Widening Of The Buffer Zone

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, our friend "Phoenall" is correct. To not recognize the right of the Arab Palestinian to take this action, would have been a "denial" of the right to self-determination. And none of the parties to the crisis wanted to be accused of that.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Where and in what context?

The UN did say "in Palestine" so I assume they meant in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

What are you referring to in this context?

Remember, in 1978, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian territory; under occupation.

v/r
R

Then what was Palestine in 1978?

Remember that the world did not recognize Jordan's annexation of the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory.

Pity that the world did recognise Jordans annexation of the west bank when the arab muslims accepted Jordanian rule and citizenship. In 1978 Palestine was the same as it had been for the last 2000 years or so just a place on the map much like the Pampas and the Steppes. It was not a nation in any form accepted by any other nation until 1988.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian people exercised their inalienable right to self-determination on the matter of annexation. It was they who accepted it annexation through parliamentary action.

History - The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion. SOURCE: Unification of the Two Banks
​

Communication concerning the annexation of the Arab part of Palestine to the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

The PRINCIPAL SECRETARY reported that he had received, for purposes of information, from the Headquarters Secretariat of the United Nations, the full text of the resolution of the Jordan Parliament as approved by the King providing for the annexation of the Arab part of Palestine. The text which was defective in places, was the English translation of an Arab original.

The Commission, since it was in direct relation with the States of the Near East after noting Jordan’s decision, might think it opportune to write to the Jordan Government requesting official communication of the text in question.

The CHAIRMAN thought it would have been natural for the Jordan authorities to have sent the text in question to the Commission without having to be asked for it. In his view the text sent to the Secretary-General was intended for the Members of the United Nations. In those circumstances the Principal Secretary should he instructed to as for the text of the Jordan Parliament’s resolution, in order to emphasize the direct relations existing between the Commission and the Governments interested in the Palestine question. SOURCE: SUMMARY RECORD OF THE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY-EIGHTH MEETING Held at the Palais des Nations, Geneva, on Friday, 28 April 1950, at 11 a.m.​

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III. THE TERRITORIAL QUESTION --- UNITED NATIONS CONCILIATION COMMISSION FOR PALESTINE ---- THE PALESTINE CRISIS

Regardless of the reservations contained in the Armistice Agreements on the temporary character of the Armistice lines, it is certain that with the simple passage of time these lines are increasingly acquiring the validity and permanence of formal frontiers. This natural process is inevitable and has been considerably assisted by the two following events whose profound significance need not be underlined; the annexation of the greater part of Arab Palestine by Jordan, and the guarantee given to the Armistice lines by the Governments of the United States, the United Kingdom and France. SOURCE: A/AC.25/W/51 9 October 1950​

The Arab Palestinian action on self-determination was never rejected by the UN Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) OR the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

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P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, our friend "Phoenall" is correct. To not recognize the right of the Arab Palestinian to take this action, would have been a "denial" of the right to self-determination. And none of the parties to the crisis wanted to be accused of that.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Where and in what context?

The UN did say "in Palestine" so I assume they meant in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

What are you referring to in this context?

Remember, in 1978, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian territory; under occupation.

v/r
R

Then what was Palestine in 1978?

Remember that the world did not recognize Jordan's annexation of the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory.

Pity that the world did recognise Jordans annexation of the west bank when the arab muslims accepted Jordanian rule and citizenship. In 1978 Palestine was the same as it had been for the last 2000 years or so just a place on the map much like the Pampas and the Steppes. It was not a nation in any form accepted by any other nation until 1988.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian people exercised their inalienable right to self-determination on the matter of annexation. It was they who accepted it annexation through parliamentary action.

History - The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion. SOURCE: Unification of the Two Banks
​

Communication concerning the annexation of the Arab part of Palestine to the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

The PRINCIPAL SECRETARY reported that he had received, for purposes of information, from the Headquarters Secretariat of the United Nations, the full text of the resolution of the Jordan Parliament as approved by the King providing for the annexation of the Arab part of Palestine. The text which was defective in places, was the English translation of an Arab original.

The Commission, since it was in direct relation with the States of the Near East after noting Jordan’s decision, might think it opportune to write to the Jordan Government requesting official communication of the text in question.

