Will someone other then me acknowledge 9/11 occurred???

[Charles_Main]

then why did we go to Iraq?

A) Do you remember the 1991 CEASE FIRE?
Saddam had continued to break it and with 9/11 NO one knew for sure what Saddam's
involvement (obviously 20/20 hindsighters like YOU knew all along..right???)
Saddam also was supporting terrorists paying $25,000 to suicide bomber families!
So of course it was but you weren't around were you ..at that time to consider Saddam
the number 1 terrorists supporting other terrorists!
B) Do you remember Clinton signing the:
There were twelve resolutions from 1991-1998 declaring Iraq in violation of the cease fire, demanding compliance, and threatening "serious consequences."

December 16, 1998 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 [SIGNED BY CLINTON!!!] expressed the sense of congress it should
be policy to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime.
The Act found that Iraq had between 1980 and 1998 (1) committed various and significant violations of International Law, (2) had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed to following the Gulf War and (3) further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support "regime change." The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives[2] and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[3] US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.

Timeline Iraq War IRAQ events... time line
In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.


SO DUH... what the f.kk. would an idiot done AT that point in time??

Based on ALL information.. based on Saddam's continuing ignoring of sanctions..
the 1991 CEASE FIRE continued with his capture!

So what?

North Korea has violated ceasefire agreements for decades.

Are we WRONG for not having invaded NK by now? Is it necessary that we invade North Korea?

Not Necessarily, But we would have clear Legal grounds to do so based on the Repeated Violations Just as we had in Iraq.

Frankly the 2 are Apples and Oranges.

Iraq was a Easy Military Target. Weak Poorly Trained Military, Open Desert for the Most part. North Korea on the Other Hand would Be a Blood bath in any Invasion. Not saying we could not do it, But we would be talking Casualty rates America Has not seen since nam.

Iraq was about Timing. It was a Country who's Leadership we really wanted to go. The Mood after 9/11, Saddam lack of Cooperation with the UN, and a Plethora of other Factors came together to make Invading an More Attractive Option.

 

[Peach]

A) Do you remember the 1991 CEASE FIRE?
Saddam had continued to break it and with 9/11 NO one knew for sure what Saddam's
involvement (obviously 20/20 hindsighters like YOU knew all along..right???)
Saddam also was supporting terrorists paying $25,000 to suicide bomber families!
So of course it was but you weren't around were you ..at that time to consider Saddam
the number 1 terrorists supporting other terrorists!
B) Do you remember Clinton signing the:
There were twelve resolutions from 1991-1998 declaring Iraq in violation of the cease fire, demanding compliance, and threatening "serious consequences."

December 16, 1998 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 [SIGNED BY CLINTON!!!] expressed the sense of congress it should
be policy to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime.
The Act found that Iraq had between 1980 and 1998 (1) committed various and significant violations of International Law, (2) had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed to following the Gulf War and (3) further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support "regime change." The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives[2] and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[3] US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.

Timeline Iraq War IRAQ events... time line
In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.


SO DUH... what the f.kk. would an idiot done AT that point in time??

Based on ALL information.. based on Saddam's continuing ignoring of sanctions..
the 1991 CEASE FIRE continued with his capture!

So what?

North Korea has violated ceasefire agreements for decades.

Are we WRONG for not having invaded NK by now? Is it necessary that we invade North Korea?

Not Necessarily, But we would have clear Legal grounds to do so based on the Repeated Violations Just as we had in Iraq.

So we send US troops to die on WHAT grounds? Where is the cease fire agreement? Or will it be UN resolutions again?

 

[code1211]

The Iraq war was a war built on LIES to the American people about mushroom clouds.

we were told NO ONE could imagine a plane hitting a building because people hated the US.


The problem is Richrad Clarke tried to warn them and they had documents TELLING them OBL want to strike the US.

hell John Oneil left becasue they wouldnt listen to him.

You assholes glibbly called them DISGRUNTLED employees.


Bush held back the broker rules in the GLBact so his rich buddies could make bank.


Yes he will go down as the WORST president.

and you will be one of the idiots claiming he was great.

After the complete and irretrievable failure of the Obama Adminstration, you still think Bush is the worst?

Wow!

By the standards established under the heel of obama, Bush was something of a combination of Washington and Einstein.

Of course, by the standards established by Obama, Hoover isn't so bad.

 

[code1211]

then why did we go to Iraq?

You already forgot ? gAwd told B00B to free the Iraqi people.
Yes. I have a link.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | World news | The Guardian

Your source is the Foreign Minister of Palestine?

Wow!

