Why the tea party movement is so frightening...

[rikules]

Everyday I see a knew article in the news or a new post here on USMB regarding the tea party, partiers, whatever. I have noticed something very strange.... I see very little positive threads started on them, and far too many negative ones. of all the negative ones I have seen, the most of them are decidedly left sided, and prone to exaggerations, misleading claims, and outright lies about what they are doing or represent....

Most of the time the threads about the tea party movement resort to calling the partiers ignorant hicks, uneducated, or racist hate-filled mobs of angry people all trying to intimidate or threaten. I wonder if this were true, why has there not been any arrests or riots yet? All we see or hear are these extreme claims and yet nothing regarding what was done about it.. What is there no Cops at these things? Are there no security or anti-tea partiers to at least give a counter argument? I mean if half the things we hear are true, why are they still walking around free? This leads me to believe there is far more propaganda than truth in these claims.

Also, I wonder if they really are so ignorant and uneducated, and their meetings so filled with mindless hate; why do they fear them so much? I mean in order to dedicate so much time to attack something one must have a good reason for it.. And the only good reason I can imagine must have some sort of fear involved... Fear of dissent, fear of racial hatred, fear of crazy uneducated folk with guns, fear of something... And if it is fear, why all the fear?

Indeed what is to fear in groups of so-called uneducated folk venting? They have guns? Well so do the cops and the cops will be legally in their right to shoot them if they become dangerous. The fear of racial hatred? Well then why don't we arrest all the KKK or white supremest groups? maybe the fear of spreading stupidity? Well if its so stupid why would it spread? According to the left media, it is so ignorant and only serves the side of hatred and only an idiot would follow it... So if we are not all idiots, and we can easily see how ignorant it is, why all the bother and press time?

Its simple really, I think Louis Farrakhan is an idiot and only morons would follow him, so I don't pay attention to him. Problem solved and no fear at all... Sure he has some followers, but I do not fear them because I know they are limited by laws and have at least enough sense to know what they can get away with. So why do the media and so many left leaning people dedicate so much of their time on them?

The answer to that is simple... The tea party movement represents something government and left minded governments fear the most... Free thought... All things start with a thought, and from that thought can grow more critical thinking and then questions arise. Questions that no one who isn't thinking freely will ever ask. Then those freethinkers will gather and exchange information and share knowledge, ask questions and get answers. This gathering and exchange will be free of the media spin and biased political party nonsense. And without that spin, real knowledge and critical thought will empower those people.

If left alone this movement will allow left, right and center minded people to exchange ideas and talk without the media enhanced left vs right haze, without the absolutism of placating and throw away political ideologies, and without someone telling them how bad their neighbor is.... Soon that neighbor will no longer be left or right, but simply a neighbor just like themselves with many of the same fears and concerns..

This is the fear to end all fears of any government drunk with power, and desiring nothing more than their own well being. Look throughout history and see what exactly what I am talking about. Before the media became so powerful a political tool; before Hitler and so many since. Look and you will find free thought started revolutions that lead to the greatest changes in the world.

Right now the left has power hear in this country. But watch and when the right has power, see how they change their stance on the tea party movement... They will vilify them and say they were okay before the lefty socialists took it over, and any other excuse or reason they can find. They will fear them just as the left does now, but right now they serve a purpose for them. So they applaud them quietly and condemn the extreme examples.

In my opinion, the tea party movement could be the foundations of the next big national change, or even world change. Sure some of the bad elements may try and move in on it, but they will not live long amongst free thinkers. Those types never do. They hide in the shadows and prey on the weak. And people desiring to exchange directly with each other rather than accepting what they are told by media or politicians are not weak..

Perhaps the next time any of you condemn this movement off hand, you will take a closer look and realize these are possibly the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins of this era....

for the past 20 years double digit IQ conservatives, speared on by the misinformation, fear tactics and lies of unscrupulous (or deranged) conservative spinmeisters (like limbaugh, savage, oreilly, beck, coulter, malkin etc) ANGRILY shouted
a. democrats are EVIL
b. republicans are GOOD!
c. America is a CHRISTIAN NATION
d. we are taking OUR country back!
e. there's another civil war coming!
f. we have guns and we are NOT afraid to use them on liberals and democrats!

