Why The LEFT LOVES The Government Health Industry Take Over...

[WillowTree]

Please prove this is a government takeover of health care?

If it isn't why is the IRS going to be involved? doyathink?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

WHY is this thread posted in 'Politics'? It belongs on the 'Conspiracy Theories' board...

Wake up! We are actually experiencing nothing more than a socialist power grab. Either you are in a dreamworld or you need to educate yourself....try reading The Road To Serfdom by Hayek...before the book gets banned...

Hayek wrote this book in 1944 as a defense of 19th century liberal ideals, which were far different from the liberal ideals of the 20th century. The ideal of individual liberty - the belief that each individual should be free to pursue his own destiny within his own narrow sphere - is viewed and defended as one of the greatest achievements of Western civilization. This great accomplishment, Hayek warned, is incompatible with socialism. Individual liberty must be destroyed wherever socialism exists.

He believed that the Anglo Saxon democracies, by pursuing the chimera of economic security and equality that socialism promised, were treading the same path to serfdom as had Germany and Italy after WW-I.

In place of individual liberty, socialism offers security. It promises protection from personal economic necessities and restraints, and an equality of economic well being.

From his perspective, as a native of Central Europe who had experienced the rise of fascism and communism throughout Europe, Hayek concluded that fascism and communism were not opposites, but very similar creeds based on autocratic socialism. Their goals of "social welfare," "the good of the community," "social justice," and "fairness," are open ended and provide no real guidance as to what is and is not desirable or required of the system. Their ideological goals justify authoritarian means, and the practical requirements of complex central planning require extensive arbitrary and discretionary powers.

Ultimately, with all freedoms compromised, socialism offers only "the security of the barracks."

Collectivism justifies any means to achieve its great ends. Any expediency is justified, no matter how it may affect individuals or small groups, for the benefit of the whole. The "greater goal" justifies even horrific means.

The Road to Serfdom

You don't even know what socialism is you fucking idiot...there's plenty of socialism in America...it's called a subsidized market... socialism and welfare for corporations. We, the people must deal with a 'free' market...free to steal and plunder the masses and have us PAY to clean up their mess...

Grow a BRAIN...

You bet there's plenty of socialism in America already.....it's been creeping in steadily via the progressives....today's power grab of 1/6th of the economy via "healthcare" is, however, a major move.....which may seal our fate....

 

[trobinett]

Our fate was sealed when Obama became President.

 

[Truthmatters]

When this bill passes and all the LIES the right has proffered never materialize your party will be bankrupt.

You see when you crash an economy and mire the country in costly wars that produce nothing but death and bills for the american people and then you try the path of obstruction and lies to win back the trust of the American people you fuck yourself.

You have time and time proven that the republucan leadership has nothing to offer the American people but death, fear and deficits.

Now you will be remembered in the American publics mind as liars.

This bill will not supply the distruction of the US as you had hoped.

What is your next step?

What will you say to the american people when all this doom and gloom doesnt happen?


Have you even thought about that?

 

[asaratis]

WHY is this thread posted in 'Politics'? It belongs on the 'Conspiracy Theories' board...

Maybe you're right. All threads about Pelosi,Obama,Reid and the push for control of health care belong in the conspiracy forum. They are conspiring to steal our freedom and trash the Constitution.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The American Left has no respect for human life, not even their own. Basically, they are life's Biggest losers

They gave up even trying so they want to have the Government in control. This way they don't have to confront their failure on a 24/7 basis.

Some turn to drugs, other turn to government. It's just a different addictive behavior.

 

[WillowTree]

well, the phone calls pouring into DC don't seem to be favoring the asswipes..

 

[WillowTree]

The American Left has no respect for human life, not even their own. Basically, they are life's Biggest losers

They gave up even trying so they want to have the Government in control. This way they don't have to confront their failure on a 24/7 basis.

Some turn to drugs, other turn to government. It's just a different addictive behavior.

but you know as well as I do Frank,, they can never stifle voices of freedom, it's going to take more than what they have to stifle the voices of freedom.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When this bill passes and all the LIES the right has proffered never materialize your party will be bankrupt.

You see when you crash an economy and mire the country in costly wars that produce nothing but death and bills for the american people and then you try the path of obstruction and lies to win back the trust of the American people you fuck yourself.

You have time and time proven that the republucan leadership has nothing to offer the American people but death, fear and deficits.

Now you will be remembered in the American publics mind as liars.

This bill will not supply the distruction of the US as you had hoped.

What is your next step?

What will you say to the american people when all this doom and gloom doesnt happen?


Have you even thought about that?

