Why would a God even need a hell?

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I know a lot of people who claim to be saved and have been baptized, but they certainly aren't walking in the footsteps of Christ.

That's not for you to JUDGE. You need only worry whether YOU are.

 

[Divine Wind]

...I let God judge....

Stick with that and you may become saved afterall. Just saying "I accept Christ" then turning around and hating on others isn't going to make you look very good on Judgment Day.

 

[Divine Wind]

That's not for you to JUDGE. You need only worry whether YOU are.

Says a person who claims to be the Angel of Death. LOL

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

It can get confusing ,in some OT scriptures it is Jesus ,but in others its the Father. One just has to understand which one is speaking.

Sorry, no. Jesus came to REVEAL the Father. He was not known. Most people assume the God of the OT was the Father. He was not. The God Moses was allowed to get a glimpse of as a true GOD BEING was the One born as Jesus.

It really is a point that needs to be well understood.
The Being born as Jesus was the One who created the universe and everything you hold near and dear. Once you understand that, it all falls into place.

 

[koshergrl]

...I let God judge....

Stick with that and you may become saved afterall. Just saying "I accept Christ" then turning around and hating on others isn't going to make you look very good on Judgment Day.

Don't worry about it, I'm good sweets. Now go judge elsewhere, you non-judger you.

 

[koshergrl]

I know a lot of people who claim to be saved and have been baptized, but they certainly aren't walking in the footsteps of Christ.

That's not for you to JUDGE. You need only worry whether YOU are.

Isn't it funny it's always the ones who jump all over other people for daring to judge who are the most judgmental of all?

 

[Mickiel]

The Father said in Isaiah 46:9 that he alone is God and there is none like him.

No, again you dontvunderstand the Scriptures. The God of the OT was the Being born as Jesus.

Why did this God Being come? Among other reasons, HE SAID

And no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.

It can get confusing ,in some OT scriptures it is Jesus ,but in others its the Father. One just has to understand which one is speaking. Jesus cannot say that he alone is God and its none like him. Jesus died , the Father has never died. The Father gave Jesus his life, John 5:26.In John 8:42 Jesus explains his origin; he said he " Proceeded forth and came from God", which sounds like a birth to me.

Jesus said in John 6:57 that he lives because of the Father; that cannot be said of the Father himself , he lives because of no one.

 

[Mickiel]

It can get confusing ,in some OT scriptures it is Jesus ,but in others its the Father. One just has to understand which one is speaking.

Sorry, no. Jesus came to REVEAL the Father. He was not known. Most people assume the God of the OT was the Father. He was not. The God Moses was allowed to get a glimpse of as a true GOD BEING was the One born as Jesus.

It really is a point that needs to be well understood.
The Being born as Jesus was the One who created the universe and everything you hold near and dear. Once you understand that, a lit falls into place.

Jesus created all things by Gods direction, he said in John 6:57 that he lives BECAUSE of the Father; that cannot be said of the Father, he lives because of no one. And when Jesus did all that creating , he did NOT do it of his own will, in John 8:28 he taught that he does NOTHING on his own , but only what the Father wills.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Jesus said in John 6:57 that he lives because of the Father; that cannot be said of the Father himself , he lives because of no one.

Jesus always acknowledged the Father is greater than He, but He told you HE (Jesus) is the Way and...

NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.

 

[Mickiel]

Jesus said in John 6:57 that he lives because of the Father; that cannot be said of the Father himself , he lives because of no one.

Jesus always acknowledged the Father is greater than He, but He told you HE (Jesus) is the Way and...

NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME.

Jesus also said no man can come to him except the Father draw them first.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Yes. So has the Father drawn you to Jesus? Do you accept Him in EVERYTHING. Do you accept Him as your Lord and Savior?

 

[Mickiel]

Yes. So has the Father drawn you to Jesus? Do you accept Him in EVERYTHING. Do you accept Him as your Lord and Savior?

In my belief , salvation has nothing to do with human acceptance ,its the future of all of humanity whether they accept it or not. Its our free destiny; its the unstoppable will of God. There is no choice in the matter. There are no choices with God , you just do as he wills , it will be what he wants; that is the real God ; its how it really is in heaven.

 

[Divine Wind]

That's not for you to JUDGE. You need only worry whether YOU are.

Correct. Now try saying that into a mirror.

 

[Divine Wind]

Isn't it funny it's always the ones who jump all over other people for daring to judge who are the most judgmental of all?

You forgot to call me a name when you backstabbed.

