Will the Democrat pary fundementally change Wednesday and moving forward?

[iamwhatiseem]

If and when the Dems lose a number of seats/state elections Tuesday...I would think you will hear a giant sucking sound as center-left Democrats scatter from the leftist that control the party today.
Reid and Pelosi (if they survive) will be dead in the water.

What say you?

 

[Oddball]

Will the Democrat party fundamentally change Wednesday and moving forward?

Absolutely not.

They'll move even further left.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Will the Democrat party fundamentally change Wednesday and moving forward?

Absolutely not.

They'll move even further left.

Okay...umm..why would you think that?
Politicians are survivalist. Job one is to keep their job.
After America systematically rejects the policies of the left...you actually believe these politicians will go further left??

 

[Oddball]

Why I would say that is because I remember 1994 and its aftermath.

While Bubba and his cronies paid lip service, the party itself redoubled its efforts and lunged even further to the left. Hence, we got guys like Mad Howie Dean.

 

[B. Kidd]

Will the Democrat party fundamentally change Wednesday and moving forward?

Absolutely not.

They'll move even further left.

Must agree. If Reid loses, Dick Durbin or Chuck Schumer most likely assumes Senate leadership.

 

[Zander]

Will the Democrat party fundamentally change Wednesday and moving forward?

Absolutely not.

They'll move even further left.

Okay...umm..why would you think that?
Politicians are survivalist. Job one is to keep their job.
After America systematically rejects the policies of the left...you actually believe these politicians will go further left??

He is right. Moderates Democrats are being sent home because they voted for Obamacare, they voted for the stimulus, etc.... SO whomever is left on the democrat side will be the more extreme liberals that come from "safe" liberal districts.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They've been moving further Left every cycle.

As far Left as they are, their complains that they haven't been Progressive enough.

 

[uptownlivin90]

When has either party ever actually changed and moved forward?

 

[Trajan]

they will move further left because (some old timers will go too) but mainly blue dogs will be long gone, not that a lot of them didn't fold but they had some moderating influences.

the ones who were strong armed and to weak to say no to Nancy, bye bye, (and the senate boobs who put there necks on the block with an election coming up for HC etc.) the rest, they will move further left because they don't even get it, they think they didn't do enough and they really have no idea why this is happening.

There will still be the old guard lefties who live in districts/states that are totally safe.

 

[Trajan]

When has either party ever actually changed and moved forward?

I think you are seeing some of that now in the rep. party, some may not agree with their platforms or direction fine, but the there is a groundswell building, you saw it in the late 70's too, which resulted in, reagan.

when change comes and is not always pretty, take the dem party of truman and look at it now.....

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I don't know guys. You may all be right, but I think only for a short period.
The Pendulum affect cannot be ignored. THroughout history things constantly go from one extreme to the other.
Based on that, I have to believe that the Dem party will move to the right as the country CLEARLY is. Otherwise, they will find themselves obsolete.

 

[Trajan]

I don't know guys. You may all be right, but I think only for a short period.
The Pendulum affect cannot be ignored. THroughout history things constantly go from one extreme to the other.
Based on that, I have to believe that the Dem party will move to the right as the country CLEARLY is. Otherwise, they will find themselves obsolete.

frankly I am, the governing, that is the folks calling the shots for the party have been obsolete for decades,,,,,every 8-10 years they have to be reeled back in...


check it;

There They Went Again
The 111th Congress fits a familiar Democratic pattern.


Democrats and their allies are already rationalizing their likely defeat next Tuesday, variously blaming the economy, GOP obstructionism, corporate money, or an inexplicable collapse in President Obama's communications skills. Whatever minor truth lies in these excuses, they obscure the larger reality: Americans appear ready to repudiate Democratic governance for the fourth consecutive time.

Far from being a unique historical event, a GOP victory on Tuesday will repeat the pattern we have seen since the 1960s. Four times Democrats have won control of both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, and four times they have attempted to govern from the left. Each time Americans saw that agenda and its results, and they rejected it at an early opportunity. Maybe there's a lesson here.
***

We cite the 1960s as a watershed because it marked the creation of the modern Democratic Party. The Southern conservatives who had checked the left since the de facto end of the New Deal in 1938 were swept away by LBJ's 1964 landslide. Democrats implemented their fondest ambitions—the Great Society, Medicare and Medicaid—only to lose 47 House seats in 1966 and the White House two years later, as the Democratic coalition split over Vietnam and flower power.

