Will a universal income lead to a coming new world order

[MindWars]

(By Michael Snyder) Should you get free money from the U.S. government every month simply for being alive? That may sound like a crazy idea to many of us, but the truth is that this will likely be one of the biggest political issues in the 2020 presidential election. At this point, 40 percent of all Americans already “prefer socialism to capitalism”, and the concept of a “universal basic income” is starting to catch fire among grassroots Democrats. Many liberals are convinced that the time has come to fight for the right to “a
Will ‘A Universal Basic Income’ Lead to a Coming New World Order?
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THe Antifa morons would love this, and to stupid to realize OTHER PEOPLE's money doesn't last jackasses look at Venezuela.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

If by new world order you mean economic disaster then, yes.

 

[BulletProof]

Many Republicans also support a universal income, at least the ones who support the so-called Fair Tax.

As technology puts more people out of work, or into crappy low-end jobs, universal income will grow in popularity. Also, the rise of immigrants, many of them fleeing crappy socialist countries, want to make America socialist.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If by new world order you mean economic disaster then, yes.

UBI, for starters would be used to replace all welfare programs. Later it can be financed by a special Robotics tax to replace the governments lost revenue streams from individual taxes.

Elon Musk: Robots will take your jobs, government will have to pay your wage

Computers, intelligent machines, and robots seem like the workforce of the future. And as more and more jobs are replaced by technology, people will have less work to do and ultimately will be sustained by payments from the government, predicts Elon Musk, the iconic Silicon Valley futurist who is the founder and CEO of SolarCity, Tesla, and SpaceX.

According to Musk, there really won't be any other options.

"There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation," says Musk to CNBC. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen."​

A world without work is coming – it could be utopia or it could be hell | Ryan Avent

Preparing for a world without work means grappling with the roles work plays in society, and finding potential substitutes. First and foremost, we rely on work to distribute purchasing power: to give us the dough to buy our bread. Eventually, in our distant Star Trek future, we might get rid of money and prices altogether, as soaring productivity allows society to provide people with all they need at near-zero cost.

For a good while longer, wages will continue to be the main way people come by money, and prices will be needed to ration access to scarce goods and services. But in the absence of any broader social change, pushing people out of work will simply redirect the flow of income from workers to firm-owners: the rich will get richer. Freeing people from work without social collapse will therefore require society to find ways other than pay for labour to channel money to those not on the job. People might come to receive more of their income in the form of state-led redistribution: through the payment of a basic income, for instance, or direct public provision of services such as education, healthcare and housing. Or, perhaps, everyone could be given a capital allotment at birth.​

https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~wright/Redesigning Distribution v1.pdf

In this spirit, this volume in the Real Utopias Project examines two provocative proposals for radical redesigns of distributive institutions: Universal Basic Income, as elaborated by Philippe van Parijs, and Stakeholder Grants, as elaborated by Bruce Ackerman and Anne Alstott. While both of these proposals contain a range of complex details, as ideals they are both based on very simple principles:

Basic Income. All citizens are given a monthly stipend sufficiently high to provide them with a standard of living above the poverty line. This monthly income is universal rather than meanstested – it is given automatically to all citizens regardless of their individual economic circumstances. And it is unconditional – receiving the basic income does not depend upon performing any labor services or satisfying other conditions. In this way basic income is like publicly-financed universal health insurance: in a universal health care system, medical care is provided both to citizens who exercise and eat healthy diets and to those who do not. It is not a condition of getting medical care that one be “responsible” with respect to one’s health. Unconditional, universal basic income takes the same stance about basic needs: as a matter of basic rights, no one should live in poverty in an affluent society.

Stakeholder Grants. All citizens, upon reaching the age of early adulthood – say 21 – receive a substantial one-time lump-sum grant sufficiently large so that all young adults would be significant wealth holders. Ackerman and Alstott propose that this grant be in the vicinity of $80,000 and would be financed by an annual wealth tax of roughly 2%. In the absence of such grants, children of wealthy parents are able to get lump-sum stakes for education, housing, business start-ups, investments, and so on, whereas children of non-wealthy parents are not. This situation fundamentally violates values of equal opportunity. A system of stakeholder grants, they argue “expresses a fundamental responsibility: every American has an obligation to contribute to a fair starting point for all.”​

Bill Gross: What to Do After the Robots Take Our Jobs

The usual prescriptions for fixing this problem aren’t likely to work, he says, since they’re almost uniformly based upon that concept that doesn’t work anymore. “Four years of college for everyone might better prepare them to be a contestant on Jeopardy, but I doubt it’ll create more growth,” he writes. What will be needed is more spending on the “collapsing” infrastructure, health care for aging generations – and a radical idea that is gaining some attention lately: “Universal Basic Income.”

It’s a proposal in which every citizen gets some basic level of a stipend from the government, say $10,000 or so. He points out that it already exists in other forms, food stamps and the earned-income tax credit. “If more and more workers are going to be displaced by robots, then they will need money to live on, will they not? And if that strikes you as a form of socialism, I would suggest we get used to it.”

