Will more guns create a safer society?

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As studies show:

Guns don t offer protection whatever the National Rifle Association says Science The Guardian
Indeed, the evidence suggests the very act of being armed changes one's perception of others to a decidedly more paranoid one. Other studies have shown an element of racial priming too, where a black subject is more likely to be assumed to be carrying a weapon. Guns have a curious psychological effect beyond this: a 2006 study by Dr Jennifer Klinesmith and colleagues showed men exposed to firearms before an experiment had much higher testosterone levels and were three times more likely to engage in aggressive behaviour relative to the subjects not primed with a weapon.

Gun aficionados often frame the debate in terms of protection, but it is vital to realise that the vast majority of rape and murder victims are not harmed by nefarious strangers, but by people they know, and often love – friends, family members, lovers. Far from protecting people and keeping families safe, the sad truth is that firearms are often used in episodes of domestic violence. The John Hopkins centre for gun policy research has some sobering facts on this; women living in a home with one or more guns were three times more likely to be murdered; for women who had been abused by their partner, their risk of being murdered rose fivefold if the partner owned a gun

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Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates

If you have a gun in the home, you are automatically at greater risk for homicide in your own home by a gun.

Same reason I don't keep dynamite in my garage, I don't need it.

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home Findings from a National Study
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
 
Hasn't made us any safer so far.

OTOH, other cultures who don't worship guns don't get shot near as often as Americans do.
 
If you have a gun in the home, you are automatically at greater risk for homicide in your own home by a gun.

I've written about this before but -

I know of a woman who had her gun taken away from her and was beaten with it. She was very lucky to have gotten out alive but she still suffers from the injuries from being pistol whipped.

She would have been much better off if she had used an air taser on the intruder.
 
Guns have become a fetish in this society.

That doesn't mean that all gun owners are part of the fetish cult.

But there most certainly are many who are gun fetishists.

That doesn't mean that they are more or less likely to fall into the statistics above either. However their gun fetish is having a negative impact on society as demonstrated by the statistics in the OP.
 
Oh for chris sake... a firearm is a tool. Ya'll gonna rail about hammers and chainsaws next?

What is the explicit purpose of a hammer?

What is the explicit purpose of a chainsaw?

What is the explicit purpose of a gun?
 
Guns don't make us any safer.

They just make it easier to cause death and destruction when someone over reacts.

Nutters always use the excuse of hammers and cars being the same as guns. Its dumb but its all they have because they can't argue an insane position in sane manner.
 
Oh for chris sake... a firearm is a tool. Ya'll gonna rail about hammers and chainsaws next?

What is the explicit purpose of a hammer?

What is the explicit purpose of a chainsaw?

What is the explicit purpose of a gun?

Or a car, or a swimming pool or any of the other false comparisons the nutters trot out.

And with all those "inanimate objects", we take certain precautions to mitigate damage if they're misused.
 
Oh for chris sake... a firearm is a tool. Ya'll gonna rail about hammers and chainsaws next?
Don't leave out baseball bats, lots of crimes committed with baseball bats.

Provide the link with the stats, since you seem to have a handle on it.

How many people are killed with a baseball bat vs how many people are killed with guns?
 
As studies show:

Guns don t offer protection whatever the National Rifle Association says Science The Guardian
Indeed, the evidence suggests the very act of being armed changes one's perception of others to a decidedly more paranoid one. Other studies have shown an element of racial priming too, where a black subject is more likely to be assumed to be carrying a weapon. Guns have a curious psychological effect beyond this: a 2006 study by Dr Jennifer Klinesmith and colleagues showed men exposed to firearms before an experiment had much higher testosterone levels and were three times more likely to engage in aggressive behaviour relative to the subjects not primed with a weapon.

Gun aficionados often frame the debate in terms of protection, but it is vital to realise that the vast majority of rape and murder victims are not harmed by nefarious strangers, but by people they know, and often love – friends, family members, lovers. Far from protecting people and keeping families safe, the sad truth is that firearms are often used in episodes of domestic violence. The John Hopkins centre for gun policy research has some sobering facts on this; women living in a home with one or more guns were three times more likely to be murdered; for women who had been abused by their partner, their risk of being murdered rose fivefold if the partner owned a gun

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Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates

If you have a gun in the home, you are automatically at greater risk for homicide in your own home by a gun.

