Why United States is going to lose the War on Terror

[David2004]

As long as the United States is perceived by most of the people in the world as a nation of terror with its foreign and military policies. We are in a no win situation were we will win military battles while losing the war. The double standards in the application of our foreign and military policies have created more enemies than allies in the war on terror. Our financial and military support of the State of Israel is one of the clearest examples of this. It is the policies and actions of the United States and Israel that has divided the world, us verses them. Even in the nations whose governments support the United States war in Iraq the majority of people in these nations do not.

The United States war in Iraq is seen as one of the greatest modern day military mistakes by most people in the world lowering the bar to a preemptive unilateral war of choice. Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us. If the people in the world were surveyed and the question whether Saddam or Bush was or is the biggest threat to global peace and security, Bush would win. As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became. It is the United States government?s track record in the support of tyrants such as the Shaw of Iran, Saddam, Marcos of the Philippines a list too long to mention that undermines our credibility with the people around the world.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

That's it exactly. A perception. An ignorant perception. An ignorant perspective which belies an willful ignorance of history and a pathetic lack of gratitude. The truth is, most of the world owes us a debt for protecting them from either Nazi, or Communist tyranny. How easy it is to forget. How easy it is for politicians to pander to the base emotion of envy.

 

[Annie]

As long as the United States is perceived by most of the people in the world as a nation of terror with its foreign and military policies. We are in a no win situation were we will win military battles while losing the war. The double standards in the application of our foreign and military policies have created more enemies than allies in the war on terror. Our financial and military support of the State of Israel is one of the clearest examples of this. It is the policies and actions of the United States and Israel that has divided the world, us verses them. Even in the nations whose governments support the United States war in Iraq the majority of people in these nations do not.

The United States war in Iraq is seen as one of the greatest modern day military mistakes by most people in the world lowering the bar to a preemptive unilateral war of choice. Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us. If the people in the world were surveyed and the question whether Saddam or Bush was or is the biggest threat to global peace and security, Bush would win. As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became. It is the United States government?s track record in the support of tyrants such as the Shaw of Iran, Saddam, Marcos of the Philippines a list too long to mention that undermines our credibility with the people around the world.

You are mistaken to think that France is the world. Two, the US was not what enabled Saddam to become the tyrant, go search which states armed Saddam.

 

[Yurt]

By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became. It is the United States government?s track record in the support of tyrants such as the Shaw of Iran, Saddam, Marcos of the Philippines a list too long to mention that undermines our credibility with the people around the world.

Are you actually saying that before the 80's Saddam was not a tyrant? How then do you think he came to power? Read your history man, because this assertion is just painful. And how could simply helping someone turn them into a tyrant.

 

[Moi]

I'm not going to sit and pretend that the US hasn't made mistakes. We have. We will again. But the mistakes we've made are borne out of caring about the world and trying to do the right thing. Unlike, say, Quadaffi, Saddam, Pol Pot, Hitler, et al.

So, if the world is going to vilify us for our mistakes made in an effort to help and protect the world, fine. At least they are alive to spew their stupidity.

And for that I take my bow as a representative of Uncle Sam.

 

[gaffer]

As long as the United States is perceived by most of the people in the world as a nation of terror with its foreign and military policies. We are in a no win situation were we will win military battles while losing the war. The double standards in the application of our foreign and military policies have created more enemies than allies in the war on terror. Our financial and military support of the State of Israel is one of the clearest examples of this. It is the policies and actions of the United States and Israel that has divided the world, us verses them. Even in the nations whose governments support the United States war in Iraq the majority of people in these nations do not.

The United States war in Iraq is seen as one of the greatest modern day military mistakes by most people in the world lowering the bar to a preemptive unilateral war of choice. Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us. If the people in the world were surveyed and the question whether Saddam or Bush was or is the biggest threat to global peace and security, Bush would win. As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became. It is the United States government?s track record in the support of tyrants such as the Shaw of Iran, Saddam, Marcos of the Philippines a list too long to mention that undermines our credibility with the people around the world.

You have the same talking points as the rest of the liberal weinies that post on. Hate and blame America for all the ills in the world. Its not America that causes the problems you talk about its YOU and those like YOU. Why don't you move to france where you will be happy, or better still go sign on win bin laden he probably needs a new propagandist right now.