and generally proclaiming that THEY were REPUBLICANS because they were the defenders of FREEDOM even though there were so MANY freedoms that really pissed them off;

gay marriage
gay rights
divorce
sex outside of marriage
pot smoking
atheism
evolution


in the last few years these simpleminded deranged loons finally realized that the republican party isn't any better than the democratic party

NOW they denounce the republican party
and they have gravitated to a new party...
the tea party
a party that is being spearheaded by right wing ultra conservative CHRISTIANS like...beck
and limbaugh

and they proclaim "we are the DEFENDERS of FREEDOM!"
even though there are still so many freedoms that really piss them off....

most tea baggers are simpleminded and angry dupes for the SHILLS who lie to them about being defenders of freedom while their REAL agenda is to make America a christian nation and finally do something about the things they REALLY hate...;

liberals
feminists
homosexuals
evolution
pot smokers
divorce
pre-marital sex

prominent tea baggers (like chuck norris) continue to say things like..."we are ANGRY....we are taking OUR COUNTRY BACK...by ANY MEANS NECESSARY...we have GUNS and we WILL USE THEM!...."

hardly the words of peaceful freedom lovers....

no doubt you are one of the ones easily duped by these nefarious liars....

not me.....

 

[gslack]

I will wait for someone who actually read the post and has a reasonable, thoughtful response....

The post isn't all that "reasonable and thoughtful". Just the fact that you bring up Louis Farrakhan proves that.

Why don't you mention or cite what I SAID ABOUT FARRAKHAN in the OP then?

I can tell you.... Because you saw the name and made an assumption based on it and the fact it didn't follow your party view on the subject....

I will point out what I said about him in the OP...

Its simple really, I think Louis Farrakhan is an idiot and only morons would follow him, so I don't pay attention to him. Problem solved and no fear at all... Sure he has some followers, but I do not fear them because I know they are limited by laws and have at least enough sense to know what they can get away with. So why do the media and so many left leaning people dedicate so much of their time on them?

See that? was I supporting him? No I said I thought he was an idiot....

Once again if you aren't going to bother reading the OP enough to understand it. And you aren't even going to read it enough to give at least a decent rebuttal based on what it does say instead of what you think it says, why are you even bothering to post in the thread?

I'm sorry its not streamlined to a sensational headline for you, or simplified to an absolute left or right mentality you can easily digest. It like life requires thought and thought based on what it actually says, not what you assume it will mean based on a headline or keywords....

if you guys are this fucking lazy that you cannot read something and base your arguments on what it actually says, than whatever government you get will be exactly what you deserve.

you are here to debate politics and things like it, yet many of you clearly only want to defend your party. Thats not debate, nor is it logical... Why fucking bother if you already made up your mind anyway? You came in and without reading the OP decided it was not with your party view therefore it must be for the other party view. WTF kind of close minded ignorance is that? Seriously...

That is the clearest example of my OP's assertions I could think of.. You don't know what it even said but you decided it was not along your party line so therefore must be the right party line. Get a taste of reality....

Turn off your TV, stop hanging around your preferred party media sites, and go out and talk to people whom may have a different view of things. Read things not party approved or agenda/party driven, get a dose of the real world before you vote next time..... if you don't god help you...

 

[gslack]

Everyday I see a knew article in the news or a new post here on USMB regarding the tea party, partiers, whatever. I have noticed something very strange.... I see very little positive threads started on them, and far too many negative ones. of all the negative ones I have seen, the most of them are decidedly left sided, and prone to exaggerations, misleading claims, and outright lies about what they are doing or represent....

Most of the time the threads about the tea party movement resort to calling the partiers ignorant hicks, uneducated, or racist hate-filled mobs of angry people all trying to intimidate or threaten. I wonder if this were true, why has there not been any arrests or riots yet? All we see or hear are these extreme claims and yet nothing regarding what was done about it.. What is there no Cops at these things? Are there no security or anti-tea partiers to at least give a counter argument? I mean if half the things we hear are true, why are they still walking around free? This leads me to believe there is far more propaganda than truth in these claims.

Also, I wonder if they really are so ignorant and uneducated, and their meetings so filled with mindless hate; why do they fear them so much? I mean in order to dedicate so much time to attack something one must have a good reason for it.. And the only good reason I can imagine must have some sort of fear involved... Fear of dissent, fear of racial hatred, fear of crazy uneducated folk with guns, fear of something... And if it is fear, why all the fear?