Thanks to Watergate, Democrats returned to overwhelming dominance in 1976. Jimmy Carter had run as a centrist—he favored regulatory reform and sun-setting programs—but he quickly ran afoul of young liberals on Capitol Hill who had flooded into the House in 1974. They overrode Mr. Carter's spending vetoes and ran his budget director out of town. Democrats avoided major losses in 1978 only to lose both the Senate and White House in the first Reagan landslide amid inflation and gasoline lines.

Their next chance to govern came in 1992, as Bill Clinton won the Presidency after 12 years of GOP dominance. Mr. Clinton ran as a New Democrat, but there were few of those in Congress. Democrats imposed a huge tax increase, put off welfare reform and tried to pass HillaryCare. They lost both houses in 1994, and they wouldn't reclaim the House for 12 years, amid the near-defeat in Iraq and GOP corruption of 2006. For his part, Mr. Clinton saved his Presidency by moving back to the center.

The fourth great Democratic governing opportunity arrived two years ago as Barack Obama rode his post-partisan rhetoric and the financial panic to the largest win by a Democrat since LBJ. Their House majority swelled to 39 seats, and in the Senate they achieved a filibuster-proof 60 seats. The Republican "brand" was badly tarnished, and pundits heralded a new Democratic era. Amid the Democratic euphoria, New York Senator Chuck Schumer visited our offices and told us to cooperate with this new agenda or we would be irrelevant.

Whatever voters thought they were getting in Mr. Obama, in practice they had elected governance by Congressional Democrats. These are the 1960s liberals whom Mr. Obama has empowered and who have run Washington the last two years:

• David Obey, first elected in 1969, wrote the $814 billion stimulus and directed it toward transfer payments rather than job-producing public works.

• Barney Frank, class of '80 and patron of Fannie Mae, wrote the financial reform bill with its 243 new rule-makings and enshrinement of too big to fail.

• Henry Waxman, class of '74, and Ed Markey '76 wrote the cap-and-tax bill that passed the House but failed when Democrats revolted in the Senate. That vote is now punishing Democrats across the U.S.

• Pete Stark, class of '72, drove ObamaCare as far left as it could go in the House, insisting on a new payroll tax. This vote will also end many Democratic careers next week.

• George Miller, class of '74, wrote the federal takeover of the student loan industry and is Speaker Nancy Pelosi's chief enforcer.

• And of course the Speaker herself, first elected in 1987, who famously told Mr. Obama not to compromise on ObamaCare after the Senate election of Scott Brown in January. She would jam the bill through no matter the opposition.

Perhaps Mr. Obama could have imposed more discipline on this crowd, and we advised him early to do so. He chose not to. We suspect he never wanted to, and multiple reports say he overruled then White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to side with Mrs. Pelosi on health care. Mr. Obama is responsible for lashing his Presidency to the Speaker's mast.

conclusion at-

Review & Outlook: There They Went Again - WSJ.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In 2012, Hillary will run on: Single Payer, Amnesty, and Pay Czar capping all salaries at $50,000 and she still won't be far Left enough for the Dem base

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Alright then...so...maybe I am wrong....

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea you'll definitely see some Party-switches after Nov. 2nd. The Socialist/Progressive nutters hijacked the Democratic Party a long time ago. Any Moderate/Conservative-leaning Democrats left,will likely have to move over to the Republican Party. There's just no place for them in this current Democratic Party. Things are going to get even more interesting after Election Day. The Republicans may end up winning more than what you see on Nov. 2nd.

 

[editec]

If and when the Dems lose a number of seats/state elections Tuesday...I would think you will hear a giant sucking sound as center-left Democrats scatter from the leftist that control the party today.
Reid and Pelosi (if they survive) will be dead in the water.

What say you?

I know you think those two are leftists but no leftist I know agrees.

Now as to your question will the Democratic party drift even further to the GOP platform than they've already done for the last 40 years?

I sincerely hope not but given the joke that our campaign finance laws have become I cannot imagine that the parties aren't going to become even more alike over time.

They are BOTH handmaidens to the superwealthy now.