 

[Clement]

You seem to have a lot on the ball but whoever put this graphic together is full of it. Take the Catholics, the Anglicans, the Baptists, the AG's, etc. and tell me which ones do not believe in the ancient creeds of the Church, and by that I mean the Baptismal vow known as the Apostle's creed. They all believe in it except for the non-Trinitarians. The Church is not divided.

And by the way, Athanasius was not a "white guy".

The fact remains there were several Christian beliefs about Jesus of Nazareth for the three centuries after the Crucifixion. Particularly about his level of divinity. The Trinity group won out, mostly by eliminating the competition.

Number one, the Trinity group did NOT "eliminate the competition". What they did was make a convincing case, or perhaps you have not heard of Irenaeus, Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius, most of whom predate Nicea?

 

[Divine Wind]

Number one, the Trinity group did NOT "eliminate the competition". What they did was make a convincing case, or perhaps you have not heard of Irenaeus, Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius, most of whom predate Nicea?

Disagreed. They declared those who didn't accept the Church view as being heretics and blasphemers. What was the penalty for these crimes in those days? Hint: What happened to Joan of Arc?

What about "Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius"? Don't you know that ideas floated around long before being canonized as official doctrine? Who and why did a church official turn Mary Magdalene into a whore?

 

[Mickiel]

You seem to have a lot on the ball but whoever put this graphic together is full of it. Take the Catholics, the Anglicans, the Baptists, the AG's, etc. and tell me which ones do not believe in the ancient creeds of the Church, and by that I mean the Baptismal vow known as the Apostle's creed. They all believe in it except for the non-Trinitarians. The Church is not divided.

And by the way, Athanasius was not a "white guy".

The fact remains there were several Christian beliefs about Jesus of Nazareth for the three centuries after the Crucifixion. Particularly about his level of divinity. The Trinity group won out, mostly by eliminating the competition.

Number one, the Trinity group did NOT "eliminate the competition". What they did was make a convincing case, or perhaps you have not heard of Irenaeus, Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius, most of whom predate Nicea?

They did not use the bible to make that case , because the trinity is nowhere in the bible. Its a doctrine created by Christianity.

 

[Clement]

Number one, the Trinity group did NOT "eliminate the competition". What they did was make a convincing case, or perhaps you have not heard of Irenaeus, Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius, most of whom predate Nicea?

Disagreed. They declared those who didn't accept the Church view as being heretics and blasphemers. What was the penalty for these crimes in those days? Hint: What happened to Joan of Arc?

What about "Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius"? Don't you know that ideas floated around long before being canonized as official doctrine? Who and why did a church official turn Mary Magdalene into a whore?

The penalty was excommunication, as Arius eventually eventually was, although when he came back the Church took him back. Where do you get your history from?

Joan of Arc and the Nicene council are separated by 1300 years of history, get your facts straight. And trinitarian theology was "floating around" because the apostles floated it. But the heretics existed even then. You know, just because someone believes something other than orthodoxy, that doesn't make it valid.

 

[Mickiel]

Number one, the Trinity group did NOT "eliminate the competition". What they did was make a convincing case, or perhaps you have not heard of Irenaeus, Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius, most of whom predate Nicea?

Disagreed. They declared those who didn't accept the Church view as being heretics and blasphemers. What was the penalty for these crimes in those days? Hint: What happened to Joan of Arc?

What about "Clement, Anthony, and Ignatius"? Don't you know that ideas floated around long before being canonized as official doctrine? Who and why did a church official turn Mary Magdalene into a whore?

The penalty was excommunication, as Arius eventually eventually was, although when he came back the Church took him back. Where do you get your history from?

Joan of Arc and the Nicene council are separated by 1300 years of history, get your facts straight. And trinitarian theology was "floating around" because the apostles floated it. But the heretics existed even then. You know, just because someone believes something other than orthodoxy, that doesn't make it valid.

The term Trinity is not even in the bible period! It exist only in the Christian mindset.

 

[Divine Wind]

The penalty was excommunication, as Arius eventually eventually was, although when he came back the Church took him back. Where do you get your history from?

Joan of Arc and the Nicene council are separated by 1300 years of history, get your facts straight. And trinitarian theology was "floating around" because the apostles floated it. But the heretics existed even then. You know, just because someone believes something other than orthodoxy, that doesn't make it valid.

An excellent dance. Obviously you're not a Baptist.

So, according to you, the Catholics never burned, killed or otherwise harmed anyone who didn't toe Papist line. So where did you learn your history? At Catechism?