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That has not been determined...
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What facts? You have only posted what you believe to be true...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FN-XZpDdW_I
thats why i said most likely. As in my opinion genius
See youtube video
um no what i posted are facts. Walker hasnt compromised on anything. The unions and Dems where willing to meet a lot of his desires.
Tax payers only pay 5% into the benefits of the unions.
Walker was pranked and in that prank we got to see how low Walker was willing to go.
The Republicans removed a bunch of provisions, in order to vote without the dems being there. In which they barred the dems from entering for a couple of hours.
these are facts.
Clever and sneaky. Now it remains to be seen if the WI voters like having clever, sneaky Republicans in power.
Plasmaball said:um no what i posted are facts. Walker hasnt compromised on anything. The unions and Dems where willing to meet a lot of his desires.
I was a long time union member and I believe unions have their place in the private sector but not in public service. Would you want your military to have the right to vote on supporting military action or not? When I see groups like SDS and Communist party on union picket lines it makes me sick. When I was a union member ( butchers union starting 1969) We would have given them a few bruises and run them off. What the He** has happen to our unions. They sure don't express my views anymore. I think we were better off when the mob controlled the unions that the un-american bunch that controls them now.
That has not been determined...<snip>
If anyone has been violent, sure charge them. But that doesnt take away from the fact the Rep. Are breaking a law, and most likely this will be challenged in court.
Link? (No leftist sites)
What facts? You have only posted what you believe to be true...But yes lets skip those facts for your silly meaningless rants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FN-XZpDdW_I
thats why i said most likely. As in my opinion genius
See youtube video
um no what i posted are facts. Walker hasnt compromised on anything. The unions and Dems where willing to meet a lot of his desires.
Tax payers only pay 5% into the benefits of the unions.
Walker was pranked and in that prank we got to see how low Walker was willing to go.
The Republicans removed a bunch of provisions, in order to vote without the dems being there. In which they barred the dems from entering for a couple of hours.
these are facts.
That has not been determined...<snip>
If anyone has been violent, sure charge them. But that doesnt take away from the fact the Rep. Are breaking a law, and most likely this will be challenged in court.
Link? (No leftist sites)
What facts? You have only posted what you believe to be true...But yes lets skip those facts for your silly meaningless rants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FN-XZpDdW_I
thats why i said most likely. As in my opinion genius
See youtube video
um no what i posted are facts. Walker hasnt compromised on anything. The unions and Dems where willing to meet a lot of his desires.
Tax payers only pay 5% into the benefits of the unions.
Walker was pranked and in that prank we got to see how low Walker was willing to go.
The Republicans removed a bunch of provisions, in order to vote without the dems being there. In which they barred the dems from entering for a couple of hours.
these are facts.
So the GOP pulled a fast one. Watching Rachael Maddow squirm and whine last night as this story broke was priceless. She described it as "pulling a rabbit out of a hat". Thats right. The GOP is full of winners, not whiners. The Dem's refused to come home and do their job, and instead fled and cried like angry 16 year old girls for a month. So....the GOP got it done and won. The union is busted, and likely will help the financial stability of the state of WI for decades. Also to follow....Idaho, Michigan, Ohio, Jersey, and others, are gonna follow. Maddow showed a chart in which something like 15-20 states have union-busting legislature ready to go, and some already passed it.
This will not only break up the thuggish, parasite-like unions, but it will do two other great things:
1- FINALLY, the workers in those states will have a right to work. In other words, they'll have the FREEDOME TO CHOOSE to send union dues or not. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. The discriminatory, intolerant unions refused to work next to a non-union "scab" for decades. Now, the "scabs" will have the right to simply show up and do their job....unlike Wisconsin Democrats.
2- Without the mandatory union dues, a huge percentage of the people won't voluntarily send money. Why would they? The Dept of Labor ensures fair labor conditions now. Unions are obsolete. They are ONLY in place as a fundraiser for the Democratic Party, and soon that is gonna be over.
And #2 is the reason Dems and MSNBC types are so enraged. They don't give two craps about a 30 year old math teacher. They care about the Democratic Party becoming drastically under-funded over the next 5-20 years and the GOP, with new allowances for corporations to spend money on candidates, having a massive financial advantage in the future. This spells doom for the Dems. And they are terrified.
I said 1.5 years ago that regardless of ideology, just pure tactics, Republicans are just better at this shit. They're better politicians. They're better at just winning. They are the types who were the high school football captains. Dems are the types that played art and music games through high school. 2 different types of people. And it's showing. The GOP won, and quite possibly set up victory for decades to come.
We shall see. But this is a huge first step. Bravo to the WI Governor and Senate for having the guts to stand up to the hordes of whiners and get the people's work done.
This was a clever trick, using a loophole in the voting rules and keeping it secret til they had everything ready to go, not allowing the Dems a chance to react....clever.
So, we'll see if the Wisconsin voters appreciate the cleverness.
We'll see if the Wisconsin courts feel this passes the "open meeting" smell test.
As for collective bargaining....maybe the unions ought to enter into the spirit too and make sure that when they DO negotiate new contracts, non-members get NONE of the benefits of that bargaining as they would have had with collective bargaining. A few people being left out in the cold should do the Republicans a world of good.
Just more proof that lefties at their core are nothing more than believers in FORCE....just look at their heroes...Stalin, Mao,...ect.
Speaking of more proof. You need to provide PROOF that the leftie posters here have Stalin and Mao as our heroes. Thank you for your proof in advance....I look forward to it.
Lefties around the world, and in our country, have praised various dictators of left wing regimes. They've worn the images of them on t-shirts. One of Obama's czars stated they agree with Mao "in that power is weilded at the barrel of a gun".
Examples of left wing ideology in full bloom (aka, total equality for all):
United Socialist States of Russia (USSR)
Red China
Fascist Italy
Cuba
Burma
Vietnam
Russia
North Korea
National Socialist Party of Germany
See, total equality, the dream of liberalism, cannot be achieved without overwhelming force.
And much like cancer, liberalism can be benign (Norway) or malignant (USSR).
Me? I'd rather just not have cancer.
Just more proof that lefties at their core are nothing more than believers in FORCE....just look at their heroes...Stalin, Mao,...ect.
Speaking of more proof. You need to provide PROOF that the leftie posters here have Stalin and Mao as our heroes. Thank you for your proof in advance....I look forward to it.
You follow your Marxist leader BO....don't you....?
They need to do away with tenure as well. Ridiculous notion.
I know...everyone everywhere should be in fear of instantly losing their job for no reason given. It's a wonderful idea.
