the president took, and … you can’t just hand it to the next candidate. They have to have their own relationship with voters.​

Democrats are even more concerned now that the Obama campaign has announced they will create a 501c4 non-profit entity to push Obama’s agenda. Fred Hudson, vice chairman of the Virginia Democratic Party, told National Journal:

We need a unified organization that will bring about victories in 2013 and 2014, and we don’t need to be splitting our efforts. It’s a recipe for how to lose an election. We’ve been told there will be no competition for fundraising, but that’s difficult for me to accept, and there will certainly be competition for staff and volunteers.​

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Only if the Republicans fail to get their shit together. The absolute worst thing which could happen to this nation would be for a Republican president to join that bunch of right wing idiots.

Relax......it ain't gonna happen. The American electorate has just proven it's smarter than that.