Indeed what is to fear in groups of so-called uneducated folk venting? They have guns? Well so do the cops and the cops will be legally in their right to shoot them if they become dangerous. The fear of racial hatred? Well then why don't we arrest all the KKK or white supremest groups? maybe the fear of spreading stupidity? Well if its so stupid why would it spread? According to the left media, it is so ignorant and only serves the side of hatred and only an idiot would follow it... So if we are not all idiots, and we can easily see how ignorant it is, why all the bother and press time?

Its simple really, I think Louis Farrakhan is an idiot and only morons would follow him, so I don't pay attention to him. Problem solved and no fear at all... Sure he has some followers, but I do not fear them because I know they are limited by laws and have at least enough sense to know what they can get away with. So why do the media and so many left leaning people dedicate so much of their time on them?

The answer to that is simple... The tea party movement represents something government and left minded governments fear the most... Free thought... All things start with a thought, and from that thought can grow more critical thinking and then questions arise. Questions that no one who isn't thinking freely will ever ask. Then those freethinkers will gather and exchange information and share knowledge, ask questions and get answers. This gathering and exchange will be free of the media spin and biased political party nonsense. And without that spin, real knowledge and critical thought will empower those people.

If left alone this movement will allow left, right and center minded people to exchange ideas and talk without the media enhanced left vs right haze, without the absolutism of placating and throw away political ideologies, and without someone telling them how bad their neighbor is.... Soon that neighbor will no longer be left or right, but simply a neighbor just like themselves with many of the same fears and concerns..

This is the fear to end all fears of any government drunk with power, and desiring nothing more than their own well being. Look throughout history and see what exactly what I am talking about. Before the media became so powerful a political tool; before Hitler and so many since. Look and you will find free thought started revolutions that lead to the greatest changes in the world.

Right now the left has power hear in this country. But watch and when the right has power, see how they change their stance on the tea party movement... They will vilify them and say they were okay before the lefty socialists took it over, and any other excuse or reason they can find. They will fear them just as the left does now, but right now they serve a purpose for them. So they applaud them quietly and condemn the extreme examples.

In my opinion, the tea party movement could be the foundations of the next big national change, or even world change. Sure some of the bad elements may try and move in on it, but they will not live long amongst free thinkers. Those types never do. They hide in the shadows and prey on the weak. And people desiring to exchange directly with each other rather than accepting what they are told by media or politicians are not weak..

Perhaps the next time any of you condemn this movement off hand, you will take a closer look and realize these are possibly the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins of this era....

for the past 20 years double digit IQ conservatives, speared on by the misinformation, fear tactics and lies of unscrupulous (or deranged) conservative spinmeisters (like limbaugh, savage, oreilly, beck, coulter, malkin etc) ANGRILY shouted
a. democrats are EVIL
b. republicans are GOOD!
c. America is a CHRISTIAN NATION
d. we are taking OUR country back!
e. there's another civil war coming!
f. we have guns and we are NOT afraid to use them on liberals and democrats!

and generally proclaiming that THEY were REPUBLICANS because they were the defenders of FREEDOM even though there were so MANY freedoms that really pissed them off;

gay marriage
gay rights
divorce
sex outside of marriage
pot smoking
atheism
evolution


in the last few years these simpleminded deranged loons finally realized that the republican party isn't any better than the democratic party

NOW they denounce the republican party
and they have gravitated to a new party...
the tea party
a party that is being spearheaded by right wing ultra conservative CHRISTIANS like...beck
and limbaugh

and they proclaim "we are the DEFENDERS of FREEDOM!"
even though there are still so many freedoms that really piss them off....

most tea baggers are simpleminded and angry dupes for the SHILLS who lie to them about being defenders of freedom while their REAL agenda is to make America a christian nation and finally do something about the things they REALLY hate...;

liberals
feminists
homosexuals
evolution
pot smokers
divorce
pre-marital sex

prominent tea baggers (like chuck norris) continue to say things like..."we are ANGRY....we are taking OUR COUNTRY BACK...by ANY MEANS NECESSARY...we have GUNS and we WILL USE THEM!...."

hardly the words of peaceful freedom lovers....

no doubt you are one of the ones easily duped by these nefarious liars....

not me.....

