Why was Clinton (and still is) hated so much?

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    Not long ago I heard Al Rantel (talk radio) say that when Clinton was in power it was the darkest time in American history. Unfortunately, he did not explain why. Ever since I’ve been wondering why Clinton was (and still is) hated so much.

    At the time that Clinton was the president I was not following politics much. I was occupied with school and working full-time. Whatever he may have done did not affect my life one way or another. So, I am still in dark as to what he did to earn such ire of the American people besides the scandals we all know. I am well aware of the Lewinsky scandal and lying under oath so please don’t point that out. Nor do I want to hear any conspiracy theories of Hillary having killed someone or something to that effect. I recall something about a Whitewater(?) scandal but I think that nothing came out of the investigation (or am I wrong?). Then there was something about a health plan proposed by Hillary. What was it that was so terrible about the health care plan? Was it harmful to people? Sorry, I really don’t know anything about it except that it was a failure. Other than those examples I cannot come up with anything else … once again because I was not following politics at the time. Surely there must be many more things. Please, enlighten me.

    I am asking for FACTS. What horrible things did he do when he was in the office 1990 - 1998 that are known to be true (please stay in this time period)? Please, no rumors, conspiracy theories, opinions, theories, or the blowjob scandal.
     
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    For all I know and remember, my life went on as usual when Clinton was in office. For instance, the terrorist attacks abroad and the world trade center in New York in 1993, as posted in the first reply, did not have any direct impact on my life at the end of the day at that time. That may sound terrible .. sorry, I cannot put it in other words. My sincere apologies.

    How did Clinton being in office affect your life, Sir Evil? Please, give examples. I really, REALLY would like to be enlightened as to how Clinton being in office affected lives of Americans in general. What was the negative impact?
     
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    I got it. You have a very valid point. Thank you. I am well aware that when it comes to terrorism it is an ongoing thing and it is not as simple as blaming it on just one particular administration (as with war on drugs, problems with public school education etc). So, beyond 9-11, what I wanted you to clarify more was when Clinton was in power from 1990 - 1998 how did it affect your life then?
     
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    I think some people use the word hate a little too strongly. I had a lot of the ususal disagreements with Clinton's policies,but I am a Republican,so that would be no surprise. He did do the welfare reform and I thought that was good. He seems very charming ,and at the same time,way too cunning. The things he has put his wife through are a sign of not many morals,and I believe we need good moral leadership in this country. My biggest beef with Clinton though is that he diidn't really do anything of major importance while in office,yet walks around acting like he was the pres of the century. I feel like he left to many things alone,just to keep the peace...i.e. terrorism. He should have done more. I think his economy was a result of Reagans economy plans,yet he gets credit. Personally I obviously do not know him,so I can't say I hate him,but disagree with him on quite a bit. I think his "I wish I would have inhaled" stuff ticked a lot of people including myself off. I feel like it was a bad thing for a President to say,beinf that a lot of young people heard this.On the other hand,I have heard him stick up for Bush on occasion and I though that was descent of him considering some of the drooling and spitting the Dems and Hollywood do at Bush. In the end,I didn't vote for him and probably never would,but I don't feel hate the was Hollywood feels hate for Bush.
     
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    Your parameters for how Clinton impacted anyone's life are completely subjective. By eliminating certain "categories" and saying that people dying elsewhere [but that you didn't die] doesn't affect your life are shaping the world in ways in which it doesn't exist. I'm impressed by your ability not to care about the population of the earth you inhabit.

    Clinton's performance, while in office, has a direct affect on my life- then and now still. Every single day that goes by since the day he was elected will have ramifications. You are fortunate that you didn't get hurt in terrorist attacks and for that have the right to be thankful (or ignorant, as this case may be). I am not so fortunate...1993 or 2001.

    However, Clinton's legacy will be one of inaction, supplication and focus on his own needs/wants rather than protecting a country. His economic policies directly affect my life everyday as I watch, more and more, my money being spent on stupid, irrational things and on useless, undeserving people.

    The answer to your question of why he is so hated is that I doubt he's "hated". As krissy so eloquently said, people that I don't know, I can't hate. However, he was a bad president, a bad husband and father and a bad person. His legacy is one of shame, stupidity and the above-referenced political failures.
     
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    Facts, you want facts? Here goes:

    Bubba ran on a huge middle class tax cut in 1992 but after being elected he burdened the middle class with the single biggest tax raise in American history making the average American have to theoretically work until April to just pay what the federal government steals from them...that affected you.

    Bubba initiated and participated in the largest feral land grab in American history in order to perpetuate the myth of him being the environmental president, he essentally made billions of acres of land across this country off limits to all sorts of practices from logging, ranching and to hunting etc. etc....that affected you.

    He undermined the office of POTUS by continually engaging in willfully deceitful behavior on a myriad of fronts and then using the federal government and loopholes to do his stonewalling for him. He brought about an air of divisiveness in America not seen since the 1860's with his anything for power mantra. All this resulted in a completely untrusting and wholly cynical press, the like of which we see today.....this affects you.

