Will Americans outlast the insurgency?

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    I think it may be time to withdraw our troops. Not because what we are doing in Iraq is wrong, but because it seems inevitable with a majority of americans against the war and a projected time of 10 years to defeat the insurgency inside Iraq. I do not see the resolve to stay.

    According to recent polls, http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm , Americans are increasingly saying that the war has not been worth it and 52% say a timetable should be implemented.

    General Casey said that these insurgencies generally go on for 10 years. After only two years of fighting, the majority of Americans are already saying it was not worth it.

    How much longer will it be before support for the war erodes until a president has to withdraw troops? Rumsfeld and other Bush officials have stated that success in Iraq means a viable democracy. Historically, it is improbable that a democracy can get a real foothold in Iraq in the next 10 years in such an unstable environment.

    I do not think my point can be easily dismissed. No matter what side you're on, its undeniable that the willpower to stay in Iraq is fading, but what do you think? Is there any foreseeable way that American support might increase, or any future progress in Iraq to support staying?
     
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    I think we are getting to the point where US troop levels will begin to decrease, since the Iraqis have now approved their Constitution. However, Bush won't announce any timetables because that gives the terrorist insurgency the initiative in their fight. I think that troop levels will decrease significantly over the next two or three years as the situtation in Iraq becomes better, and the Iraqis can defend their own land.
     
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    Then the question remains at what point will the Iraqis be ready? There may not be support for troops staying for a year, much less two, three or four more. The way I see this happening is that the next president, within the first 6 months of their presidency, will have to announce some sort of timetable, with troops being withdrawn either gradually or quickly(depending on public opinion).

    Assuming the Bush Admin doesn't withdraw troops, public opinion will only give the troops 3 more years in Iraq. That would mean that the Iraqis would have 5 years of fighting the insurgency alone, not only that, but our withdrawl would be viewed as a defeat, giving more recruits to the insurgents, thereby lengthening the insurgency. Plus, other Middle Eastern countries(i.e. Iran, Syria) would probably arm and help recruit for the insurgency.

    The only reason one could have in saying that troops should be maintained in Iraq for three more years is the hope of training and re-educating the Iraqi army to go after the terrorists.
     
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    We must stay the course. Of course we'll be able to leave someday, but announcing when just gives the terrorists something tangible to hang their dreams upon. This is a battle of wills. The American People will support what is right.
     
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    They have to:

    A: Want to die and don't mind suicide.

    B: Hate the idea of a representative government in Iraq. Guess ya gotta be a Shiite that fears Sunni rule.

    C: Be an Iranian, Syrian, Saudi, Jordanian, take your pick, that sees no future in your own country, and loves the idea of possible killing Americans and dying/ commiting suicide (and getting all those virgins )...
     
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    What evidence do you have that we'll "stay the course"? According to all of the polls I provided, Americans have decided that staying the course is the wrong thing to do.

    Please provide facts.
     
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    First, even if the insurgency is limited, say 200,000, we or the iraqis would have to pull together a sizeable force, maybe 250,000 to defeat them.

    The insurgency may be limited if you define it as being only those that wish to defeat America and democracy. Foreign fighters are replenishable. Maybe they'd like to see a government in Baghdad that is favorable to Iran/Syria/Jordan. Maybe Iran would like to set themselves up with a dictatorship or pupppet government, the Shi'a hold a majority afterall.

    Then of course, apart from the insurgents, there are serious problems between the ethnicities that will probably lead to future violence.
     
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    We will stay the course.
     
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    You made the statement, YOU provide the facts. PROVE Its true.

    Seems the 52% level has been pretty steady for the last year. And besides, thats only questioning if it was worth it, not IF WE SHOULD STAY
     
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    If the UN was anything worth while it would act to help replace American troops with a policing force of multinational defenders to help the Iraqis who have proven that they have the will to be a free nation. It is in the world's best interest to help these people defeat those that would prevent the Iraqis from achieving this goal but as usual these other nations can only bitch about the U.S. acting as the world police and do nothing to help. Why aren't the scummy nations that were so willing to help a ruthless dictator like Saddam(France, Germany, Russia)stepping up to the plate to help the PEOPLE of Iraq?

    Where are the millions of protesters that were supposedly so concerned about the Iraqi people, where is Sean Penn? Why aren't they volunteering to help rebuild this fledgling nation? In other words, it's easy to carry rediculous signs to protest the ones that step up to do the dirty work, signs that supposedly say you care about the people but now that they have had enormously successful elections and they need the world's help, these millions of do gooders are nowhere to be found. . . kinda shows what their true aim was, partying and trying to get laid at another antiwar rally, hypocrites!
     

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