YOU just recite every hair brained, ignorant, misleading, and twisted agenda driven talking point mentioned on the liberal media like a talking head, and then try and make a claim like that about me? LOL, thanks for proving my point....

Notice my post even spoke ill of the right in it? no of course not.... look at the bold print.... Notice that? Yeah funny how you can't see that when you think based on your political party...

One more for the "I cant be bothered to read the OP, it didn't support my party view" bin..... I refer you to the previous post imbecile......

 

[midcan5]

"Why the tea party movement is so frightening."

I've already answered this question, and I do not think the tea party frightening, I find them simply hypocritical. Had they started when Bush destroyed the economy I could take them serious. There is no thought in their whining over a new president of a party they disagree with. Nor is there any idea of freedom in criticism of democratic political outcomes.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/tea-party/116607-would-the-tea-party-exist.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/tea-party/114928-tea-party-and-sympathizers-please-read.html

I have not condemned the party of Bush in an offhand manner.
They have earned my disrespect.

Well put, they whine because they have lost power plain and simple, as nothing has changed with Obama who is at best a moderate, at worst, another kinder and gentler and smarter Bush. lol

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"Why the tea party movement is so frightening."

I've already answered this question, and I do not think the tea party frightening, I find them simply hypocritical. Had they started when Bush destroyed the economy I could take them serious. There is no thought in their whining over a new president of a party they disagree with. Nor is there any idea of freedom in criticism of democratic political outcomes.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/tea-party/116607-would-the-tea-party-exist.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/tea-party/114928-tea-party-and-sympathizers-please-read.html

I have not condemned the party of Bush in an offhand manner.
They have earned my disrespect.

Well put, they whine because they have lost power plain and simple, as nothing has changed with Obama who is at best a moderate, at worst, another kinder and gentler and smarter Bush. lol

Another false generalization....this generalization sounds as ignorant as me saying you must like watermelon.

 

[bodecea]

Everyday I see a knew article in the news or a new post here on USMB regarding the tea party, partiers, whatever. I have noticed something very strange.... I see very little positive threads started on them, and far too many negative ones. of all the negative ones I have seen, the most of them are decidedly left sided, and prone to exaggerations, misleading claims, and outright lies about what they are doing or represent....

1. Actually, I've seen about half and half...but can you give us a ball park figure as to what ratio of positive vs. negative articles/posts/threads you've seen?



2. Most of the time? Really?



3. Why would there be?



4. I believe there are. As there are at pretty much all group events, assemblies.



5. Why are they walking around free? Maybe because we have the 1st Amendment's freedom of assembly? Are you saying that in our country, assembled protestors are arrested?




6. Fear? Seriously?



7. Attack? There's been an attack? Now THAT does need the police involved.



8. People are always afraid of the new, the different...especially if it isn't their choice (i.e. vote) Do you think maybe there's enough fear on both sides? Would you say the tea party protest assemblies also have their share of fear?




9. Really? People with guns are to be shot on sight? Has that happened yet? If so, where?



10. Because this is America, maybe?



11. Are you suggesting it would be more appropriate for the press to IGNORE large gatherings of people? I would think it would be somewhat newsworthy.



12. If you ignore him, how do you even know who he is and what his stand is on issues?



13. No, that's covering your ears, closing your eyes and yelling "la la la la"



14. Maybe because he hasn't been running any large protest assemblies lately. There was ample coverage during his "Million Man March", was there not? Was that coverage based on fear too?



15. And where was that "free thought" during the last Administration?



16. And where were all those freethinkers during the last Administration?



17. That would be nice.



18. I'm puzzled by what you mean by "left alone." Has anyone tried to STOP this movement? Anyone arrested? detained? harassed by the authorities? Could you clarify what you mean by "If left alone"?



Are you saying that the Tea Party is going to start a revolution?



And a few years ago, the Right had power in this country....were they better? Was there less spending? Less government intrusion? If not, where was the Tea Party then?



A distinct possibility...or else the Right will take over the Tea Party image from within and twist its stance.



Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps the next time any of you condemn this movement off hand, you will take a closer look and realize these are possibly the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins of this era....

Hyperbole. I get it.

Bode, this is the one and only time i will quote ignorant childish quoting each sentence enough to comment on it.....

If YOU want me to take your response seriously then act like it and don't try and be as annoying as possible with this kind of crap...

