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No... repubs were generally the party of rich people. This whole "social conservative" thing, that ultimately contributed to the party's failure, was never part of the mix.
You think belonging to unions makes police officers more efficient and keeps us safer?
Do you live in an alternate universe?
No... repubs were generally the party of rich people. This whole "social conservative" thing, that ultimately contributed to the party's failure, was never part of the mix.
I agree that the "Social Conservative" thing is relatively recent. Carter got them in the 1976 election and Reagan in the 1980 election.
That is the end of our agreement however. The Repubs could not be made up of "Rich" people at any point in history. The numbers just don't add up. Even today if you accept the standard breakdown that 33% are Repubs, 36% or so are Dems and the rest are Independents, then your theory cannot be correct, because 33% of the people in this country are not "rich."
In previous days, when party identity was much higher and fewer people were "independent" there were as many as 40%+ that identified as Republicans. Clearly, 40%+ were never "rich."
So, don't start believing the Dem class warfare bullshit. It is for the consumption of the masses, not people who actually know something about this shit. It's just another simple attempt to take advantage of the ignorance of most people about things political in order to control them.
The Repubs could not be made up of "Rich" people at any point in history. The numbers just don't add up.
Right, they've always been the party of the Wall Street Tycoons. To some extent, the DLC democrats have emulated them.
The GOP was only able to become a majority party by using social conservatives and exploing race and gender wedge issues.
That's why you'll never see the GOP throw the religious rightwing under the bus. They can't win without them.
The GOP is not doomed because the American voter is really stupid. They'll see Obama fix all the mistakes the GOP created, and it will no doubt cost money, which means raising taxes, and the GOP will run on a "lower taxes" platform, and they will win.
Or they'll forget that CEO's were part of the problem and they will vote in Mitt Romney because he was a CEO. What are the chances that he as a former CEO would tackle excessive CEO pay? Slim you say? Yet people will view him being a CEO as a plus when they considered John edwards being a lawyer who helps victims as a negative. Go figure.
And the GOP should never have more than 25% of the seats in Washington anyways. They only represent about 10% of the population if you only consider economics. The other 15% comes from the south where Republicans win on god, gays and guns.
All that does is point out that rich people vote Republican. But the majority of Republican voters are NOT rich, and the majority of Dem voters are higher income than the Republican base.
So the comment the Republican party is the party of rich people is misleading.
That's fine except 2/3s of Wall Street bankers are Dems,
as are most "professionals" Doctors, Lawyers, College Professors etc. But, don't let the truth stand in the way of your point.
I don't think any one ever implied that the republican base was "mostly rich people". That's just stupid.
The rich are an exceedingly small minority in this country. A few hundred thousand at most. We are one of the most economically stratified countries in the developed world, with a few thousand people holding most of the wealth.
What we're saying, and what if factually accurate, is that the GOP represents the interests of wealth, capital, and corporations.
While they were distracting you with talk of affirmative action and abortion, they shipped our industrial base overseas along with our jobs, the gave massive tax cuts to the rich investor class, and they created thousands of loopholes in the tax code to enable the rich to reduce their tax burden.
And yes, there were democratic enablers to this fucked up "lassaize faire' return to robber barron capitalism. But, its fundamentally a core GOP interest.
Link???
College professors aren't rich.
And i agree, people who go into professions for the betterment of society like education, science, and medicine are probably more liberal. Its a liberal value to collectively want to help and contribute to people and society as a whole.
Republicans are more in it for themselves. That's why businessmen and bankers trend republican.
Link???
College professors aren't rich.
And i agree, people who go into professions for the betterment of society like education, science, and medicine are probably more liberal. Its a liberal value to collectively want to help and contribute to people and society as a whole.
Republicans are more in it for themselves. That's why businessmen and bankers trend republican.
Rather here is the reason Republicans are faltering is:
(1) George W Bush
(2) George W Bush
(3) George W Bush
(4) Alienation of Largest growing segment of US population - the Latinos. Yes the Republicans are taking a justifiable stance against illegal immigration and border protection. However, I believe Latinos make up 25% of the population and they get turned off on illegal immigration and border protect talks.
(5) The hardcore anti-gay marriage and prolife stance turns off young people. Along with other things.
(6) They have never done good with attracting blacks.
(7) The unpopularity of the Iraq war
(8) The current private healthcare system in America is failing! The service provided is the best in the world, but paying for it is horrendous! The uninsured and over-insured is ever increasing. Even people with insurance get saddled with co-pays that are devastating! Idiots like Hannity and Rush still stick to their guns that its the best healthcare system in the world and not to change a thing. That will never be adequate explanation for the lower and middle class who have 1 vote just like them.
(9) The Clinton surplus and relatively nice economy vs Bush and the record deficit and well perhaps a depression!
(10) Did I mention GWB
(11) The increased hatred of the US abroad under GWB
Need I say more.
I will be honest if by 2012 the economy is looking up, I will definitely jump ship and put in a vote for Obama!
Bullshit. THey're more liberal because they've been brainwashed by the liberal thought factories that are our universities.
The ones who can think for themselves tend to be Republicans, and coincidentally make more money to better contribute to society...while the college liberals sit around on their asses green with envy and hate.
There policies benifit the rich, that is why they throw in the christian right bent to come close to winning elections, then they cheat the rest of the way to win.
Its over now though, Obama proved they cant cheat enough to win anymore.