    Terrorism.....you've been presented with the facts but deny thet affect you....this affects you.

    Face it we are paying for Bubba's fuckups today economically, politically and internationally....that affects you.
     
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    I don't hate Clinton. I despise him and hold him in contempt. Most liberals would dismiss my reasons for feeling as I do as being petty. To put my opinion about Clinton in a one-liner, he had no respect for his country and no respect for the office of President of the United States. Clinton viewed the presidency as a private playpen in which to indulge himself and his freshman antics damaged the dignity of the office of the leader of the free world.

    His escapade with Lewinski is merely a minor episode in his rampant disregard for the dignity of his office. Time and again he damaged the presidency with juvenile, irresponsible and sometimes criminal behavior. He sold overnight stays in the White House for campaign contributions. That practice became so common that he should have installed a motel "vacancy / no vacancy" sign on the front lawn. He engaged in highly questionable fund raising activities involving the Chinese. Personally, I believe he is responsible for selling nuclear secrets to the Chinese in exchange for campaign money. He allowed his shrewish wife to run amok with her socialist agenda. He, his wife and his staff treated four star generals with contempt and disdain. Whenever he was taken to task regarding improper actions such as the travel office scandal, he merely tossed off criticism with the phrase "mistakes were made" and that was the end of it. Bill Clinton arrogantly flaunted his disrespect because he knew that the drooling, glassy-eyed zealots who comprise his voter base would never call him to account.

    His indiscreet conduct made us the laughing stock of the world. During the Fasching festival in Germany, a float depicting Clinton standing behind the Statue of Liberty fondling her breasts, was a big hit. The world was laughing at us.

    But worse than his freshman conduct was his criminally irresponsible refusal to take appropriate action to defend this country when attacked. The extensive list of his negligence has been published numerous times in this forum and for the sake of brevity I will not belabor the specifics again. Whenever we suffered casualties, Clinton's only response was to posture foolishly, state that those responsible would be punished, and then do absolutely NOTHING.

    When Clinton finally left office, we lived in a country which the world neither feared nor respected. Our allies did not trust us and our enemies were emboldened by our failure to act. The attacks on 9-11 are a direct result of those attitudes. The continuing threat we face today is also symptomatic of Clinton's lack of resolve in defending this country. Pres. Bush is faced with the daunting task of dealing with the consequences of the era of irresponsibility which liberals sponsored and in which Clinton reveled.

    And yet you claim that Clinton's policies did not affect your life. Every day we must be on alert against more terrorist attacks. The expense of that vigilance will be borne by taxpayers - and it will not be cheap. It is likely that we will be attacked again. If that happens, how many more of our countrymen will die? Does that not affect you? The attacks on 9-11 were a major factor in our subsequent economic woes. Those who lost jobs and life savings were certainly affected by the events directly linked to Clinton's ineffectual leadership. Every time we go to an airport we must submit to searches and endure long delays. Every time we board a train, we have to wonder if the trip will end routinely or in a mass of blood and twisted metal. Every time we travel abroad, we have to wonder if we will return home alive. And every day a soldier dies in a war that was totally preventable had Clinton posessed the will or the backbone to take effective punitive measures against the numerous terrorist attacks perpetrated during his eight years in office.

    You stated that Clinton's actions did not affect YOUR life. That is a liberal view. I say this because most liberals believe that they are the center of the universe and view everything through the filter of how events affect them personally. Liberals tend to view themselves individually as more important than the country as a whole. Liberals see the phrase "We, the people. . ." as "Me, the people". Because the liberal conceit places the individual at the apex of their priorities, they have no consideration of and no care for the consequences the nation suffers as a result of their "me first" attitude. So, unless you understand that the effect of Clinton's irresponsibility on you personally is unimportant in the broader context of how Clinton's behavior in office affected the United States of America, I wil have wasted many keystrokes. Because unless you can put your country first, you will be as blind as Susan Sarandon, Whoopi Goldberg, Ed Asner, the Dixie Chicks, Sandy Berger, Bill & Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.
     
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    Awesome replies on this thread!!! :clap:

    A co-worker of my husbands was here (from England) the night we were waiting for the results of the 2000 election. He told us that they really hated that Clinton was leaving office, he had been a great source of entertainment for them for 8 years. It was the first time I actually relized that other people in the world were paying attention to what happens here, I was so embarassed!!
     
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    I think we were all embarrassed. Wether you like the guy or not,I don't think anyone can defend the disregard of respect for the office. He made the President's job a joke. On top of that,people in Europe were laughing at us as well because they didn' think his sex life was that big of a deal. Now,keep in mind this was the French in particular I heard this on t.v. about,so nuff said. People come down on Bush so hard for the religeous talk,but I'm willing to bet that most people would rather their children hear that,than about that infamous stain on the blue dress.
     
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    I'm coming into this very well developed thread and just feel compelled to respond. My guess to some degree is that it will just echo OCA's reponse, but what the heck! I'm going to just add my two cents worth, (thanks Hgrokit) to the original post in a contrasting color.
     

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