I will not comment on every single sentence.. its asinine and from reading it , it is repetitive, often making false claims what the OP stated, and childish to quote each line like an idiot.....

I covered your OP point by point...apparently you do not want serious discourse even tho you said you do. Color me surprised. You didn't want to be taken seriously at all.

 

[Old Rocks]

If the Teabaggers had come into existance when Bush started his wars off the books, and defunding government by giving the wealthy huge tax breaks, I could respect them. As it is, they only showed up when a Democratic President was attempting to stave off the Second Great Republican Depression.

Then you look at the signs they carry in some of their rallies! Birthers, people that say things like "Keep Government out of our Medicare".

While I find observing the Teabaggers to be a great source of humor, I find no serious message in their antics. Mostly resentment, racial and economic. Nothing there to respect at all.

 

[Immanuel]

If you think the OP was not highly politically slanted then Fox has surely warped your mind.

from my OP near the end.....

Right now the left has power hear in this country. But watch and when the right has power, see how they change their stance on the tea party movement... They will vilify them and say they were okay before the lefty socialists took it over, and any other excuse or reason they can find. They will fear them just as the left does now, but right now they serve a purpose for them. So they applaud them quietly and condemn the extreme examples.

yeah sure looks like I picked a side there buddy..... yeah.... So ya didn't read it like I said.. Thanks for showing you are dishonest as well.....

Now if you have nothing else but trolling I will go about my evening....

I happen to disagree with you about the way the TP would react if the right were in charge. I am not a tea partier although I agree with much of what I have read that they have supported, but I can not get passed the realization that every time I read or hear something from the group, they are supporting the Republican Party. To me, it seems like nothing more than an arm of the Republican Party, much like say... and I hate to mention this because I used to be a big fan of Dr. Dobson, but Focus on the Family or the Christian Coalition.

Immie

 

[gslack]

1. Actually, I've seen about half and half...but can you give us a ball park figure as to what ratio of positive vs. negative articles/posts/threads you've seen?



2. Most of the time? Really?



3. Why would there be?



4. I believe there are. As there are at pretty much all group events, assemblies.



5. Why are they walking around free? Maybe because we have the 1st Amendment's freedom of assembly? Are you saying that in our country, assembled protestors are arrested?




6. Fear? Seriously?



7. Attack? There's been an attack? Now THAT does need the police involved.



8. People are always afraid of the new, the different...especially if it isn't their choice (i.e. vote) Do you think maybe there's enough fear on both sides? Would you say the tea party protest assemblies also have their share of fear?




9. Really? People with guns are to be shot on sight? Has that happened yet? If so, where?



10. Because this is America, maybe?



11. Are you suggesting it would be more appropriate for the press to IGNORE large gatherings of people? I would think it would be somewhat newsworthy.



12. If you ignore him, how do you even know who he is and what his stand is on issues?



13. No, that's covering your ears, closing your eyes and yelling "la la la la"



14. Maybe because he hasn't been running any large protest assemblies lately. There was ample coverage during his "Million Man March", was there not? Was that coverage based on fear too?



15. And where was that "free thought" during the last Administration?



16. And where were all those freethinkers during the last Administration?



17. That would be nice.



18. I'm puzzled by what you mean by "left alone." Has anyone tried to STOP this movement? Anyone arrested? detained? harassed by the authorities? Could you clarify what you mean by "If left alone"?



Are you saying that the Tea Party is going to start a revolution?



And a few years ago, the Right had power in this country....were they better? Was there less spending? Less government intrusion? If not, where was the Tea Party then?



A distinct possibility...or else the Right will take over the Tea Party image from within and twist its stance.



Maybe, maybe not.



Hyperbole. I get it.

Bode, this is the one and only time i will quote ignorant childish quoting each sentence enough to comment on it.....

If YOU want me to take your response seriously then act like it and don't try and be as annoying as possible with this kind of crap...

I will not comment on every single sentence.. its asinine and from reading it , it is repetitive, often making false claims what the OP stated, and childish to quote each line like an idiot.....

I covered your OP point by point...apparently you do not want serious discourse even tho you said you do. Color me surprised. You didn't want to be taken seriously at all.

Well then why the ridiculous quoting nearly every single line? Your one post took up nearly the page. You couldn't have condensed some of that?