 

[David2004]

Kathianne- Please name the countries that 50% or more of the people support the United States war in Iraq beside the State of Israel. Here are a few nations that a greater number oppose the United States actions. Canada, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Egypt, Jordan, Russia, Indonesia, India, Turkey, Italy and of course France.

 

[freeandfun1]

Kathleen- Please name the countries that 50% or more of the people support the United States war in Iraq beside the State of Israel. Here are a few nations that a greater number oppose the United States actions. Canada, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Egypt, Jordan, Russia, Indonesia, India, Turkey, Italy and of course France.

How many supported war with Germany before WWII?

We have LEADERS because sometimes, somebody, has to do things that are UNPOPULAR. It DOES NOT make those actions wrong.

 

[Tom E]

As long as the United States is perceived by most of the people in the world as a nation of terror with its foreign and military policies.

Provide some proof for your acusation, other wise say it is your opinion.

We are in a no win situation were we will win military battles while losing the war.

No David we won the war, Sadam lost! Sorry to tell you
this. We have been in bagdad for almost a year!

The double standards in the application of our foreign and military policies have created more enemies than allies in the war on terror. Our financial and military support of the State of Israel is one of the clearest examples of this.


It is the policies and actions of the United States and Israel that has divided the world, us verses them. Even in the nations whose governments support the United States war in Iraq the majority of people in these nations do not.

Now you get to the point it is us ie The Jews of Isreal and the Jews of the US against everyone else! Whom heard that talk b4 have you been hanging around the beer hall in Munich again?

The United States war in Iraq is seen as one of the greatest modern day military mistakes by most people in the world lowering the bar to a preemptive unilateral war of choice. Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us.

Lie, your brain dead

If the people in the world were surveyed and the question whether Saddam or Bush was or is the biggest threat to global peace and security, Bush would win. As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

Another lie your past brain dead

By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became.

Another lie 3 lies your out

It is the United States government?s track record in the support of tyrants such as the Shaw of Iran, Saddam, Marcos of the Philippines a list too long to mention that undermines our credibility with the people around the world.

Your credibility around here is not only undermined it is below zero. You are a jackbooted slandering lier!

 

[Merlin1047]

As long as the United States is perceived by most of the people in the world as a nation of terror with its foreign and military policies. We are in a no win situation were we will win military battles while losing the war.

"A nation of terror"????????? That's an interesting concept. I can't seem to recall the current administration attacking any nation based solely on the fact that we don't like their religion and their lifestyle. Also, it seems that you personally interpreted the "world's" view of us as a terrorist nation. Obviously you're a Dimocrat and a Kerrymite. The only thing that you have proven with your irrational post is that there is no shortage of appeasers and cowards in the world today.

The United States war in Iraq is seen as one of the greatest modern day military mistakes by most people in the world lowering the bar to a preemptive unilateral war of choice. Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us.

A military mistake. Hmmm - our guys went through them like shit through a liberal. It certainly wasn't a "military" mistake.

And there you go again with that whine about "unilateral" action. My memory isn't as good as it once was, so perhaps you can help me out here - tell me, which nations, besides the United States were attacked on or about Sep 11? And isn't it true that we do in fact have some assistance from a number of other countries? But let's get to the bottome line, Clyde. Your cry for multilateral action is simply a smokescreen for your cowardice. You know damn well that had we gone through the UN nothing would have been done and THAT is your goal. You seek to hide your spinelessness in high sounding phrases. But you fail to grasp the fact that the only ones who believe this crap are those like you who would grovel at the feet of any petty dictator who cared to put his boot on your neck. You know what's really sad? It's the fact that, deep down, even you lily livered bootlickers realize that you're cowards, but you don't have the spine to admit even that much.

Here's a concept for you - when we're attacked, we have every right to strike back whenever and wherever appropriate. Now I know that notion is abhorent to you gutless appeasers who snivel about "healing" and "understanding". It scares the living bejeezus out of you to think we have a president who may actually defend this nation. And seeing us actually standing up and doing something besides posturing and threatening probably makes you wet your pants.

Between the military actions of the United States and the State of Israel the rest of people in the world are united like never before against us.