I'm going to invest my 3,000% saving in Berkshire Hathaway

 

[Bfgrn]

Wake up! We are actually experiencing nothing more than a socialist power grab. Either you are in a dreamworld or you need to educate yourself....try reading The Road To Serfdom by Hayek...before the book gets banned...

You don't even know what socialism is you fucking idiot...there's plenty of socialism in America...it's called a subsidized market... socialism and welfare for corporations. We, the people must deal with a 'free' market...free to steal and plunder the masses and have us PAY to clean up their mess...

Grow a BRAIN...

Like Government isn't the silent partner behind the monopolies, and subsidies you stupid fuck. The left brought most of the socialist aspects into the system in the first place. Never could grasp the concept of private property, that wasn't yours in the first place, fuck wad.

Hey pea brain...WHAT planet do you slither around on? You can't call the left 'socialists' and then blame them for Crony Capitalism...The Right and the Republican party is the party of corporations and the oligarch. The GOP is owned lock, stock and barrel by corporations. They even had corporate lawyers write legislation and the 'elected' representatives proposed it as Bills on the floor of the House and Senate.

You don't grasp the concept of 'the commons'... NO ONE owns the water we drink, the air we breathe, the fish we eat or the environment...

And you are oblivious to how much it costs We, the People...

....

Ralph Estes examined the extent of this cost externalization in the case of U.S. corporations. Factoring in workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, and many others, Estes found that external costs to U.S. taxpayers totaled $3.5 trillion in 1995-four times higher than the profits of U.S. corporations that year ($822 billion). This sort of externalization toll is routinely evident in hazy skies, injured consumers, and impoverished workers in the United States and elsewhere.

According to a 2004 report released by U.S. Representative George Miller, one 200-employee Wal-Mart store may cost federal taxpayers $420,000 per year because of the need for federal aid (such as housing assistance, tax credits, and health insurance assistance) for Wal-Mart's low-wage employees. Moreover, many corporations fill their labor needs offshore in order to exploit unorganized workers in low-cost and politically friendly countries. Over 40 million people now work in export-processing or "free trade" zones. These areas, often exempt from national legislation, allow manufacturers to demand long hours, pay lower wages, and ignore health and safety regulations.

Corporations have achieved considerable freedom to act in ways that harm the host on which they depend. They have done so primarily by means of regulatory capture, the redesign of societal laws by vested interests for their preferential benefit. This is not new; corporations have always sought to influence lawmakers. TNCs' current levels of power, money, and freedom are unprecedented, however, and regulatory capture has become widespread. The results can be seen in the scores of laws and court rulings that now protect corporations' right to profit, right to pollute, right to patent intellectual property-at the expense of citizens, farmers, workers, consumers, communities, and indigenous peoples. As U.S. President Rutherford B. Hayes once remarked, "This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations." That was in 1884; it's truer now than ever.
When Good Corporations Go Bad | Worldwatch Institute

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You don't even know what socialism is you fucking idiot...there's plenty of socialism in America...it's called a subsidized market... socialism and welfare for corporations. We, the people must deal with a 'free' market...free to steal and plunder the masses and have us PAY to clean up their mess...

Grow a BRAIN...

Like Government isn't the silent partner behind the monopolies, and subsidies you stupid fuck. The left brought most of the socialist aspects into the system in the first place. Never could grasp the concept of private property, that wasn't yours in the first place, fuck wad.

Hey pea brain...WHAT planet do you slither around on? You can't call the left 'socialists' and then blame them for Crony Capitalism...The Right and the Republican party is the party of corporations and the oligarch. The GOP is owned lock, stock and barrel by corporations. They even had corporate lawyers write legislation and the 'elected' representatives proposed it as Bills on the floor of the House and Senate.

You don't grasp the concept of 'the commons'... NO ONE owns the water we drink, the air we breathe, the fish we eat or the environment...

And you are oblivious to how much it costs We, the People...

....

Ralph Estes examined the extent of this cost externalization in the case of U.S. corporations. Factoring in workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, and many others, Estes found that external costs to U.S. taxpayers totaled $3.5 trillion in 1995-four times higher than the profits of U.S. corporations that year ($822 billion). This sort of externalization toll is routinely evident in hazy skies, injured consumers, and impoverished workers in the United States and elsewhere.

According to a 2004 report released by U.S. Representative George Miller, one 200-employee Wal-Mart store may cost federal taxpayers $420,000 per year because of the need for federal aid (such as housing assistance, tax credits, and health insurance assistance) for Wal-Mart's low-wage employees. Moreover, many corporations fill their labor needs offshore in order to exploit unorganized workers in low-cost and politically friendly countries. Over 40 million people now work in export-processing or "free trade" zones. These areas, often exempt from national legislation, allow manufacturers to demand long hours, pay lower wages, and ignore health and safety regulations.

