Will Obama be remembered as the worst potus in US history?

[ShackledNation]

Some will go to their graves claiming Obama was the worst President of all time. Others will go to their graves claiming he was the messiah or at least a damned good representation of the Messiah to come.

The fact is that it is too early to tell and it will be for a long, long time. Much of the troubles he is facing are not of his doing while some of it he is directly responsible for.

But, quite frankly, I would love to see this President pull a rabbit out of a hat and turn this economy around before the end of his first term. Not going to happen, but I can dream... can't I? And for the record, I don't think any of the past Presidents could fix the mess we have gotten ourselves into in that short of time.

Immie

Really? Because the Depression of 1921 was far more severe than our current downturn and was over within a year. The solution is simple. Allow interest rates to rise, allow businesses to fail, and let the economy restructure. The restructure will happen. Current policy is only prolonging the restructuring process and creating regime uncertainty.

 

[Dune]

His only tangible accomplishment is Ocare, and that is arguably not a positive. Can he change course and get us on track?

Not even close. The worst POTUS EVER is reserved for George W. Bush. He is solely RESPONSIBLE for the DEATHS of TENS OF THOUSANDS of innocent people and our troops for NO GOOD REASON.

He was the worst, hands down.

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So this really isn't a place you want to go.......

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Thanks, saved me some typing.

 

[Immanuel]

Some will go to their graves claiming Obama was the worst President of all time. Others will go to their graves claiming he was the messiah or at least a damned good representation of the Messiah to come.

The fact is that it is too early to tell and it will be for a long, long time. Much of the troubles he is facing are not of his doing while some of it he is directly responsible for.

But, quite frankly, I would love to see this President pull a rabbit out of a hat and turn this economy around before the end of his first term. Not going to happen, but I can dream... can't I? And for the record, I don't think any of the past Presidents could fix the mess we have gotten ourselves into in that short of time.

Immie

Really? Because the Depression of 1921 was far more severe than our current downturn and was over within a year. The solution is simple. Allow interest rates to rise, allow businesses to fail, and let the economy restructure. The restructure will happen. Current policy is only prolonging the restructuring process and creating regime uncertainty.

Yes, really.

And (I had to look this up) it was about 18 months not less than a year... of course that is from Wiki so I may be wrong on that. And if I am not mistaken, 18 months is more time than Obama has... Oh oh, that will get some dander up!

Also, things are different today, just technology itself can benefit or hinder the recovery and I am afraid that the divided status of this nation will hinder the recover for a long time.

Immie

 

[Mr.Owl]

On the other hand, you've said zero that's actually libertarian.

I support less government
I support the right to bear arms
I support women's rights to legal abortions
I support 1st amendment rights
I support gay marriage
I support the legalization of marijuana for personal use
I support the Obama's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
I support people's rights to watch porn
I support people's rights to gamble
I support greater sex worker's rights
I support Muslims
I support gay adoption


I do not support senseless, costly wars
I do not support taxes for the middle class
I do not support raising the minimum wage
I do not support censorship

There. Now say what you will,, but if you don't like it, you can kiss my happy Libertarian Obama supporting ass!

 

[Contumacious]

Not by me.

He'll have to go a long way to match the destruction wrought by Wilson, FDR or LBJ....But he is giving it the old college try.

Unlike many, I don't pretend that history started the day I was born.

I'll give you Wilson, FDR with caveats, LBJ? Not so much. Both FDR and LBJ did address some issues domestically that needed addressing, though neither personally bought into the rationales. Nope, I don't mean the "New Deal" stuff or "War on Poverty" stuff. I mean race and class issues. FDR also did some very shrewd moves on the foreign front, cutting off Japan's oil and steel not being one of them.

LBJ has the blood of more than 63,000 young American boys, and countless Vietnamese, on his hands...All killed on a pack of lies.

Yeah, that easily qualifies him as the worst president in my lifetime and one of the top (or bottom, such as it is) five in American history.

Actually, it gets worse. LBJ ordered the summary execution of the sailors in the USS Liberty because he was looking for a pretext to invade Egypt which at the time was a Soviet Satellite.

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[Immanuel]

On the other hand, you've said zero that's actually libertarian.

