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Good summary Goldcatt. A narrowly defined opinion is very important in my...you know...opinion. I suspect it may take another case down the road to further define what this case may render in a decision.
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I think an SC ruling on where speech becomes harassment might be helpful though. I dunno. It's a very, very hard one. I don't want free speech curtailed, but I also loathe the actions of these guys.... and those that harass women going into abortion clinics. There are better ways to speak your mind than to scream like banshees at ordinary people going about their private business.
If it goes to retrial look for Snyder v Phelps II coming October 2012 in a Court near you.
If it goes to retrial look for Snyder v Phelps II coming October 2012 in a Court near you.
If it does, I think this thread will eliminate me from jury duty.
If it goes to retrial look for Snyder v Phelps II coming October 2012 in a Court near you.
If it does, I think this thread will eliminate me from jury duty.
Good job! I mean, I feel so bad for you.
If it does, I think this thread will eliminate me from jury duty.
Good job! I mean, I feel so bad for you.
Got a back up plan. A send them to their maker lapel pin.
I have some good friends that ride with the Patriot Guard Riders. At age 56, the more I think about it and the madder I get, to hell with the SC rulings.
Baseball bat to the head of a WBC protestor would make me feel better.
I have some good friends that ride with the Patriot Guard Riders. At age 56, the more I think about it and the madder I get, to hell with the SC rulings.
Baseball bat to the head of a WBC protestor would make me feel better.
I've shown up to counter protest at a few funerals myself, I understand the feeling. And if the case were different, if it were about their actual conduct at the funeral and getting in the family's face, I'd be on your side completely. Maybe it's the lawyer side of me taking over and reminding me to step back and look at this objectively, without regard for the parties involved. Because that's how whatever comes out will be applied in the future....objectively and without regard for the parties involved. Yes, they have to decide the case in front of them, but it will be applied as precedent to all kinds of situations.
If the facts were different then it would be so easy to say I want those bastards to pay and feel justified in doing so. But they're not, and you have to take the case you get.
I have some good friends that ride with the Patriot Guard Riders. At age 56, the more I think about it and the madder I get, to hell with the SC rulings.
Baseball bat to the head of a WBC protestor would make me feel better.
I've shown up to counter protest at a few funerals myself, I understand the feeling. And if the case were different, if it were about their actual conduct at the funeral and getting in the family's face, I'd be on your side completely. Maybe it's the lawyer side of me taking over and reminding me to step back and look at this objectively, without regard for the parties involved. Because that's how whatever comes out will be applied in the future....objectively and without regard for the parties involved. Yes, they have to decide the case in front of them, but it will be applied as precedent to all kinds of situations.
If the facts were different then it would be so easy to say I want those bastards to pay and feel justified in doing so. But they're not, and you have to take the case you get.
My Irish temper is in check, somewhat. I was there when my brother came back from Nam in 1968 after THREE tours and the community acted like he wasn't there, saw the hooray parades for Gulf War I which was great to see but made me even madder because of what my brother went through and now this bunch of clowns. Keep in mind also that I despise all religous kooks.
I quit riding years ago otherwise I would be there with them. Heard some true stories but when asked publicly I go to my Sgt. Schultz routine.
WBC is getting sued by a grieving parent. What the fuck law or act (of Congress or of a state) is even implicated?
Freedom of speech has never been understood to restrict the ability of people to sue other people for things like libel and slander. It cannot be properly understood in that way, in fact. Only the so-called "1st Amendment 'absolutists'" think in such ridiculous terms.
So if a citizen can sue another citizen over something said or written, then why can't a citizen sue another citizen for the intentional infliction of emotional injury caused by the outrageous CONDUCT of the party getting sued? If the plaintiff succeeds in the lawsuit at the SCOTUS level, there will have been ZERO violation of the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech.
The fucking scumbags of WBC will merely have had their depraved, disgusting and outrageous behavior properly called into account. They remain perfectly free to express their idiotic beliefs either way.
Fuck them. God hates them. I know. HE told me so.
How much free speech will anyone have if someone can sue anytime they are offended?
You can do that now but a jury will not allow damages unless the case is strong.
As this one is because we have a grieving family and the chyrch actions are outrageous and not the norm of just "offending" someone.
I think an SC ruling on where speech becomes harassment might be helpful though. I dunno. It's a very, very hard one. I don't want free speech curtailed, but I also loathe the actions of these guys.... and those that harass women going into abortion clinics. There are better ways to speak your mind than to scream like banshees at ordinary people going about their private business.
You are right. There may be better ways, but these scum bags won't get the same attention, by using them. I guess it will be up to the victims to start designing ways to have privacy, without an arena for the scum of the earth......
I've shown up to counter protest at a few funerals myself, I understand the feeling. And if the case were different, if it were about their actual conduct at the funeral and getting in the family's face, I'd be on your side completely. Maybe it's the lawyer side of me taking over and reminding me to step back and look at this objectively, without regard for the parties involved. Because that's how whatever comes out will be applied in the future....objectively and without regard for the parties involved. Yes, they have to decide the case in front of them, but it will be applied as precedent to all kinds of situations.
If the facts were different then it would be so easy to say I want those bastards to pay and feel justified in doing so. But they're not, and you have to take the case you get.
My Irish temper is in check, somewhat. I was there when my brother came back from Nam in 1968 after THREE tours and the community acted like he wasn't there, saw the hooray parades for Gulf War I which was great to see but made me even madder because of what my brother went through and now this bunch of clowns. Keep in mind also that I despise all religous kooks.
I quit riding years ago otherwise I would be there with them. Heard some true stories but when asked publicly I go to my Sgt. Schultz routine.
Been to two where they showed up, one where they said they were coming but didn't. I'm a firm believer in nonviolence myself, but I hear nothing, I see nothing, I know nothing.