Ah, where is AJ when you need him? I'll leave this little morsel for him to chew on when he gets back.

If the people in the world were surveyed and the question whether Saddam or Bush was or is the biggest threat to global peace and security, Bush would win. As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

That's probably true - provided you're taking your poll in areas predominantly muslim or predominantly liberal, or predominantly stupid.

By no means was Saddam a good leader of Iraq

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
NO SHIT!!!!!!! Ya reckon????????? I'm surprised you got up the guts to make a declarative statement, even one as tepid as that. Did you have to fortify yourself first? :alco:

but it was the United States policies and support of Saddam during his worst years that enabled him to become the tyrant he became.

Horseapples. Saddam's rise to power was totally without US support. We did aid him in his was against Iran. Personally, I thought that was a good strategy. If we could keep the muslims pissed at each other then they would have neither the time nor the inclination to blow up people and buildings here at home. Or perhaps you think that somehow we "deserve" to be "punished" by muslim nutbars? That wouldn't surprise me a bit.

You know who first gave the nuts in the middle east the impression that we were a paper tiger? It was the king of appeasers, that watery-eyed, weak-kneed, spineless apologist Jimmy Carter. You know who finished us off in that department? Slick Willie Clinton, whose refusal to punish terrorist attacks on the US, our embassies, our military and our allies, emboldened Al Qaeda and allowed the Taliban to thrive.

And now here you are - criticizing the only positive actions we have taken in a decade and extolling the virtues of the policies of craven cowardice championed by your party and by Carter, Clinton, Kerry (well, on again - off again), Kennedy and assorted Democrat freaks.

As long as the American people deny the realities to the perception of the rest of the people around the world things in America will only get worst.

Here's the only perception that I want people of the world to have in regard to the United States: We are a fair and peaceful nation. We promote freedom and democracy, but we do not seek to force it on anyone. But mess with us and you're going to get your sorry ass kicked.

I know that really upsets folks like you who think that the path to world peace is simply to get everyone to like us. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. There is evil in the world. It is irrational (much like your thought processes), it is implacable, it is fomented by petty men and women who lust for power (much like the Clintons). When evil men or evil nations become aggressive, they must be confronted. Failure to do so would be catastrophic. Not only that, it would turn us all into spineless ass-kissing toadies like you.

 

[David2004]

There is no one page simple answers to the problems we face as a nation in our War on Terror. As are the problems so too are the answers inter-connected. First we need a major campaign and election reform to get new political leaders in America. Then we need to reform many of our domestic and foreign policies in America at the same time. With new leadership in American we must redefine our priorities and mission to represent what is in the best interest of the American people and our allies. For this on the international level we must become a team player with the international community of nations.

Understanding that the world is so diverse and complex for any one nation to dictate and rule unilaterally. We must work on a universal platform with other nations and be willing to compromise our position for what is in the best interest of the international community of nations at large. No one nation can take military actions against another nation unless attacked by that nation without the support of the international community of nations. The United States must strengthen its diplomacy role with other nations while decreasing its military hardware sales to other nations. A stronger role in settling difference between nations must taken by multilateral organizations such as the United Nations, European Union, Organization of American States, League of Arab Nations.

Only by the United States becoming a stronger team player with other nations in the world will we have peace and security here in America and in the world. The multilateral organizations will become stronger with the unconditional support of the United States making the world a safer place for everyone everywhere. Only by the United States addressing its problem at home can we help those nations abroad. What is fair and acceptable for one side should be for the other side as well.

 

[fubar]

O, thats great. maybe we should let the Chinese Communists run the world.
You Sir, are an idiot.

 

[Avatar4321]

David's posts show his ignorance in what we are doing with this war on terror.

First, we are destroying the regimes that support terror. By doing this we are severely breaking up their supply lines. without Tyrannical regimes supporting terrorism it will be harder for them to attack us. and they deffinately will have less chance of obtaining WMDs to attack us with.

Second, by liberating the people in the middle east and allowing them to govern themselves rather than have dictators govern them, we helping the people, for which they will be grateful, we are eliminating the government controled propaganda against us, we are allowing free ideas enter into their world and we are also thus eliminating the influence terrorists will have brainwashing them.