I support less government
I support the right to bear arms
I support women's rights to legal abortions
I support 1st amendment rights
I support gay marriage
I support the legalization of marijuana for personal use
I support the Obama's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
I support people's rights to watch porn
I support people's rights to gamble
I support greater sex worker's rights
I support Muslims
I support gay adoption


I do not support senseless, costly wars
I do not support taxes for the middle class
I do not support raising the minimum wage
I do not support censorship

There. Now say what you will,, but if you don't like it, you can kiss my happy Libertarian Obama supporting ass!

I thought you said you were a Libertarian?

Everything above except for the first two statements, which sounds more like an attempt to throw out code words, is damned near tried and true Liberal Democrat Talking Points Memo material. By the way, you forgot "Bush's" costly wars.

I'm not a true Libertarian, but I think if you want to label yourself, you might want to consider liberal democrat rather than Libertarian. On the other hand, you have every right to associate yourself with whomever you would like to associate yourself. I just don't see where you see yourself as being Libertarian. For instance, Libertarians do not support a woman's right to legal abortions. They feel that the government should have no say in the matter, same thing with gay marriage and I believe gay adoption as well. Then again just like Democrats and Republicans no Libertarian agrees whole heartedly with any other Libertarian.

By the way, which view of the 1st Amendment rights do you support. The far left belief in the suppression of religious freedoms or a separation of church and state? I suppose some could say that the idea of Separation of Church and State is a right wing interpretation, but I see it as what the founding fathers intended. Who knows maybe I am far right? /shrug

Oh and for the record, for the most part there is nothing wrong with being a liberal Democrat so I don't mean to sound like I think there is anything wrong with that. But then just as there are some wacky far right loons inhabiting this board there are many far left loons as well.

Join us loons in the middle if you like.

Immie

 

[kaz]

On the other hand, you've said zero that's actually libertarian.

There. Now say what you will,, but if you don't like it, you can kiss my happy Libertarian Obama supporting ass!

Let's take a tally here. Here's what we have:

1) These are libertarian

I support women's rights to legal abortions

I support people's rights to watch porn

I support people's rights to gamble

I do not support senseless, costly wars

2) These are not libertarian

I support gay marriage - Libertarians oppose government marriage

I support the legalization of marijuana for personal use - Libertarians oppose all drug laws for sale or use

I support greater sex worker's rights - Libertarians oppose all government rules for "sex workers" or any other workers, they don't just want to expand rights

I do not support taxes for the middle class - libertarians would change our tax system, but they wouldn't exempt any specific group, everyone is a citizen

I do not support raising the minimum wage - Libertarians would eliminate the minimum wage

3) These could be libertarian or not
I support less government - Too vague. what government don't you support?

I support the right to bear arms - Too vague. Do you support some gun ownership or oppose all restrictions?

I support 1st amendment rights - Too vague. Do you oppose all government restrictions? Do you oppose the Fairness Doctrine? Do you oppose the Campaign Finance Reform?

I do not support censorship - what does this mean?

I support Muslims - what does this mean?

4) These have nothing to do with libertarian

I support the Obama's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy - These are the military's rules for itself. There's nothing unlibertarian about your view but there's nothing libertarian either

I support gay adoption - what does this have to do with government?

So the tally, 4 of your views are consistent with libertarian, 5 are not, and the rest are completely unclear.

 

[Ragnar]

On the other hand, you've said zero that's actually libertarian.

I support less government
I support the right to bear arms
I support women's rights to legal abortions
I support 1st amendment rights
I support gay marriage
I support the legalization of marijuana for personal use
I support the Obama's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
I support people's rights to watch porn
I support people's rights to gamble
I support greater sex worker's rights
I support Muslims
I support gay adoption


I do not support senseless, costly wars
I do not support taxes for the middle class
I do not support raising the minimum wage
I do not support censorship

There. Now say what you will,, but if you don't like it, you can kiss my happy Libertarian Obama supporting ass!

Bad news:

Obama does not support less government
Obama does not support the right to bear arms
Obama does not support 1st amendment rights
Obama does not support gay marriage
Obama does not support the legalization of marijuana for personal use
Obama does not support people's rights to gamble
Obama does not support greater sex worker's rights


Obama does support senseless, costly wars
Obama does support taxes for the middle class
Obama does support raising the minimum wage
Obama does support censorship

 

[CrusaderFrank]

On the other hand, you've said zero that's actually libertarian.