Whats more some of the points you made were things like "Maybe, maybe not." and crap like that... WTF??... Bullshit Bode you were being asinine and a deliberate shit... And from reading your responses, we can see you had no intention of actually debating or giving your thoughts; you just wanted to call it right wing garbage and shout it down with a ridiculous post...

A serious response wouldn't have been separating every line like that...

 

[gslack]

If you think the OP was not highly politically slanted then Fox has surely warped your mind.

from my OP near the end.....

Right now the left has power hear in this country. But watch and when the right has power, see how they change their stance on the tea party movement... They will vilify them and say they were okay before the lefty socialists took it over, and any other excuse or reason they can find. They will fear them just as the left does now, but right now they serve a purpose for them. So they applaud them quietly and condemn the extreme examples.

yeah sure looks like I picked a side there buddy..... yeah.... So ya didn't read it like I said.. Thanks for showing you are dishonest as well.....

Now if you have nothing else but trolling I will go about my evening....

I happen to disagree with you about the way the TP would react if the right were in charge. I am not a tea partier although I agree with much of what I have read that they have supported, but I can not get passed the realization that every time I read or hear something from the group, they are supporting the Republican Party. To me, it seems like nothing more than an arm of the Republican Party, much like say... and I hate to mention this because I used to be a big fan of Dr. Dobson, but Focus on the Family or the Christian Coalition.

Immie

One of the main points in my OP was the way the media portrays the Tea party movement... So if you get most of your news from MSM, it furthers my assertions.

If you go to Rush or Hannity they will most likely make them sound like perfect angels right now, after all they are in opposition to Obama a lot. And if you listen to Olberman you will hear how they are all racists and vile, because they disagree with the powers that be(his party). This is classic "enemy of my enemy is my friend" opportunistic logic and very little of it is based in reality.

Again if the roles were reversed we would see a reversal in who supports and who condemns them. Which reasserts my OP....

 

[Sarah G]

I will wait for someone who actually read the post and has a reasonable, thoughtful response....

I don't fear them, they've yet to do anything positive for this country, the country they claim to want to take back.

They need more credible leadership and spokespeople who can communicate well with a bigger tent in mind. To me, they're just more of the same. Angry religious righters with no focus other than to spread hate far and wide.

 

[gslack]

I will wait for someone who actually read the post and has a reasonable, thoughtful response....

I don't fear them, they've yet to do anything positive for this country, the country they claim to want to take back.

They need more credible leadership and spokespeople who can communicate well with a bigger tent in mind. To me, they're just more of the same. Angry religious righters with no focus other than to spread hate far and wide.

Well, is that based on what you know from experience, or from what the media told you?

I live right next to my county fairgrounds. Literally I am right across the street. We have had 2 Tea partys there this past year and at the first one, there was virtually no noise at all. In fact there was no evidence that anything was going on to anyone not already aware of it. No signs, no racist groups or hate speak at all. Couldn't have been more than a couple hundred people there all day. Not one time did the noise bother me and I was having a family barbecue that day.

The second one had a few more turn out but again the same results.. No hate groups or racial slurs, no signs, nothing at all like what the media describes.

Yet when the Cleveland news channel reported on them that evening they told an entirely different story. They made sure there was the "feeling" of racism and hatred. They said the police were on hand to control the situation... There were no police there. The security guard was a sheriff's Dept. retiree/volunteer who is always there... Also they showed ictures of people holding signs with racial remarks on them, and non of that was true at all... Matter of fact the town our fairgrounds is in, has a rather large black community. Our school board has more black members than white. our population here in the actual city is actually very near 50/50 black and white.

This was a deliberate misleading account of both those tea parties...

 

[Sarah G]

I will wait for someone who actually read the post and has a reasonable, thoughtful response....

I don't fear them, they've yet to do anything positive for this country, the country they claim to want to take back.

They need more credible leadership and spokespeople who can communicate well with a bigger tent in mind. To me, they're just more of the same. Angry religious righters with no focus other than to spread hate far and wide.

Well, is that based on what you know from experience, or from what the media told you?

I live right next to my county fairgrounds. Literally I am right across the street. We have had 2 Tea partys there this past year and at the first one, there was virtually no noise at all. In fact there was no evidence that anything was going on to anyone not already aware of it. No signs, no racist groups or hate speak at all. Couldn't have been more than a couple hundred people there all day. Not one time did the noise bother me and I was having a family barbecue that day.