Same reason I don't keep dynamite in my garage, I don't need it.

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home Findings from a National Study
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.





The Founders made sure that the PEOPLE would have access to guns to ensure that when our government switched from being legitimate to illegitimate, we could do something about it. They knew that ALL governments eventually fall and in the worst case scenarios become criminal. Like ours is becoming.

I don't care about your silly arguments that have been proven false on numerous occasions. The fact remains that the guns are here and will remain so until some progressive asshole tries to ban them, and then the revolution will begin just like the Founders intended.



I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.

It behoves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.


"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson

"Every generation needs a new revolution." Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny" Thomas Jefferson

"Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither."

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."


"Governments (derive) their just powers from the consent of the governed"


"A government big enough to supply you with everything you need is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.... The course of history shows that as the government grows, liberty decreases."


"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government..."

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 
As studies show:

Guns don t offer protection whatever the National Rifle Association says Science The Guardian
Indeed, the evidence suggests the very act of being armed changes one's perception of others to a decidedly more paranoid one. Other studies have shown an element of racial priming too, where a black subject is more likely to be assumed to be carrying a weapon. Guns have a curious psychological effect beyond this: a 2006 study by Dr Jennifer Klinesmith and colleagues showed men exposed to firearms before an experiment had much higher testosterone levels and were three times more likely to engage in aggressive behaviour relative to the subjects not primed with a weapon.

Gun aficionados often frame the debate in terms of protection, but it is vital to realise that the vast majority of rape and murder victims are not harmed by nefarious strangers, but by people they know, and often love – friends, family members, lovers. Far from protecting people and keeping families safe, the sad truth is that firearms are often used in episodes of domestic violence. The John Hopkins centre for gun policy research has some sobering facts on this; women living in a home with one or more guns were three times more likely to be murdered; for women who had been abused by their partner, their risk of being murdered rose fivefold if the partner owned a gun

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Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates

If you have a gun in the home, you are automatically at greater risk for homicide in your own home by a gun.

Same reason I don't keep dynamite in my garage, I don't need it.

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home Findings from a National Study
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
What we see in other countries which have strict gun laws is that less guns in circulation create a safer society.

For example, there are 30 guns per 100 people in France, as opposed to 90+ in the US. France has a gun related murder rate of 3 per 100,000 people per year as opposed to 10+ in the US. France has stricter gun laws and a safer society, but living in France, one has as many rights as living in the US. They are not a suppressed society by any means.
 
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Oh for chris sake... a firearm is a tool. Ya'll gonna rail about hammers and chainsaws next?


Hammers and chainsaws in the wrong hands can wreak havoc.
All these attempted parallels between guns and household objects or cars, etc. are simply red herrings: there is no logical connection between a household object or a car or boat, etc. and an object purposely created as a deadly weapon. No logical connection
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Oh for chris sake... a firearm is a tool. Ya'll gonna rail about hammers and chainsaws next?
Don't leave out baseball bats, lots of crimes committed with baseball bats.

When someone starts railing on about the evils of inanimate objects, they pretty much proclaim to the world that they are intellectually challenged.
Okay. Let's set aside the gun itself. Let's talk about how they are being used. In the wake of Trayvon Martin and the kid in Cleveland, maybe we should talk about the culture of the gun.

With all the concealed weapons carried by civilians, the excessive us of force by police nearly everywhere. The militarization of police forces after 911. With all those guns and with all the opportunities to employ deadly force opened up via 'stand your ground' laws, shouldn't we be talking about this culture and where it will lead?

What is the reason the Aurora Colorado theater shooter was taken alive while the kid in Cleveland was killed within TWO SECONDS of the cops rolling up? Are we too quick to shoot first? Are there non lethal deterrents?

You sidestepped the gun as a noun. Think about it as a verb.
 
As studies show:

Guns don t offer protection whatever the National Rifle Association says Science The Guardian
Indeed, the evidence suggests the very act of being armed changes one's perception of others to a decidedly more paranoid one. Other studies have shown an element of racial priming too, where a black subject is more likely to be assumed to be carrying a weapon. Guns have a curious psychological effect beyond this: a 2006 study by Dr Jennifer Klinesmith and colleagues showed men exposed to firearms before an experiment had much higher testosterone levels and were three times more likely to engage in aggressive behaviour relative to the subjects not primed with a weapon.