The CHAIRMAN thought it would have been natural for the Jordan authorities to have sent the text in question to the Commission without having to be asked for it. In his view the text sent to the Secretary-General was intended for the Members of the United Nations. In those circumstances the Principal Secretary should he instructed to as for the text of the Jordan Parliament’s resolution, in order to emphasize the direct relations existing between the Commission and the Governments interested in the Palestine question. SOURCE: SUMMARY RECORD OF THE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY-EIGHTH MEETING Held at the Palais des Nations, Geneva, on Friday, 28 April 1950, at 11 a.m.​

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III. THE TERRITORIAL QUESTION --- UNITED NATIONS CONCILIATION COMMISSION FOR PALESTINE ---- THE PALESTINE CRISIS

Regardless of the reservations contained in the Armistice Agreements on the temporary character of the Armistice lines, it is certain that with the simple passage of time these lines are increasingly acquiring the validity and permanence of formal frontiers. This natural process is inevitable and has been considerably assisted by the two following events whose profound significance need not be underlined; the annexation of the greater part of Arab Palestine by Jordan, and the guarantee given to the Armistice lines by the Governments of the United States, the United Kingdom and France. SOURCE: A/AC.25/W/51 9 October 1950​

The Arab Palestinian action on self-determination was never rejected by the UN Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) OR the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

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From your link:

(a) The fact that the emotional trauma suffered by the Arab peoples as a result of the creation of the State of Israel in Palestine and the displacement of almost a million Arabs is still far being healed...​

There is that pesky "in Palestine" thing again.

Why should the Palestinians accept a foreign state being created in Palestine?

Who else in the world would accept such a thing.

Give me some names.

Rocco, according to you:

Jordan occupied the West Bank in 1949 even though there was no war between Jordan and Palestine.

Jordan annexed the West Bank in 1950.

Israel won the West Bank from Jordan in 1967.

Now it is occupied Palestinian territory.

The thing about propaganda is that even though it makes no sense, some people still believe it.

India when it had two foreign states created on its land, Yugoslavia when it had a foreign state created on its land there you go 3 instances of this happening and in each case it was the muslims. Now why is it nothing is said about muslim states being created on non muslim land around the world, but let an indigenous people exercise their rights and declare independence on land they own and the muslims go ballistic.

You forget that the only Palestinians for nearly 2000 years were the Jews, the arab muslims called themselves Syrians. So the Jews have a perfect right to lay claim to the land and then invite those they want to come and settle there.


So what is your timeline of events in the west bank, and remember to include the reason why Jordan threw the Palestinians to the dogs ?

 

[Phoenall]

Rocco, I have a quick question for you. You might have explained it already, so I might have missed it.

How is it that the West Bank was 'sovereign Jordanian territory' if they occupied it?

Because the arab muslims there exercised their rights and accepted Jordanian rule in return for citizenship. Then they exercised their rights again and decided they wanted to rule Jordan completely. This led to the Jordan forces murdering 50,000 Palestinians kept in cages and the removal of citizenship to those in the west bank. Throwing them to the dogs once again

 

[Phoenall]

Where did you read that ?

History.

I think you made it up.

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Not in this case as it was just a place to hold a conference, much as the Palestinians have held conferences in Cairo and Bagdad. They are "foreign" being outside of Palestine. The Jewish agency was formulated by the Zionist Congress that could have met anywhere in the world, they chose Zurich because it was unbiased.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, this is a misinterpretation of the facts.

The Jewish Agency (not foreigners),..

The foreign Jewish Agency was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

The Jewish Agency was created to work with the mandate and served at its pleasure. It had no legitimate function outside of the mandate that left Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."

The JA still exists today serving the greater Jewish Community in various aspects in the interest of national development.

We were instrumental in founding and building the State of Israel and continue to serve as the main link between the Jewish state and Jewish communities everywhere. This global partnership has enabled us to address the Jewish People’s greatest challenges in every generation.​

Today, we connect the global Jewish family, bringing Jews to Israel, and Israel to Jews, by providing meaningful Israel engagement and facilitating Aliyah. We build a better society in Israel - and beyond - energizing young Israelis and their worldwide peers to rediscover a collective sense of Jewish purpose.

The Jewish Agency continues to be the Jewish world’s first responder, prepared to address emergencies in Israel, and to rescue Jews from countries where they are at risk. SOURCE: The Jewish Agency​

One of the reasons that the Arab Palestinian Community has failed to progress is that it declined (another negative exercise in the right of self-determination) to establish a counterpart agency for the Arab Community.

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
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In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials. SOURCE: The First Attempt to Create Self-Governing Institutions, 1922-23, A/AC.14/8
2 October 1947​

P F Tinmore, et al,

No

It wasn't "their Palestine."

Are you saying that Palestine is not the Palestinian's?