Corporations have achieved considerable freedom to act in ways that harm the host on which they depend. They have done so primarily by means of regulatory capture, the redesign of societal laws by vested interests for their preferential benefit. This is not new; corporations have always sought to influence lawmakers. TNCs' current levels of power, money, and freedom are unprecedented, however, and regulatory capture has become widespread. The results can be seen in the scores of laws and court rulings that now protect corporations' right to profit, right to pollute, right to patent intellectual property-at the expense of citizens, farmers, workers, consumers, communities, and indigenous peoples. As U.S. President Rutherford B. Hayes once remarked, "This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations." That was in 1884; it's truer now than ever.
When Good Corporations Go Bad | Worldwatch Institute

I think Ralph Estes played the Alec Baldwin role in "Team:America" they sound so much alike

 

[007]

Please prove this is a government takeover of health care?

Holy freakin' shit man... yur really dumber'n a sack of pig shit.

 

[Intense]

You don't even know what socialism is you fucking idiot...there's plenty of socialism in America...it's called a subsidized market... socialism and welfare for corporations. We, the people must deal with a 'free' market...free to steal and plunder the masses and have us PAY to clean up their mess...

Grow a BRAIN...

Like Government isn't the silent partner behind the monopolies, and subsidies you stupid fuck. The left brought most of the socialist aspects into the system in the first place. Never could grasp the concept of private property, that wasn't yours in the first place, fuck wad.

Hey pea brain...WHAT planet do you slither around on? You can't call the left 'socialists' and then blame them for Crony Capitalism...The Right and the Republican party is the party of corporations and the oligarch. The GOP is owned lock, stock and barrel by corporations. They even had corporate lawyers write legislation and the 'elected' representatives proposed it as Bills on the floor of the House and Senate.

You don't grasp the concept of 'the commons'... NO ONE owns the water we drink, the air we breathe, the fish we eat or the environment...

And you are oblivious to how much it costs We, the People...

....

Ralph Estes examined the extent of this cost externalization in the case of U.S. corporations. Factoring in workplace injuries, medical care required by the failure of unsafe products, health costs from pollution, and many others, Estes found that external costs to U.S. taxpayers totaled $3.5 trillion in 1995-four times higher than the profits of U.S. corporations that year ($822 billion). This sort of externalization toll is routinely evident in hazy skies, injured consumers, and impoverished workers in the United States and elsewhere.

According to a 2004 report released by U.S. Representative George Miller, one 200-employee Wal-Mart store may cost federal taxpayers $420,000 per year because of the need for federal aid (such as housing assistance, tax credits, and health insurance assistance) for Wal-Mart's low-wage employees. Moreover, many corporations fill their labor needs offshore in order to exploit unorganized workers in low-cost and politically friendly countries. Over 40 million people now work in export-processing or "free trade" zones. These areas, often exempt from national legislation, allow manufacturers to demand long hours, pay lower wages, and ignore health and safety regulations.

Corporations have achieved considerable freedom to act in ways that harm the host on which they depend. They have done so primarily by means of regulatory capture, the redesign of societal laws by vested interests for their preferential benefit. This is not new; corporations have always sought to influence lawmakers. TNCs' current levels of power, money, and freedom are unprecedented, however, and regulatory capture has become widespread. The results can be seen in the scores of laws and court rulings that now protect corporations' right to profit, right to pollute, right to patent intellectual property-at the expense of citizens, farmers, workers, consumers, communities, and indigenous peoples. As U.S. President Rutherford B. Hayes once remarked, "This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations." That was in 1884; it's truer now than ever.
When Good Corporations Go Bad | Worldwatch Institute

Hey Fuck Wad, The Oligarchy controls both Parties, You stupid excuse for a Sack of Shit!!!
Stop encouraging the Keepers, and start looking for Representatives to support. Life, Liberty, Property, and The Pursuit of Happiness, get it! Good. Individual Liberty does matter, without it We are All Fucked. Wake The Fuck Up, Proletarian, The Government's hand in every pocket and around every neck is not the solution. Government control of every aspect of Our Lives cradle to grave, is not the Solution. Government is not God, and by decree is not the embodiment of Justice. At best Government can learn to Serve Justice. That is a full time job in itself, requiring constant evaluation and corrective response to even the problems the Government Itself creates. Continue on in Your Medicated Utopian Culture. Don't let Me aggravate You or interfere with Your Buzz.