Gun aficionados often frame the debate in terms of protection, but it is vital to realise that the vast majority of rape and murder victims are not harmed by nefarious strangers, but by people they know, and often love – friends, family members, lovers. Far from protecting people and keeping families safe, the sad truth is that firearms are often used in episodes of domestic violence. The John Hopkins centre for gun policy research has some sobering facts on this; women living in a home with one or more guns were three times more likely to be murdered; for women who had been abused by their partner, their risk of being murdered rose fivefold if the partner owned a gun

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Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates

If you have a gun in the home, you are automatically at greater risk for homicide in your own home by a gun.

Same reason I don't keep dynamite in my garage, I don't need it.

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home Findings from a National Study
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
What we see in other countries which have strict gun laws is that less guns in circulation create a safer society.

For example, there are 30 guns per 100 people in France, as opposed to 90+ in the US. France has a gun related murder rate of 3 per 100,000 people per year as opposed to 10+ in the US. France has stricter gun laws and a safer society, but living in France, one has as many rights as living in the US. They are not a suppressed society by any means.






Safer? When is the last time that rioters burned 9,000 vehicles in ONE city? Or did 200 million Euros in damage? No one knows how many died in the Paris riots because the numbers weren't reported in any meaningful way. The fact that they weren't shot I am sure gives them solace:eusa_whistle:
 
As studies show:

Guns don t offer protection whatever the National Rifle Association says Science The Guardian
Indeed, the evidence suggests the very act of being armed changes one's perception of others to a decidedly more paranoid one. Other studies have shown an element of racial priming too, where a black subject is more likely to be assumed to be carrying a weapon. Guns have a curious psychological effect beyond this: a 2006 study by Dr Jennifer Klinesmith and colleagues showed men exposed to firearms before an experiment had much higher testosterone levels and were three times more likely to engage in aggressive behaviour relative to the subjects not primed with a weapon.

Gun aficionados often frame the debate in terms of protection, but it is vital to realise that the vast majority of rape and murder victims are not harmed by nefarious strangers, but by people they know, and often love – friends, family members, lovers. Far from protecting people and keeping families safe, the sad truth is that firearms are often used in episodes of domestic violence. The John Hopkins centre for gun policy research has some sobering facts on this; women living in a home with one or more guns were three times more likely to be murdered; for women who had been abused by their partner, their risk of being murdered rose fivefold if the partner owned a gun

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Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates

If you have a gun in the home, you are automatically at greater risk for homicide in your own home by a gun.

Same reason I don't keep dynamite in my garage, I don't need it.

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home Findings from a National Study
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
What we see in other countries which have strict gun laws is that less guns in circulation create a safer society.

For example, there are 30 guns per 100 people in France, as opposed to 90+ in the US. France has a gun related murder rate of 3 per 100,000 people per year as opposed to 10+ in the US. France has stricter gun laws and a safer society, but living in France, one has as many rights as living in the US. They are not a suppressed society by any means.






Safer? When is the last time that rioters burned 9,000 vehicles in ONE city? Or did 200 million Euros in damage? No one knows how many died in the Paris riots because the numbers weren't reported in any meaningful way. The fact that they weren't shot I am sure gives them solace:eusa_whistle:
One instance, one example does not a solid argument make. I spend a lot of time in France and feel far safer there than I would living in the States. In fact, it is ludicrous to think one is safer in the US than in France. Absolutely ludicrous.

The murder rate in France is 1.31 (by any means). This is compared to a US murder rate of 5. Rape in the US is nearly twice what it is in France. Violent crime homicide in France is 1.63, in the US it is 4.7. In France there are 10.54 murders per million people per year. In the US it is 42, four times more than France.

The reason so many vehicles were destroyed in the riots in France is because the police force held back instead of killing or being extremely violent with the protestors. In France, protesting against the government is for more an accepted practice than it is in the US. Please recall history and the storming of the Bastille.

What you don't know is a lot.

France vs United States Crime Stats Compared

If you are referring to the 2005 riots, very few died. Your innuendo is pathetic and self serving. Try to deal with the truth.
 

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