You are going weird on us.

(COMMENT)

You are taking this out of context and in the improper timeline.

The State of Palestine did not come under Palestinian Sovereignty until 1988.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians right to sovereignty predate the 1988 declaration that did nothing for their sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

I agree, the Arab "right to self determination" predates 1988. But in saying that, the Palestinian must work successfully to exercise that right. Having a "right" and "exercising that right" are two entirely different matters. AND, there are limits; in that the "rights" are not politically or territorially infinite. In this case the UN Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967 (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012). Without regards to what the Arab Palestinian Community might have envisioned as their "rights" --- they failed to make any meaning attempt to achieve their original aspirations as originally stated by their representative --- "mindful of the racial kindship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, the absence of understanding.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Damn, there is that pesky in Palestine thing again.

How can the Palestinians have inalienable rights in Palestine unless there is a Palestine?

(COMMENT)

The phrase "in Palestine" is not a bounded territorial promise. It doesn't imply that the Palestinians have some "right" to all of the territory formerly under Mandate.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

1974 predates 1988 and the Palestinian's right to sovereignty predate that resolution.

Why the PLO declared independence again in 1988 is a good question.

(COMMENT)

The reasons are what they are. The history cannot be changed. The timeline moves always forward.

You criticize the PLO for declaring independence, yet you cry-out consistently for "independence and sovereignty." It doesn't happen by magic. In order for a people, any people (even the Palestinians), to achieve their national aspirations, they must put forth some positive and productive effort in the establish of their "independence and sovereignty." This, over and over again, has been the missing component in the Arab Palestinian attaining their goal --- a positive effort.

Even today, the government of the Palestinian People is nothing more than a parasitic entity, unable to even carryout the basic functions of a democracy.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, the absence of understanding.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

Damn, there is that pesky in Palestine thing again.

How can the Palestinians have inalienable rights in Palestine unless there is a Palestine?

(COMMENT)

The phrase "in Palestine" is not a bounded territorial promise. It doesn't imply that the Palestinians have some "right" to all of the territory formerly under Mandate.

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A RES 3236 XXIX of 22 November 1974​

1974 predates 1988 and the Palestinian's right to sovereignty predate that resolution.

Why the PLO declared independence again in 1988 is a good question.

(COMMENT)

The reasons are what they are. The history cannot be changed. The timeline moves always forward.

You criticize the PLO for declaring independence, yet you cry-out consistently for "independence and sovereignty." It doesn't happen by magic. In order for a people, any people (even the Palestinians), to achieve their national aspirations, they must put forth some positive and productive effort in the establish of their "independence and sovereignty." This, over and over again, has been the missing component in the Arab Palestinian attaining their goal --- a positive effort.

Even today, the government of the Palestinian People is nothing more than a parasitic entity, unable to even carryout the basic functions of a democracy.

Most Respectfully,
R

If you read the posts that cry for the Palestinians rights what they are really demanding is that the world removes Israel and the Jews from the M.E. so the arab muslims have a ready made nation to walk into. They don't want the Palestinians to have to work and pay for their own nation when there is a perfectly good one already built and prospering right next door and that it is their right under sharia law to take it any time they want.

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, et al,

Don't pay any attention to this. It is merely a one-sided referral to the Prosecutor for consideration on behalf of the The Comoros.

Legality of the naval blockade: The report does not reach a decision on this question, on which the different commissions of inquiry have differences of opinion, because according to the report, the legality of the naval blockade is relevant to only one of the alleged crimes (the crime of intentionally directing an attack against civilian objects, that is, the takeover of the Mavi Marmara) and does not impact on the assessment of the other war crimes examined.

And who was named in the arrest warrants issued on charges of war crimes ?

(COMMENT)

There was no warrant because the event did not rise to the level of a "War Crime" or a "Crime Against Humanity." It is not like the IDF killed-off an Olympic Team, or hi-jacked a commercial airliner killing passengers and throwing them on the tarmac. It is not like the IDF (imitating Palestinian terrorists) stopped and boarded a cruise-liner and killed off crippled passengers and rolled their wheelchair into the sea. It is not like the IDF fired 4000 rockets into the jurisdiction of The Comoros.

What we have here is a bold and blatant case of pro-Palestinians attempting to provide material support to a number of designated terrorist group by purposely placing themselves in harms way and running a naval blockade with contraband.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Where did you read that ?

History.

I think you made it up.

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

 

[P F Tinmore]

History.

I think you made it up.

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

 

[toastman]

I think you made it up.