The question isn’t whether or not this is going to happen. “It is,” he says. The question is how to pay for it, and the answer is two words: “helicopter money.” This is the concept of central banks essentially printing money, and while it sounds like an unsound idea, it is essentially what’s been happening since the Panic of 2008 anyhow.
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http://www.modernmoneynetwork.org/s...basic_income.pdf?fref=gc&dti=1498223320389140

 

[Roudy]

Is Karl Marx going to have the last laugh?

Was Marx Right?

Interesting Marx quotes:

The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.” –Karl Marx

"Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex" - Karl Marx

“Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.” – Karl Marx

Religion is the opium of the masses.” – Karl Marx

“From the outset, the Christian was the theorizing Jew, the Jew is therefore the practical Christian, and the practical Christian has become a Jew again.” – Karl Marx

The human being is in the most literal sense a political animal, not merely a gregarious animal, but an animal which can individuate itself only in the midst of society.” – Karl Marx

"Revolutions are the locomotives of history" - Karl Marx

Necessity is blind until it becomes conscious. Freedom is the consciousness of necessity.” – Karl Marx

“While the miser is merely a capitalist gone mad, the capitalist is a rational miser.” –Karl Marx

The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e., the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.” – Karl Marx

Capital is money, capital is commodities. By virtue of it being value, it has acquired the occult ability to add value to itself. It brings forth living offspring, or, at the least, lays golden eggs.” – Karl Marx

“Machines were, it may be said, the weapon employed by the capitalists to quell the revolt of specialized labor.” – Karl Marx

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's a good way to produce laziness.

 

[Mortimer]

i dont know but maybe in 2100 there will be robots and shit doing all the work. i think there will be drastic changes in humanity and even what it means to be a human in the next 100 years with artificial intelligence and genetic engineering.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is Karl Marx going to have the last laugh?

Was Marx Right?

Interesting Marx quotes:

The production of too many useful things results in too many useless people.” –Karl Marx

"Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex" - Karl Marx

“Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.” – Karl Marx

Religion is the opium of the masses.” – Karl Marx

“From the outset, the Christian was the theorizing Jew, the Jew is therefore the practical Christian, and the practical Christian has become a Jew again.” – Karl Marx

The human being is in the most literal sense a political animal, not merely a gregarious animal, but an animal which can individuate itself only in the midst of society.” – Karl Marx

"Revolutions are the locomotives of history" - Karl Marx

Necessity is blind until it becomes conscious. Freedom is the consciousness of necessity.” – Karl Marx

“While the miser is merely a capitalist gone mad, the capitalist is a rational miser.” –Karl Marx

The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e., the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.” – Karl Marx

Capital is money, capital is commodities. By virtue of it being value, it has acquired the occult ability to add value to itself. It brings forth living offspring, or, at the least, lays golden eggs.” – Karl Marx

“Machines were, it may be said, the weapon employed by the capitalists to quell the revolt of specialized labor.” – Karl Marx

Marx and the UBI are different topics unless you can show how they are related to one another.

Should we avoid social stability in the name of avoiding some 200 year old boogeyman?

 

[JimBowie1958]

i dont know but maybe in 2100 there will be robots and shit doing all the work. i think there will be drastic changes in humanity and even what it means to be a human in the next 100 years with artificial intelligence and genetic engineering.

Watch this video and keep in ind it is several years old.

 

[Silent Warrior]

UBI is a dumb concept. Let's say you set a figure and begin distribution. All people actually working will demand they get more than UBI in wages. Inflation will skyrocket and the amount of UBI will have to be increased, making the working class demand, more raising inflation etc. UBI is pushed by the lazy to try and get what others have without working for it. Those liberals that claim increased the purchasing power of the poor will increase the economy are either naive or dishonest.

 

[JimBowie1958]

UBI is a dumb concept. Let's say you set a figure and begin distribution. All people actually working will demand they get more than UBI in wages. Inflation will skyrocket and the amount of UBI will have to be increased, making the working class demand, more raising inflation etc. UBI is pushed by the lazy to try and get what others have without working for it. Those liberals that claim increased the purchasing power of the poor will increase the economy are either naive or dishonest.

The concept you have of what UBI is is what is dumb.

Try reading some of the docs I linked to instead.

 

[MindWars]

i dont know but maybe in 2100 there will be robots and shit doing all the work. i think there will be drastic changes in humanity and even what it means to be a human in the next 100 years with artificial intelligence and genetic engineering.

it's already here. We have things half the public doesn't even know about yet. But those little movies you watch they assist into acclimating the public into things we already have. ...........

Example, ppl think Harry Potter's invisible cloak is just fiction no it's not we already have one that functions the military is trying to gain a patent to their own version of it.

How about chips in the brain that control the body movements of those who lost an arm or leg

We have killer robots already that is why Elon Musk has warned do not create these things..