The second one had a few more turn out but again the same results.. No hate groups or racial slurs, no signs, nothing at all like what the media describes.

Yet when the Cleveland news channel reported on them that evening they told an entirely different story. They made sure there was the "feeling" of racism and hatred. They said the police were on hand to control the situation... There were no police there. The security guard was a sheriff's Dept. retiree/volunteer who is always there... Also they showed ictures of people holding signs with racial remarks on them, and non of that was true at all... Matter of fact the town our fairgrounds is in, has a rather large black community. Our school board has more black members than white. our population here in the actual city is actually very near 50/50 black and white.

This was a deliberate misleading account of both those tea parties...

Stop blaming the media for teparty failure to get their message out. They're the ones who are allowing Bachman and Palin to take over. Extreme religious righters.

You seem very whiney and unfocused. Explain their simple minded leadership and their inability to get the "true" teaparty message out. You can't other than to blame the media the reason? They are simply what we the people see them as. Hate, ignorance and intolerance. Nothing more.

Crybaby.

 

[gslack]

I don't fear them, they've yet to do anything positive for this country, the country they claim to want to take back.

They need more credible leadership and spokespeople who can communicate well with a bigger tent in mind. To me, they're just more of the same. Angry religious righters with no focus other than to spread hate far and wide.

Well, is that based on what you know from experience, or from what the media told you?

I live right next to my county fairgrounds. Literally I am right across the street. We have had 2 Tea partys there this past year and at the first one, there was virtually no noise at all. In fact there was no evidence that anything was going on to anyone not already aware of it. No signs, no racist groups or hate speak at all. Couldn't have been more than a couple hundred people there all day. Not one time did the noise bother me and I was having a family barbecue that day.

The second one had a few more turn out but again the same results.. No hate groups or racial slurs, no signs, nothing at all like what the media describes.

Yet when the Cleveland news channel reported on them that evening they told an entirely different story. They made sure there was the "feeling" of racism and hatred. They said the police were on hand to control the situation... There were no police there. The security guard was a sheriff's Dept. retiree/volunteer who is always there... Also they showed ictures of people holding signs with racial remarks on them, and non of that was true at all... Matter of fact the town our fairgrounds is in, has a rather large black community. Our school board has more black members than white. our population here in the actual city is actually very near 50/50 black and white.

This was a deliberate misleading account of both those tea parties...

Stop blaming the media for teparty failure to get their message out. They're the ones who are allowing Bachman and Palin to take over. Extreme religious righters.

You seem very whiney and unfocused. Explain their simple minded leadership and their inability to get the "true" teaparty message out. You can't other than to blame the media the reason? They are simply what we the people see them as. Hate, ignorance and intolerance. Nothing more.

Crybaby.

WTH?????

I didn't cry nor did I insult you at all!!!!!! Please point to where ANY of this happened in my post..... I was respectful and gave a legitimate example based on personal experience, and asked you respectfully if your opinion was based on what you know from experience or from what you are told by the media...

Fact: Palin does not run the tea party, nor does any other candidate...

Your response to my question, and immediate claim of sarah palin (known idiot and opportunistic press whore) shows exactly where you get your information on this from....

THe only crying that went on was YOU in the last post.... I showed my personal experience regarding this and asked on yours, and you resorted to being dismissive and generalizing tea party(ers) to palin and bachman supporters, and insulting me...

Once again you make my OP all the more clear....

 

[Sarah G]

Well, is that based on what you know from experience, or from what the media told you?

I live right next to my county fairgrounds. Literally I am right across the street. We have had 2 Tea partys there this past year and at the first one, there was virtually no noise at all. In fact there was no evidence that anything was going on to anyone not already aware of it. No signs, no racist groups or hate speak at all. Couldn't have been more than a couple hundred people there all day. Not one time did the noise bother me and I was having a family barbecue that day.

The second one had a few more turn out but again the same results.. No hate groups or racial slurs, no signs, nothing at all like what the media describes.

Yet when the Cleveland news channel reported on them that evening they told an entirely different story. They made sure there was the "feeling" of racism and hatred. They said the police were on hand to control the situation... There were no police there. The security guard was a sheriff's Dept. retiree/volunteer who is always there... Also they showed ictures of people holding signs with racial remarks on them, and non of that was true at all... Matter of fact the town our fairgrounds is in, has a rather large black community. Our school board has more black members than white. our population here in the actual city is actually very near 50/50 black and white.