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

Can you without doubt prove the bold, or are you making up lies again for your agenda?

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

Can you without doubt prove the bold, or are you making up lies again for your agenda?

I already posted a link. Is there a specific part that you do not understand?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This shows a distinct misunderstanding of the Jewish Agency and it relationship to the government.

I think you made it up.

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency [non-governmental organization (NGO) --- Once Called the Palestine Zionist Executive (PZE)] was created in accordance with Articles 4 and 6 of the Mandate. After the adoption of the Partition Plan and the appointment of the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) to be the successor Government on the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish Agency for Palestine, was the designated representatives to assist the commission. This was a critical function in working together with ALL jews (zionist and non-zionist) in building the Jewish National Home under the provisions of the Mandate. It is an organization that was organic to that purpose and is as indigenous to that purpose as any Arab Palestinian organization of a comparable nature; including the establishment of the Arab Higher Committee by the Arab League (also a foreign parent organization).

Prior to the Declaration of Independence for the Jewish State, Israel, the Jewish Agency --- was instrumental in establishing the two key Jewish Councils which came together and blended to form the Provision Government of Israel (the People's Council and the National Council). After the termination of the Mandate, and upon the Declaration of Independence, the Jewish Agency was thereafter an NGO under the umbrella of the Provisional Government of Israel.

The Arab Palestinian had no say into the evolutionary process of the Jewish Agency, or to dictate the mission, goals or objectives of the Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This shows a distinct misunderstanding of the Jewish Agency and it relationship to the government.

In 1929, the Palestine Zionist Executive was renamed, restructured and officially inaugurated as The Jewish Agency for Palestine by the 16th Zionist Congress, held in Zurich, Switzerland.

...the Jewish Agency for Palestine was recognized by the British in 1930, in lieu of the Zionist Organization, as the appropriate Jewish agency under the terms of the Mandate.

Jewish Agency for Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency [non-governmental organization (NGO) --- Once Called the Palestine Zionist Executive (PZE)] was created in accordance with Articles 4 and 6 of the Mandate. After the adoption of the Partition Plan and the appointment of the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) to be the successor Government on the termination of the Mandate, the Jewish Agency for Palestine, was the designated representatives to assist the commission. This was a critical function in working together with ALL jews (zionist and non-zionist) in building the Jewish National Home under the provisions of the Mandate. It is an organization that was organic to that purpose and is as indigenous to that purpose as any Arab Palestinian organization of a comparable nature; including the establishment of the Arab Higher Committee by the Arab League (also a foreign parent organization).
Prior to the Declaration of Independence for the Jewish State, Israel, the Jewish Agency --- was instrumental in establishing the two key Jewish Councils which came together and blended to form the Provision Government of Israel (the People's Council and the National Council). After the termination of the Mandate, and upon the Declaration of Independence, the Jewish Agency was thereafter an NGO under the umbrella of the Provisional Government of Israel.

The Arab Palestinian had no say into the evolutionary process of the Jewish Agency, or to dictate the mission, goals or objectives of the Agency.

Most Respectfully,
R

So, how does this conflict with my post?

 

[toastman]

And ? No mention of foreign.

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

Can you without doubt prove the bold, or are you making up lies again for your agenda?

I already posted a link. Is there a specific part that you do not understand?

Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Your claims are that:

• The Jewish Agency is a foreign organization.
• That the Jewish Agency created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.
• It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

None of which are accurate.

So, how does this conflict with my post?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was created as an "indigenous agency" to the territory to which the Mandate applied, at the direction of the Allied Powers and to assist the Mandatory in the building of a Jewish National Home. The Jewish Agency was made-up of Jewish Palestinians for Jewish Palestinians.

The Jewish Agency was created inside the territory under the Mandate of Palestine, helping create the the Jewish State of Israel in accordance with the Steps Preparatory to Independence, and under the right of self-determination of the Jewish People. Approved by the People's Council and the National Council.

The Jewish Agency had the functions and responsibilities of that under the Mandate (Articles 4 and 6), and to carry out the Steps Preparatory to Independence under the supervision of the UN Palestine Commission. After Independence, it was an NGO under Israel Government Supervision.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Zurich Switzerland is not foreign to Palestine?

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

Can you without doubt prove the bold, or are you making up lies again for your agenda?

I already posted a link. Is there a specific part that you do not understand?

Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Your claims are that:

• The Jewish Agency is a foreign organization.
• That the Jewish Agency created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.
• It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

None of which are accurate.