 

[bobgnote]

then why did we go to Iraq?

You already forgot ? gAwd told B00B to free the Iraqi people.
Yes. I have a link.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | World news | The Guardian

Your source is the Foreign Minister of Palestine? Wow!

Tard1211 knows 9/11 happened, huh!

Does Tardy by the numbers know, the CIA and FBI both knew the terrorists were in the US, and they were up to no good? That is why we now have a DHS and an invasion of Afghanistan, going on, forever.

Tard1211, do you know GW enlisted a lying Iraqi, to sell the GW, Rummy, Cheney case, for an invasion of Iraq, so Halliburton and Blackwater could make billions? It was called Operation Curveball, look it up, I've posted it too much, today.

No WMDs were found, were they. And all this over a former CIA client, Saddam, who was left by GHW, who got cold feet, on the road to Basra. Yeah, a lot of money went around and came around, over US support for Israel, is what.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A) Do you remember the 1991 CEASE FIRE?
Saddam had continued to break it and with 9/11 NO one knew for sure what Saddam's
involvement (obviously 20/20 hindsighters like YOU knew all along..right???)
Saddam also was supporting terrorists paying $25,000 to suicide bomber families!
So of course it was but you weren't around were you ..at that time to consider Saddam
the number 1 terrorists supporting other terrorists!
B) Do you remember Clinton signing the:
There were twelve resolutions from 1991-1998 declaring Iraq in violation of the cease fire, demanding compliance, and threatening "serious consequences."

December 16, 1998 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 [SIGNED BY CLINTON!!!] expressed the sense of congress it should
be policy to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime.
The Act found that Iraq had between 1980 and 1998 (1) committed various and significant violations of International Law, (2) had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed to following the Gulf War and (3) further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support "regime change." The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives[2] and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[3] US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.

Timeline Iraq War IRAQ events... time line
In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.


SO DUH... what the f.kk. would an idiot done AT that point in time??

Based on ALL information.. based on Saddam's continuing ignoring of sanctions..
the 1991 CEASE FIRE continued with his capture!

So what?

North Korea has violated ceasefire agreements for decades.

Are we WRONG for not having invaded NK by now? Is it necessary that we invade North Korea?

Not Necessarily, But we would have clear Legal grounds to do so based on the Repeated Violations Just as we had in Iraq.

Frankly the 2 are Apples and Oranges.

Iraq was a Easy Military Target. Weak Poorly Trained Military, Open Desert for the Most part. North Korea on the Other Hand would Be a Blood bath in any Invasion. Not saying we could not do it, But we would be talking Casualty rates America Has not seen since nam.

Iraq was about Timing. It was a Country who's Leadership we really wanted to go. The Mood after 9/11, Saddam lack of Cooperation with the UN, and a Plethora of other Factors came together to make Invading an More Attractive Option.

So neither war was or would be necessary, but we could fight the unnecessary war in Iraq because it would only kill a few thousand Americans?

 

[Full-Auto]

Will they also acknowledge that the dot.com bust occurred or the WORST hurricane SEASONS in history occurred.. all from 2001 to 2008!
If you are one of the other historically aware persons like me YOU will say "Yes"!
1) Dot.com bust occurred ending the "Clinton" Bubble of phony dot.com stocks and as a result created a $5 trillion losses that each year from 2002 on taxes allowed $166 billion in LOWER tax payment THUS lower revenue!

2) And if you agree with that you MUST agree that the $2 trillion in losses from 9/11 are written off at the rate of $66 billion a year in NO Federal tax revenue. Remember airlines didn't fly for 3 days! Wall st was closed for 10 days! Then the anthrax attacks occurred. Folks that are realists MUST admit these events occurred in 2001 to 2002 as well as An estimated 600,000 jobs were lost as a direct consequence of the terrorist attacks.

3) NOW I know at least one of you agree the Worst hurricanes happened and cost over $1 trillion in market,lost businesses, Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done.
400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. .
This $1 trillion is being written off at the rate of $33 billion a year in LOST Federal tax revenue!

I'm going to shout: OVER $266 billion a year in LOST FEDERAL TAX revenue! Each year starting in 2002 and carrying over for next 20 years!

Where has there been ANY stories as to this $266 billion a year in lost Federal revenue?
Where has there been any stories other then the below that RECOGNIZED that IN spite of these events:
The economy grew every year. Unemployment diminished! Countries were liberated!
ALL in spite of the MSM/Democrats doing everything and saying everything including the recruiting by Reid/Murtha/Obama/Kerry of terrorists encouraging them to kill US troops!

The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

Yup, the economy grew, unemployment was low.