This was a deliberate misleading account of both those tea parties...

Stop blaming the media for teparty failure to get their message out. They're the ones who are allowing Bachman and Palin to take over. Extreme religious righters.

You seem very whiney and unfocused. Explain their simple minded leadership and their inability to get the "true" teaparty message out. You can't other than to blame the media the reason? They are simply what we the people see them as. Hate, ignorance and intolerance. Nothing more.

Crybaby.

WTH?????

I didn't cry nor did I insult you at all!!!!!! Please point to where ANY of this happened in my post..... I was respectful and gave a legitimate example based on personal experience, and asked you respectfully if your opinion was based on what you know from experience or from what you are told by the media...

Fact: Palin does not run the tea party, nor does any other candidate...

Your response to my question, and immediate claim of sarah palin (known idiot and opportunistic press whore) shows exactly where you get your information on this from....

THe only crying that went on was YOU in the last post.... I showed my personal experience regarding this and asked on yours, and you resorted to being dismissive and generalizing tea party(ers) to palin and bachman supporters, and insulting me...

Once again you make my OP all the more clear....

Of course. The only correct opinion is yours, in your own mind.

You've been blaming the media with every post. The teapartiers are protesting around the country and the press is taking pics of the people and their signs, they're yelling and taunting, they are not peaceful protests. They're haters alright.

 

[editec]

You wish the tea party was "so frightening", I suspect.

It isn't.

It is a healthy expression of the discontent felt by a lot of Americans.

While I think they're mostly wrong in how to solve the problems we're all facing, I applaude them for finally getting off their asses to petition their government.

 

[AllieBaba]

If the Teabaggers had come into existance when Bush started his wars off the books, and defunding government by giving the wealthy huge tax breaks, I could respect them. As it is, they only showed up when a Democratic President was attempting to stave off the Second Great Republican Depression.

Then you look at the signs they carry in some of their rallies! Birthers, people that say things like "Keep Government out of our Medicare".

While I find observing the Teabaggers to be a great source of humor, I find no serious message in their antics. Mostly resentment, racial and economic. Nothing there to respect at all.

Your democratic piece of shit president has done more to sink us into depression than any one person in the history of the country. Nothing there to respect at all.

 

[AllieBaba]

Stop blaming the media for teparty failure to get their message out. They're the ones who are allowing Bachman and Palin to take over. Extreme religious righters.

You seem very whiney and unfocused. Explain their simple minded leadership and their inability to get the "true" teaparty message out. You can't other than to blame the media the reason? They are simply what we the people see them as. Hate, ignorance and intolerance. Nothing more.

Crybaby.

WTH?????

I didn't cry nor did I insult you at all!!!!!! Please point to where ANY of this happened in my post..... I was respectful and gave a legitimate example based on personal experience, and asked you respectfully if your opinion was based on what you know from experience or from what you are told by the media...

Fact: Palin does not run the tea party, nor does any other candidate...

Your response to my question, and immediate claim of sarah palin (known idiot and opportunistic press whore) shows exactly where you get your information on this from....

THe only crying that went on was YOU in the last post.... I showed my personal experience regarding this and asked on yours, and you resorted to being dismissive and generalizing tea party(ers) to palin and bachman supporters, and insulting me...

Once again you make my OP all the more clear....

Of course. The only correct opinion is yours, in your own mind.

You've been blaming the media with every post. The teapartiers are protesting around the country and the press is taking pics of the people and their signs, they're yelling and taunting, they are not peaceful protests. They're haters alright.

I continue to be amazed at the stupidity of people.

They are peaceful protests. Apparently you don't know what violence is, having been protected all your life by people who do know.

The only violence at tea party demonstrations has been violence by the left, aimed at the protesters.

 

[code1211]

I read the OP. I made a reasonable thoughtful response.
Sorry it does not agree with your definition of a reasonable and thoughtful response.

As I understand the TEA Party, they would not have supported the policies of Bush. IF you read the OP and you understand anything of politics beyond labels, you would not have made the response you made to the OP.

 

[AllieBaba]

The tea partiers are scary because they protest tyranny and carry pocket Constitutions...


OOOooooooooo....SCARY!