Why United States is going to lose the War on Terror

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    As long as the United States is perceived by most of the people in the world as a nation of terror with its foreign and military policies. We are in a no win situation were we will win military battles while losing the war. The double standards in the application of our foreign and military policies have created more enemies than allies in the war on terror. Our financial and military support of the State of Israel is one of the clearest examples of this. It is the policies and actions of the United States and Israel that has divided the world, us verses them. Even in the nations whose governments support the United States war in Iraq the majority of people in these nations do not.

    The United States war in Iraq is seen as one of the greatest modern day military mistakes by most people in the world lowering the bar to a preemptive unilateral war of choice. Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us. If the people in the world were surveyed and the question whether Saddam or Bush was or is the biggest threat to global peace and security, Bush would win. As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

    By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became. It is the United States government?s track record in the support of tyrants such as the Shaw of Iran, Saddam, Marcos of the Philippines a list too long to mention that undermines our credibility with the people around the world.
     
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    That's it exactly. A perception. An ignorant perception. An ignorant perspective which belies an willful ignorance of history and a pathetic lack of gratitude. The truth is, most of the world owes us a debt for protecting them from either Nazi, or Communist tyranny. How easy it is to forget. How easy it is for politicians to pander to the base emotion of envy.
     
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    You are mistaken to think that France is the world. Two, the US was not what enabled Saddam to become the tyrant, go search which states armed Saddam.
     
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    Are you actually saying that before the 80's Saddam was not a tyrant? How then do you think he came to power? Read your history man, because this assertion is just painful. And how could simply helping someone turn them into a tyrant.
     
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    I'm not going to sit and pretend that the US hasn't made mistakes. We have. We will again. But the mistakes we've made are borne out of caring about the world and trying to do the right thing. Unlike, say, Quadaffi, Saddam, Pol Pot, Hitler, et al.

    So, if the world is going to vilify us for our mistakes made in an effort to help and protect the world, fine. At least they are alive to spew their stupidity.

    And for that I take my bow as a representative of Uncle Sam.
     
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    You have the same talking points as the rest of the liberal weinies that post on. Hate and blame America for all the ills in the world. Its not America that causes the problems you talk about its YOU and those like YOU. Why don't you move to france where you will be happy, or better still go sign on win bin laden he probably needs a new propagandist right now.
     
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    Kathianne- Please name the countries that 50% or more of the people support the United States war in Iraq beside the State of Israel. Here are a few nations that a greater number oppose the United States actions. Canada, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Egypt, Jordan, Russia, Indonesia, India, Turkey, Italy and of course France.
     
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    How many supported war with Germany before WWII?

    We have LEADERS because sometimes, somebody, has to do things that are UNPOPULAR. It DOES NOT make those actions wrong.
     
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    Your credibility around here is not only undermined it is below zero. You are a jackbooted slandering lier!
     
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    "A nation of terror"????????? That's an interesting concept. I can't seem to recall the current administration attacking any nation based solely on the fact that we don't like their religion and their lifestyle. Also, it seems that you personally interpreted the "world's" view of us as a terrorist nation. Obviously you're a Dimocrat and a Kerrymite. The only thing that you have proven with your irrational post is that there is no shortage of appeasers and cowards in the world today.
    A military mistake. Hmmm - our guys went through them like shit through a liberal. It certainly wasn't a "military" mistake.

    And there you go again with that whine about "unilateral" action. My memory isn't as good as it once was, so perhaps you can help me out here - tell me, which nations, besides the United States were attacked on or about Sep 11? And isn't it true that we do in fact have some assistance from a number of other countries? But let's get to the bottome line, Clyde. Your cry for multilateral action is simply a smokescreen for your cowardice. You know damn well that had we gone through the UN nothing would have been done and THAT is your goal. You seek to hide your spinelessness in high sounding phrases. But you fail to grasp the fact that the only ones who believe this crap are those like you who would grovel at the feet of any petty dictator who cared to put his boot on your neck. You know what's really sad? It's the fact that, deep down, even you lily livered bootlickers realize that you're cowards, but you don't have the spine to admit even that much.

    Here's a concept for you - when we're attacked, we have every right to strike back whenever and wherever appropriate. Now I know that notion is abhorent to you gutless appeasers who snivel about "healing" and "understanding". It scares the living bejeezus out of you to think we have a president who may actually defend this nation. And seeing us actually standing up and doing something besides posturing and threatening probably makes you wet your pants.

    Ah, where is AJ when you need him? I'll leave this little morsel for him to chew on when he gets back.

    That's probably true - provided you're taking your poll in areas predominantly muslim or predominantly liberal, or predominantly stupid.

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    NO SHIT!!!!!!! Ya reckon????????? I'm surprised you got up the guts to make a declarative statement, even one as tepid as that. Did you have to fortify yourself first? :alco:

    Horseapples. Saddam's rise to power was totally without US support. We did aid him in his was against Iran. Personally, I thought that was a good strategy. If we could keep the muslims pissed at each other then they would have neither the time nor the inclination to blow up people and buildings here at home. Or perhaps you think that somehow we "deserve" to be "punished" by muslim nutbars? That wouldn't surprise me a bit.

    You know who first gave the nuts in the middle east the impression that we were a paper tiger? It was the king of appeasers, that watery-eyed, weak-kneed, spineless apologist Jimmy Carter. You know who finished us off in that department? Slick Willie Clinton, whose refusal to punish terrorist attacks on the US, our embassies, our military and our allies, emboldened Al Qaeda and allowed the Taliban to thrive.

    And now here you are - criticizing the only positive actions we have taken in a decade and extolling the virtues of the policies of craven cowardice championed by your party and by Carter, Clinton, Kerry (well, on again - off again), Kennedy and assorted Democrat freaks.

    Here's the only perception that I want people of the world to have in regard to the United States: We are a fair and peaceful nation. We promote freedom and democracy, but we do not seek to force it on anyone. But mess with us and you're going to get your sorry ass kicked.

    I know that really upsets folks like you who think that the path to world peace is simply to get everyone to like us. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. There is evil in the world. It is irrational (much like your thought processes), it is implacable, it is fomented by petty men and women who lust for power (much like the Clintons). When evil men or evil nations become aggressive, they must be confronted. Failure to do so would be catastrophic. Not only that, it would turn us all into spineless ass-kissing toadies like you.

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