This is a result of the government inflating the housing bubble. Both parties guilty, but one did shout a lot as they benefited from supporting affordable housing on the stump.

 

[Harry Dresden]

then why did we go to Iraq?

You already forgot ? gAwd told B00B to free the Iraqi people.
Yes. I have a link.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | World news | The Guardian

9/11....thats when you ran away to the third world screaming like a little pussy.....right Gordo?.....you were screaming "run the Muslims are coming".....were you surprised when they did not show up?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

then why did we go to Iraq?

You already forgot ? gAwd told B00B to free the Iraqi people.
Yes. I have a link.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | World news | The Guardian

Your source is the Foreign Minister of Palestine?

Wow!

where Gordo ran too, the news that gets out is highly selective.....

 

[healthmyths]

So what?

North Korea has violated ceasefire agreements for decades.

Are we WRONG for not having invaded NK by now? Is it necessary that we invade North Korea?

Not Necessarily, But we would have clear Legal grounds to do so based on the Repeated Violations Just as we had in Iraq.

Frankly the 2 are Apples and Oranges.

Iraq was a Easy Military Target. Weak Poorly Trained Military, Open Desert for the Most part. North Korea on the Other Hand would Be a Blood bath in any Invasion. Not saying we could not do it, But we would be talking Casualty rates America Has not seen since nam.

Iraq was about Timing. It was a Country who's Leadership we really wanted to go. The Mood after 9/11, Saddam lack of Cooperation with the UN, and a Plethora of other Factors came together to make Invading an More Attractive Option.

So neither war was or would be necessary, but we could fight the unnecessary war in Iraq because it would only kill a few thousand Americans?

THE fu...ing truth is 139 died in the liberation of IRAQ that was over
In the invasion phase of the war (March 19-April 30), 9,200 Iraqi combatants were killed along with 7,299 civilians, primarily by U.S. air and ground forces.[138] Coalition forces reported the death in combat of 139 U.S. military personnel[139] and 33 UK military personnel.[140]
Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Less then 6 weeks!

BUT because traitors LIKE YOU and the following recruiting statements by Democrat leaders including OBAMA .. 3,000 more US troops DIED... all because these statements were used to recruit more terrorists.. more bombings...
AND YOU and others that supported these statements... YOU have those dead troops on your Conscience!

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets --action of Americans
in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost",
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Senator Kerry(D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the
dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Senator Obama(D) .."troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

THESE words were used to prolong the Iraq conflict costing $600 billion and 3,000+ lives!
And traitors like the above and YOU will NEVER be forgiven for encouraging these deaths!

 

[code1211]

You already forgot ? gAwd told B00B to free the Iraqi people.
Yes. I have a link.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | World news | The Guardian

Your source is the Foreign Minister of Palestine?

Wow!

where Gordo ran too, the news that gets out is highly selective.....

Who's Gordo?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Your source is the Foreign Minister of Palestine?

Wow!

where Gordo ran too, the news that gets out is highly selective.....

Who's Gordo?

Douger.....its what i call him....he posted his picture once with all the little girls he takes advantage of down there......

 

[healthmyths]

Now for all you conservatives out there...
WHERE in all that LOST tax revenue is there ANY proof for this totally cliched.. dumb ass comment:
"Bush spent like a drunken sailor"!!!


Your source:https://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6129&type=0
This is the : Measures of the Federal Budget Surplus or Deficit, 2001 to 2006
2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 Total surplus/deficit
Total Budget Surplus or Deficit $128 -158 -378 -412 -368 -295 -161 -438 -2,082
now if the $266 billion was
added to the budget:
how much lost tax revenue: -0- 166 166 232 232 266 266 266 1,594

So subtracting from the 2,082 in deficits the 1,594 in LOST tax revenue: TOTAL 8 year loss $488 billion!
So again you conservatives TeLL me again???
And if in fact we didn't have the Homeland security???
since it's creation in 2001 average annual budget: $60 or in 6 years of Bush $480 .. wipes out the loss!
Then because idiots like Democrats Kerry/Reid/Obama/Murtha kept successfully prolonging Iraq.. another $500 billion that was spent ENDING the 1991 CEASE FIRE..
That $500 billion would NOT be spent!
Therefore a BUDGE Surplus GREATER THEN any President..
SO again TeLL me where Bush was a drunken sailor spendthrift???

You are Absolutely Correct, Bush Spent it. Then Obama Came Into Office and proceeded to Make Bush look like a Fiscal Conservative.