We will never have a world thats at peace till we have a world that is free.

 

[Hobbit]

There is no one page simple answers to the problems we face as a nation in our War on Terror. As are the problems so too are the answers inter-connected. First we need a major campaign and election reform to get new political leaders in America. Then we need to reform many of our domestic and foreign policies in America at the same time. With new leadership in American we must redefine our priorities and mission to represent what is in the best interest of the American people and our allies. For this on the international level we must become a team player with the international community of nations.

Understanding that the world is so diverse and complex for any one nation to dictate and rule unilaterally. We must work on a universal platform with other nations and be willing to compromise our position for what is in the best interest of the international community of nations at large. No one nation can take military actions against another nation unless attacked by that nation without the support of the international community of nations. The United States must strengthen its diplomacy role with other nations while decreasing its military hardware sales to other nations. A stronger role in settling difference between nations must taken by multilateral organizations such as the United Nations, European Union, Organization of American States, League of Arab Nations.

Only by the United States becoming a stronger team player with other nations in the world will we have peace and security here in America and in the world. The multilateral organizations will become stronger with the unconditional support of the United States making the world a safer place for everyone everywhere. Only by the United States addressing its problem at home can we help those nations abroad. What is fair and acceptable for one side should be for the other side as well.

For all those Dilbert fans out there...BINGO!

 

[Tom E]

There is no one page simple answers to the problems we face as a nation in our War on Terror. As are the problems so too are the answers inter-connected. First we need a major campaign and election reform to get new political leaders in America.

No you want election reform and new political leaders that you agree with not the rest of America, Lets face it you want dictatorship for people with the same beleifs as you

Then we need to reform many of our domestic and foreign policies in America at the same time. With new leadership in American we must redefine our priorities and mission to represent what is in the best interest of the American people and our allies.

How, you just say it must change well change how?

For this on the international level we must become a team player with the international community of nations.

Become a team player - we are the Micheal Jorden on the team,

Understanding that the world is so diverse and complex for any one nation to dictate and rule unilaterally. We must work on a universal platform with other nations and be willing to compromise our position for what is in the best interest of the international community of nations at large. No one nation can take military actions against another nation unless attacked by that nation without the support of the international community of nations. The United States must strengthen its diplomacy role with other nations while decreasing its military hardware sales to other nations. A stronger role in settling difference between nations must taken by multilateral organizations such as the United Nations, European Union, Organization of American States, League of Arab Nations.

Only by the United States becoming a stronger team player with other nations in the world will we have peace and security here in America and in the world. The multilateral organizations will become stronger with the unconditional support of the United States making the world a safer place for everyone everywhere. Only by the United States addressing its problem at home can we help those nations abroad. What is fair and acceptable for one side should be for the other side as well.

David after reading you crap and realizing that you did not respond to any of the last posts. I am assuming you are not a poster here for debate but just posting garbage straight from the DNC.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Look out, everybody! Tom E's breaking out the red ink. This is serious!

 

[popefumanchu]

The United States has won and will win every war in which it is engaged in, so long as the cause is just and the people believe in it. It is just to destroy murderers and the American people know this.

Waiting for consensus only aids evil. Victory can only be acieved by acting according to what is right, whether alone or with others who are so resolved.

We are the moral paragon of the world, we will fight evil, it is our duty to show the light of freedom to all those who live in the shadow of oppression.

There can be peace only through victory.

Wizards eighth rule: "Deserve victory"

 

[nakedemperor]

The United States has won and will win every war in which it is engaged in

Is Vietnam still a 'conflict' and not a war?

 

[Avatar4321]

Is Vietnam still a 'conflict' and not a war?

I take it you still havent taken that hooked on phonics course or you would have been able to finish reading what he wrote.

The United States has won and will win every war in which it is engaged in, so long as the cause is just and the people believe in it.

 

[wade]

I take it you still havent taken that hooked on phonics course or you would have been able to finish reading what he wrote.

But these decisions are made after the fact. And the cause does not need to be just, look at the Spanish-American war. We won, but our position was hardly just. We just wanted what the Spanish were too week to hold so we took it.

And what about the Indian wars? You going to try to say this was a "just" cause? Wars are won by power and commitment, right and wrong have little to do with it.

Wade.