I support less government
I support the right to bear arms
I support women's rights to legal abortions
I support 1st amendment rights
I support gay marriage
I support the legalization of marijuana for personal use
I support the Obama's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy
I support people's rights to watch porn
I support people's rights to gamble
I support greater sex worker's rights
I support Muslims
I support gay adoption


I do not support senseless, costly wars
I do not support taxes for the middle class
I do not support raising the minimum wage
I do not support censorship

There. Now say what you will,, but if you don't like it, you can kiss my happy Libertarian Obama supporting ass!

Shut the Fuck Up.

Seriously, just shut the fuck up.

 

[kaz]

I just don't see where you see yourself as being Libertarian

Me either

For instance, Libertarians do not support a woman's right to legal abortions. They feel that the government should have no say in the matter, same thing with gay marriage and I believe gay adoption as well

Now you could have fooled me. I read this one after I posted my reply and made the same points. You may not be a "true" libertarian, but you get it.

 

[Immanuel]

I just don't see where you see yourself as being Libertarian

Me either

For instance, Libertarians do not support a woman's right to legal abortions. They feel that the government should have no say in the matter, same thing with gay marriage and I believe gay adoption as well

Now you could have fooled me. I read this one after I posted my reply and made the same points. You may not be a "true" libertarian, but you get it.

I understand the concept and agree in many respects. However, in many areas, I do believe that there should be some governmental controls. For instance, I don't think abortion should be just allowed to happen at any clinic/hospital/period of gestation/reason. I do believe in regulation of this and many industries.

Which is why I suspect that in a hall of Libertarians, I would be seen as an outsider.

Immie

 

[kaz]

I understand the concept and agree in many respects. However, in many areas, I do believe that there should be some governmental controls. For instance, I don't think abortion should be just allowed to happen at any clinic/hospital/period of gestation/reason. I do believe in regulation of this and many industries.

Which is why I suspect that in a hall of Libertarians, I would be seen as an outsider.

Immie

So you think a politician is better equipped to decide where a woman should be allowed to get an abortion then she is?

 

[Immanuel]

I understand the concept and agree in many respects. However, in many areas, I do believe that there should be some governmental controls. For instance, I don't think abortion should be just allowed to happen at any clinic/hospital/period of gestation/reason. I do believe in regulation of this and many industries.

Which is why I suspect that in a hall of Libertarians, I would be seen as an outsider.

Immie

So you think a politician is better equipped to decide where a woman should be allowed to get an abortion then she is?

I think abortion should be regulated like any other medical procedure.

I also think we as a society should cease and desist promoting it as if it were such a beautiful gift to women.

Immie

 

[Oddball]

I understand the concept and agree in many respects. However, in many areas, I do believe that there should be some governmental controls. For instance, I don't think abortion should be just allowed to happen at any clinic/hospital/period of gestation/reason. I do believe in regulation of this and many industries.

Which is why I suspect that in a hall of Libertarians, I would be seen as an outsider.

Immie

Not at all...Even libertarians are divided on the issue.

That said, the bulk of them believe that it should be regulated at the state level.

Or....

If we passed a federal law banning abortions, withing five years men would find a way to get them.

 

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[Wicked Jester]

His only tangible accomplishment is Ocare, and that is arguably not a positive. Can he change course and get us on track?

He's definitely up there with the likes of Wilson and Carter. It's definitely a toss up between the three.

The man is in no way a leader. His administration is a friggin' joke.

It became quite clear that the man couldn't lead a lil' ol' lady acroos the street without her being crushed by a bus when he had to have ol' William Jethro take the podium for him and do the talking for him. And of course, when Netanyahu (A true leader) thoroughly schooled his sorry ass before the worlds eyes.......He no longer commands respect, both here and across the world. His rhetoric has grown weak and tired. Nobody cares what he has to say. He's a lame duck, nothing more. Except in the eyes of some of the ignorant fools who moronically voted for the empty suit.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Probably not yet,but he's definitely getting there.

 

[Patrick2]

There is no doubt at all now that obama has finally let Jimmy Carter off the hook, replacing him as the worst ever.