So, how does this conflict with my post?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was created as an "indigenous agency" to the territory to which the Mandate applied, at the direction of the Allied Powers and to assist the Mandatory in the building of a Jewish National Home. The Jewish Agency was made-up of Jewish Palestinians for Jewish Palestinians.

The Jewish Agency was created inside the territory under the Mandate of Palestine, helping create the the Jewish State of Israel in accordance with the Steps Preparatory to Independence, and under the right of self-determination of the Jewish People. Approved by the People's Council and the National Council.

The Jewish Agency had the functions and responsibilities of that under the Mandate (Articles 4 and 6), and to carry out the Steps Preparatory to Independence under the supervision of the UN Palestine Commission. After Independence, it was an NGO under Israel Government Supervision.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jewish Agency was created as an "indigenous agency" to the territory to which the Mandate applied,​

Rocco, you are a hoot.

Not one of those fuckers were indigenous to Palestine.

 

[toastman]

Thats not what I meant. In your link it says the agency was approved under the terms of the mandate. Being foreign or not is irrelevant.

It was relevant. The Jewish Agency was a foreign organization that was created by the foreign World Zionist Organization to represent the Zionists to the mandate. It had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine.

This is the foreign organization that created Israel inside Palestine without the approval of the people.

Can you without doubt prove the bold, or are you making up lies again for your agenda?

I already posted a link. Is there a specific part that you do not understand?

Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.

Ok , so you didn't answer my question.

In other words, your statement that the "Jewish agency had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine"
is something you made up and have NOTHING at all to back it up with.

It's ok, I'm used to you doing that..

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now we are just quibbling over derivative authority versus statutory authority.

In all matters relating to the Administration of Palestine, the authority was derivative; even the authority of the Mandatory (UK).

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Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.[/QUOTE]
(COMMENT)

In January 1947, the Jewish Agency was unequivocally the designated representatives to assist the UN Palestine Commission in the establishment of an Independent State. This was completely outside the scope of the Mandate. That is because it was amid the transition.

Your argument is now convoluted. With regard to True Authority, you are correct. The Jewish Agency had no true authority any more than the Arab Higher Committee had any authority. All authority was administered and delegated to the Mandatory. That does not diminish that contributions made by the Jewish Agency in the utimate establishment of the Jewish National Home.

In terms of authority to exercise the right of self-determination, the Jewish Agency, had all the authority required to complete the Steps Preparatory to Independence for the Provisional Government to Declare Independence; much much more than that of the Arab Palestinian; this is self evident in the face of the fact that it was accomplished. A goal towards nationalism which the Arab Palestinian were unable to attain.

You want to call it "advisory" --- so be it. In reality --- they built a nation that endures to this day and is self-governing and economically stable and sound. What did the Arab Palestinian accomplish?

You as a proPalestinian can criticize the Israeli all you want, but in the end, they have a nation working towards peace. In contrast, the Arab Palestinian has a dysfunctional operations that is monetarily parasitic and Jihadist in nature working towards the continuation of conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now we are just quibbling over derivative authority versus statutory authority.

In all matters relating to the Administration of Palestine, the authority was derivative; even the authority of the Mandatory (UK).

[

Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.

(COMMENT)

In January 1947, the Jewish Agency was unequivocally the designated representatives to assist the UN Palestine Commission in the establishment of an Independent State. This was completely outside the scope of the Mandate. That is because it was amid the transition.

Your argument is now convoluted. With regard to True Authority, you are correct. The Jewish Agency had no true authority any more than the Arab Higher Committee had any authority. All authority was administered and delegated to the Mandatory. That does not diminish that contributions made by the Jewish Agency in the utimate establishment of the Jewish National Home.

In terms of authority to exercise the right of self-determination, the Jewish Agency, had all the authority required to complete the Steps Preparatory to Independence for the Provisional Government to Declare Independence; much much more than that of the Arab Palestinian; this is self evident in the face of the fact that it was accomplished. A goal towards nationalism which the Arab Palestinian were unable to attain.

You want to call it "advisory" --- so be it. In reality --- they built a nation that endures to this day and is self-governing and economically stable and sound. What did the Arab Palestinian accomplish?

You as a proPalestinian can criticize the Israeli all you want, but in the end, they have a nation working towards peace. In contrast, the Arab Palestinian has a dysfunctional operations that is monetarily parasitic and Jihadist in nature working towards the continuation of conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]
Indeed, and all of that was in violation of the inalienable rights of the native population.

You know, the Palestinians, that the lying sacks of shit in Israel have always claimed did not exist.