What I'm showing is that
a) if those events HAD not occurred Bush's budgets were the same he was not a spendthrift!
b) Those events COST $266 billion a year in additional revenue!
c) Without Iraq/Homeland security the so called "spendthrift" Bush would have a surplus!

I want a conservative to point out where Bush spent like a drunken sailor!

That's just another LIE that even conservatives believe!

Don't use the Medicare Drug program as an example because IN combination with
Part D program the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 slowed somewhat the operating expenses of Medicare! At one time there were over 200 different contractors that handled Medicare payments. Because of the streamlining less then 20!
That reduced a lot of duplicity in Medicare.
So name some other program where Bush spent like a drunken sailor.

9/11 caused homeland security to be formed. Adding another $600 billion to expenses.
Has HSA been successful.. well there hasn't been any major buildings disappear!

Again my point is NO one seems to recognize that due to dot.com bust/911 & worst hurricanes Bush's revenue and Obama's by the way has been reduced by $266 billion a year! I think that once that is recognized and this stupid blame game putting it all on
Bush would become an honest dialogue. Until then every time I hear that stupid idiotic cliche "Bush spent like a drunken sailor" I laugh at the ignorance of the person!

 

[BlindBoo]

then why did we go to Iraq?

A) Do you remember the 1991 CEASE FIRE?
Saddam had continued to break it and with 9/11 NO one knew for sure what Saddam's
involvement (obviously 20/20 hindsighters like YOU knew all along..right???)
Saddam also was supporting terrorists paying $25,000 to suicide bomber families!
So of course it was but you weren't around were you ..at that time to consider Saddam
the number 1 terrorists supporting other terrorists!
B) Do you remember Clinton signing the:
There were twelve resolutions from 1991-1998 declaring Iraq in violation of the cease fire, demanding compliance, and threatening "serious consequences."

December 16, 1998 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 [SIGNED BY CLINTON!!!] expressed the sense of congress it should
be policy to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime.
The Act found that Iraq had between 1980 and 1998 (1) committed various and significant violations of International Law, (2) had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed to following the Gulf War and (3) further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support "regime change." The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives[2] and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[3] US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.

Timeline Iraq War IRAQ events... time line
In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.


SO DUH... what the f.kk. would an idiot done AT that point in time??

Based on ALL information.. based on Saddam's continuing ignoring of sanctions..
the 1991 CEASE FIRE continued with his capture!

The USA signed onto 1441 with the understanding that we would not use it as the basis for an invasion of Iraq. The weapons inspectors were finishing the job of certifying that Iraq did not have the alleged WMD that could make them a threat to the world remaining super power. Without those, Iraq was not a threat. Iraq was not part of the 9-11 attacks not did they offer support to al Queda.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

 

[healthmyths]

then why did we go to Iraq?

A) Do you remember the 1991 CEASE FIRE?
Saddam had continued to break it and with 9/11 NO one knew for sure what Saddam's
involvement (obviously 20/20 hindsighters like YOU knew all along..right???)
Saddam also was supporting terrorists paying $25,000 to suicide bomber families!
So of course it was but you weren't around were you ..at that time to consider Saddam
the number 1 terrorists supporting other terrorists!
B) Do you remember Clinton signing the:
There were twelve resolutions from 1991-1998 declaring Iraq in violation of the cease fire, demanding compliance, and threatening "serious consequences."

December 16, 1998 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 [SIGNED BY CLINTON!!!] expressed the sense of congress it should
be policy to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime.
The Act found that Iraq had between 1980 and 1998 (1) committed various and significant violations of International Law, (2) had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed to following the Gulf War and (3) further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support "regime change." The Act was passed 360-38 in the U.S. House of Representatives[2] and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[3] US President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law on October 31, 1998.

Timeline Iraq War IRAQ events... time line
In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.


SO DUH... what the f.kk. would an idiot done AT that point in time??

Based on ALL information.. based on Saddam's continuing ignoring of sanctions..
the 1991 CEASE FIRE continued with his capture!

So what?

North Korea has violated ceasefire agreements for decades.

Are we WRONG for not having invaded NK by now? Is it necessary that we invade North Korea?

You really are dumb aren't you???
NOT ONE intelligent person would suggest going to war with NK with all the few factors favoring and the many factors against!
Factors against..
1) Obviously no energy threat, i.e. OIL!
2 China is on the border and will come as an ally stupid idea!
3) Yes nuclear is a threat but not one worth risk of invasion.

IRAQ on the other hand DID NOT KEEP the 1991 Cease Fire.
Was important in OIL security!
Had mad many incursions interfering with middle east countries..

So as an good and intelligent person would do.. you assess the risks and rewards and at this time NK is not a good risk assessment!