Will Israel ever return the favor?

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    I am trying to coral this issue into one topic so I don't have to pollute other topics everytime someone mentions how great Israel is for us. So here is my topic for the issue.

    When do we ever get to cash in a favor from Israel?

    For over 40 years we have steadfastly stood by the Jewish state. We have sent billions, every year. We have sent military aid and weapons. We have bought peace for her with Egypt and Jordan. We looked the other way when she attacked and sank the USS Liberty, forsaking our own men and national interest. An action that surely would provoke war with almost any other nation. We have spent well over a trillion dollars, a tenth of our national debt, on this one nation. They have that undeclared nuclear arsenal too. No one else gets away with that. But we let our good friend slide.

    We went to war in Vietnam. Israel wasn't there. No problem. She had problems of her own. Can't blame her there.

    We went to Iraq and Kuwait. Israel wasn't there. No problem. The excuse that we wouldn't want the Arabs to find out that we favor Israel was pretty thin, but no problem. We've got this. Sit tight.

    We were attacked by Al Qaeda. 3,000 dead, at once. Why? What was the stated reason for attacking us? Israel. Surely our friend won't stand for this. They won't let this stand. They will surely join us in this! No. They stayed home for Afghanistan too.

    Iraq II. I just knew it was time to cash in a favor on this one. With so many of our friends abandonning us, begging Turkey and former soviet teritorries for a place to land an airplane or two, needing somewhere for our boys to get their supplies, surely Israel will at least let us use a base? Land a plane or two? Can we stop and wipe our ass for God sake? No. American military isn't allowed to use Israel. Not to attack the common enemy, not to attack the people who killed our citizens becasue we stuck by her for 40 years, damn it all, we were there.


    You have to be completely blind or completely invested in one religious ideaology or another to consider this nation a friend. It makes no sense. I had held out that this was a relationship that we should keep up, no matter the cost, because someday, we would need an allie in that part of the world. People, that day has come and gone. If the day is coming, WHEN? WHEN IS IT?

    Never, is the answer. Israel is a one way proposition. Always has been. If they are starving, feed them. If they are naked, cloth them. But by God, they have enough weapons to defend themselves and they sure as hell don't intend to use them for anything else.
     
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    What are looking for in return?
     
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    If you look at the size of Israel as compared to the rest of the Arab and Islamic world in which they are located, you might start to understand their plight. Yes, they can defend themselves, but they can't wage a long term war with Afghanistan. They should be able to offer our Air Force bases to land, fuel up and rest the pilots though. If they can't do that simple thing, then cut their asses off and let them die.
     
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    o hell kuwaitt did the same thing....this aint new ...and it certianly is not new from israel...

    israel is willing to let american fight and die..for them or by them...they could care less
     
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    We get to test our weapons technology and we probably get some help major with MidEast intelligence, too.
     
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    you are kidding, right OP? Enjoy your new Scarlet A.
     
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    Here is a different question.

    If you have a friend, do you keep tabs on what they owe you and you owe them?

    If so, why do you consider them a friend. I would call them an "associate" because I have yet to come to trust them.

    Well, my dear associates, what do you think?
     
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    nations don't have friends.
     
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    Nations have interests not friends. If our nations are "friendly" it is because we have so many similar interests.

    To take that a step further, friends don't spy on friends, yet Israel has maintained lengthy, damaging spy rings in our country. Walker.

    But, to the OP, we buy Israel because we believe it is in our interests to do so. The question that isn't asked, but implied in the OP is whether it is in "our" interest to do it in a foreign policy sense or in an internal political sense.

    In other words, looking through the lens of Morganthauian Real Politick, does it make national political sense for us to support Israel to the extent we do given the foreign policy trade-offs we are required to make in addition to the billions in transfer payments?

    Or, do we support them because you can't get elected president or, if elected, you can't govern, if you throw Israel to the wolves? If that is the case, what does that say about the use of Jewish power to influence the American political system?
     
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    If nations ally with nations of similiar interests, how are our interests differ from, say , Iran? What interests allows Israel to be an Ally and Iran an enemy?

    Would it not be more beneficial to ally with Iran, toss Israel to the wolves(or to her enemies like Syria) and benefit from an alliance in which our new ally will grow stronger through its oil revenues and does not need any economic benefits or weaponry from us?

    I guess the question of why is Israel so exalted in our political rhetoric and among our allies is a very interesting topic. At least through this definitions.

    Israel is an associate. We can spurn her anytime we wish!! So what hold us to her side?
     

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